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Awrite boys,

I see alot of Toyota lovers on this board. I used to own a 1986 PU 4X4 years ago, so I know their dependability. Now, I got two kids lunging around my legs, and wanting to get a Toyota truck, been eyeing the Ext Cab. The Tundras and T100 seem to fit the bill also. BTW, not expecting long trips with this (that what the wife's van is for!), but want something I can drive to work, hunt, camping in. Has anyone gotten any gripes from the kids or wife in a Ext Cab, Tundra or T100?

I noticed the 2000 Tacoma Ext Cab 4X4 are selling for alot of money, when you can get a NEW 2004 Toyota Tacoma Ext Cab for like $17500 or so. This is for the 5 speed.

One other question, I test drove a used Toyota Tacoma Ext Cab in the 2000 year I believe, and I noticed with its automatic transmission it seem to lag the power of a 5 speed? Has anyone notice/felt the auto trans has less power than the 5 speed? I am asking, bec the wife wants the automatic transmission and I like the pickup of the 5 speed.

Thanks...many decisions...many decisions...to make!

Owned a T100 for 5 years and traded it on a new Tundra. Loved the T100. Back seat was ok for kids, or adults on short trip. Tundra is bigger and better, but had no complaints on the T100. For shorter trips, you'll be just fine, but probably wouldn't want to go cross country in the back of T100.

Hunter01










Hunter01

I'd definitly get the Tundra. Lots a room and lots a power. And one of the smoothest riding vehicles you'll ever ride in.

Valad,

I had a Tacoma.. really liked it.. solid dependable truck..BUT.. it ain't aTundra.. and obviously is not intended to be one..

When I was new truck shopping I test drove a new Tacoma and I honestly felt the ride was far worse than my "old" Tacoma..and the cab seemed just too confining ... even though it was the extended cab model. I was very disappointed with the Tacoma and felt Toyota had actually taken a step backward with their newer Tacoma's.

However, I decided to try out the Tundra. Love at first test ride. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I bought a new ( 2002 at the time ) V8 4x4 Tundra... No regrets..

Ample room for the grandkiddies in the back ( extended cab ) , enough power for me, and just a sweet ride.. I honestly believe it rides smoother than my 04 Camry.

I just wish I could afford to swap my 02 and get an 04 version with the 4 doors..

Of course, your mileage may vary.. just offering my $.02..

Hope this helps..

Al..

Al,

I know what you mean, you felt too confining in a new Tacoma. I felt this myself, but I chalked this up to being used to riding in a Grand Cherokee Laredo, which has more room than the Tacoma.

I guess this is right, for short trips this would not be bad. I don't expect to take any long trips with the family, so the Tacoma would do. I drive 40 miles one way, to work, so round trip is 80 miles a day. half of that is in traffic, which moves ok sometimes and slower other times.

At minimum I think the Tacoma will do, but the Tundra or T100 seem to be the best of both worlds for me. I noticed Toyota is not making T100's anymore?

Thanks...

Have you thought of a double cab? Not much room left behind the cab (5' bed), but more than enough room for kids or adults in the back.

Tough as friggin' nails too.

You may want to wait a couple months. The new Tacoma is coming out. Mid sized (like a Dodge Dakota), and will have a V-8 option.

Not sure about the running gear underneath. If it is based on the new 4 runner as rumored, look at losing about 1 1/2 inches of ground clearance up front.

Might be worth a look though.

I would stay away from the V6 double cab if you plan on putting four adults in the cab as you would really feel the power loss. The V8 sounds better, but then I'd opt for the Tundra.

Do yourself a big favor...Go test drive a Full size 1 ton crew cab with a big diesel engine(preferrably F350)...then at least you gave yourself a chance.

IF you only drive the rice burners, they are great, but after you have driven a full size you will know the difference.

My brother has a Tacoma Ext Cab and I have a Tundra Ext Cab. The Tacoma is slightly cheaper, gets slightly better mileage, and is better off-road (Although IMHO the Tundra is the best off-roader of all the "1/2 tons")

If your duties mainly are on the road, carrying people and luggage (in the cab) I'm almost sure you would prefer the V8 Tundra. On the Tacoma Ext cab, there aren't rear doors, which makes putting heavy things and people in the back a pain not to mention its pretty small. The Tacoma double cab has enough people room, but a pretty small bed.

If you have to have the auto, you may find the 6cyl lacking for certain situations, especially if you are at elevation. I agree that with the 6cycl, a 5spd is the way to go.

Any Toyota truck is a good one, and will hold its value so you can't really go wrong.

I have ridden in the back seat of a tundra extended cab for a very short trip.It is extremely tight compared to my old gmc extended cab.I would not make anyone that you like ride in the back seat unless they are a very small child.There is simply no leg room.If you will have larger children or adults in the back seat consider the double cab or a different brand of extended cab.

My reply will probably be met with unhappy faces, but it's needed.

Obviously, most of you are Japanese truck fans. And that's cool. Why not look at Nissan's Titan. Looks like a heck of a truck and has been built cabin space in mind. Yes, it will burn a bit more gas, but it would be safer in a collision and it will tow, if wanted.

Could the Nissan or the Toyota be fixed in Melstone, Montana? No, Jake (the local rig-fixer) would grin, spit a cheekful of tobacco juice and lecture you about the Japanese Revenge.

