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#3061581 - 05/27/09 10:02 AM Re: GUNS OF CROSSFIRE TRAIL [Re: shootinurse]
StubbleDuck Offline
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 Originally Posted By: shootinurse

Thanks for the link to that article.

After reading and researching a little more, I still think "Bo Dorn's" Crossfire rifle wasn't in .45/70.

The article that link goes to says the Remington-Keene was chambered in .45/70, but also the .43 Spanish cartidge and one other round I can't remember as I post this. Both of the latter rounds had creases in the casings, something "Dorn's" ammo didn't have.

I still think Dorn was using something like a .40-60 round in his rifle. The .45/70 is frequently almost as long as one's finger, but the round I saw in the Crossfire flick was much shorter than a .45/70 and more slender.

When googling cartridges, I came across a fellow making .40-60's from .40-65 brass. He was cutting off almost a 1/2 inch of the 40-65's case. For anyone interested!

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#3061761 - 05/27/09 11:26 AM Re: GUNS OF CROSSFIRE TRAIL [Re: StubbleDuck]
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The bullet looked like an 1mm Mauser to me, hence the question. jorge
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#3062151 - 05/27/09 02:25 PM Re: GUNS OF CROSSFIRE TRAIL [Re: jorgeI]
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 Originally Posted By: jorgeI
The bullet looked like an 1mm Mauser to me, hence the question. jorge

Do you mean the 11mm Mauser? I'll have to watch the flick again, but Dorn's round didn't have a "cannilure" in the [cartridge] casing like pics I've seen of of the 11mm and .43 Spanish cartidges.

Of course some might say knowing exactly what the cartridge was wasn't as important as learning that that rifle model was the Remington-Keene. But whatever, learning what little I have about Crossfire Trails firearms taught me much more than I previously knew!

Tom Selleck did, BTW, donated seven "movie guns" to the Buffalo Bill Museum in Cody, WY. Those guns included the ones he used in "Monte Walsh," "Quigley Down Under" and "Crossfire Trail."

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#3062168 - 05/27/09 02:35 PM Re: GUNS OF CROSSFIRE TRAIL [Re: StubbleDuck]
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sorry, I meant 11. I can't find good pictures of those old Mausers either to make a comparison. Alo might the rifle be a French Lebel (not the 8mm)? jorge
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#3356305 - 10/03/09 09:26 PM Re: GUNS OF CROSSFIRE TRAIL [Re: shootinurse]
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Beau Dorn's sniper rifle is a Remington Keene deluxe grade 'B' sporter chambered for .40-60 Marlin & Ballard. The majority of sporters were chambered in .45-70 Govt., such as the Remington keene used by actor James Wainwright(Mingo) in Clint Eastwood's movie Joe Kidd. I believe there is a .40-60 Remington Keene on display at NRA's national firearms museum (American Riflemen, April 1972).


Edited by 3dtestify (10/04/09 12:55 PM)

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#3356318 - 10/03/09 09:36 PM Re: GUNS OF CROSSFIRE TRAIL [Re: 3dtestify]
Gene L Offline
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The cannulure in the case was a crimp to hold the bullet in a tubular magazine, I'm thinking. Lots of original paper patched bullets for magazine rifles had that because they couldn't crimp the case mouth because of the paper.

I've got some 11 mm brass, it isn't cannulured, but the case head is funny-shaped. At any rate, they likely didn't use real bullets and real cases in the movie.

I think there must be a prop company in Hollywood that has that Remington Keene rifle; I've seen it before in the "Sons of Katie Elder." The bad guy was firing off a few rounds at a target with it.
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#3357657 - 10/04/09 01:32 PM Re: GUNS OF CROSSFIRE TRAIL [Re: Gene L]
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I believe the Remington Keene .45-70 grade 'B' sporter used in both 'The Sons of Katie Elder'(1965) and 'Joe Kidd'(1972) is the same rifle with minor changes to the optics & the magazine tube. It was probably provided by Stembridge Arms, the Hollywood prophouse source for movie weapons. The rifle used in 'Crossfire Trail' was on display at the NRA museum a couple of years ago in a display titles, "Gun of the silver screen" & the American Rifleman article errantly listed it as a .45-70 Govt. caliber. I'm not sure if this rifle is different from the .40-60 Marlin & Ballard Remington Keene in the NRA collection. The rifle pictured in this thread is a .45-70 Frontier/U.S.I.D. Indian Police rifle with a 24" round barrel & straight grip stock. The grade 'B' sporters differed with a 24-1/2" half round/half octagonal barrel, upgraded wood stock with pistol grip & checkering. Other rare chamberings for these rifles included .43 Spanish & .44-40 WCF.


Edited by 3dtestify (10/05/09 12:49 PM)

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