Personally, I got over imported trucks long ago. The Japs forced Detroit to get better and the newer American trucks are awfully darned good.

My current one is a 2003 Chevy extended cab/short bed Z-71. The engine is a 5.3 liter and it gives just short of 300 HP. I just returned from a 1000 mile trip around Eastern and Central Oregon and I got 19.6 mpg during the trip. Hey, in my book, that is very decent mileage.

I have about 15,000 miles on the Z-71 and it's lifetime average mileage 16.7 mpg. Again, that's fabulous, considering the amount of city driving and trailer towing (20-foot travel trailer) that is added to the mix.

My Z-71 will probably be like its predecessor. Feed it a bit of gas, lube and oil it every 3K and do the periodic services. Flawless and perfect in every way.

Added to that, in the unlikely event that my Chevy should have a mechanical problem, I know that the shade-tree mechanics in the backwater places I hunt, like Jordan, Montana, would be able to get me running again. Absolutely impossible with a slant-eye rig, I bet.

When it comes to room, it's awfully hard to beat the plain ol' full-sized American rig.

Anyway, that's my two cents' worth; take it for wisdom or discard.

Steve

Thanks for letting us Toyota owners down! Your post sounds a bit racist to me.
(thumbs down on you)


MtnHtr

I considered a Japanese pickup until I learned they are not available with a squad car-type barrier between the front and back seat. My huntin' buds are 6'-7" 245-lbs and 6'-2" 235-lbs.

I didn't want to get strangled...

As usual, your SPOT ON <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Steve, I beg to differ with you, but Toyatas (if they ever do need fixing) are easy to find parts for and they are no more expensive than American made vehicles. On another note, "Back woods Inbred Jed" isn't going to touch my vehicle. The best part about rice burners is, they hold their resale, their paint sticks to the metal (contrary to Fords or Chevys) and they don't rust like a Chev. I get sick of all the little parts and nobs breaking off in Chevs and Fords, hence, why I will never own another one. Resale for American vehicles is a joke and you NEVER see an American vehicle make 10 best cars or trucks in ANY report or magazine. I have owned 15 Toyotas over the years. Not one has ever let me down or cost me more than a couple of bucks to fix. Two hundred thousand trouble free miles is a chip shot. You can't say that about American vehicles....especially the high dollar diesels. Oh well, I will stick with "the cramped space and low power," because I know I am going to get there on little gas, no expenses, drive places full sized vehicles can't go, and when it is all done, I can still sell it for near what I paid for it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Oh, and as to the original post, get the double cab or access cab, your kids will thank you. I tried the extra cab for my kids and it just didn't work, although it is nice to throw your guns and gear behind the seat <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Flinch

Steve,



So why is your reply "needed"? Are you feeling so insecure because there are so many Toyota owners here that you felt a flame was "needed"? The crux of this thread was advice on selecting a Toyota PU.



As for Melstone, MT, I would not let some backwoods tobacco spitting Jake work on my rig anyways. I've seen plenty of American hunting rigs broken down on I-80 thru Nevada, Utah and Wyoming on my out of state hunting forays but never a Toyota. BTW, there is a authorized factory Toyota dealer about 2hrs away from Melstone in Billings, MT. Apparently the Toyota market in backwoods Montana is sufficent enough to sustain local dealerships. And Toyota PUs are not imports anymore, more than half of the components are made in America as well as the assembly.



Prestige Toyota Billings MT



Montana Toyota Dealerships



Sorry Steve, but you are a bit misinformed on this topic.



MtnHtr

Friend Flinch,



You know, you're probably right. I know folks that have driven imports for years and are just totally delighted with them. And the reputation is that the Japanese trucks are absolutely bulletproof.



Kinda like my shooting, I have to pilot my life by what I've experienced. I just couldn't live without a Mercedes-Benz, so in 1980 (or so). Bear in mind that we never buy a new vehicle until we can pay cash and we suffered for the M-B. What a piece of crap; hard riding and it literally fell apart in the 100,000 miles we drove it. We kept the M-B serviced immaculately and it cost a bloody fortune. Still fell apart.



We've had Volkswagens, Subarus and Toyotas. Actually, the Subarus were pretty good, but the interiors were finished from thrift store cast-offs.



I absolutely agree that the 1970-ish American rigs, pre-the invasion of outside vehicles, were lacking in quality. Today, I believe Detroit is doing a lot better.



Before the Nissan Titan, I'm afraid the imports were just not large enough to tote all the stuff that Karen and I take on a hunting trip. Some folks take a lot and some take little (or pack it better). I simply don't know how you'd put a couple of dead elk, all out stuff and tow a travel trailer with most of the imports.



Frankly, we liiked seriously at the Nissan Titan at the Portland Auto Show. There was a lot to like in the Titan, but I think it would be better to wait for a few years, until all the bugs have been worked out (they HAVE had problems; bed coating that never hardened, window probs etc. Titantalk.com is a good source of info).



By the way, the Nissan Titan is made in Mississippi.



If my Z-71 was not so new, I would seriously consider the 2004 or 2005 crew cab/short bed Z-71. We usually run a rig for a bunch of years before replacing. Believe it or not, we've never had a major repair of any American truck or car. We service according to factory schedule and, other than a dead starter (at 120K) on my 1978 Chevy Silverado, all of out US rigs have been flawless.



As I said, I have to guide off of my experience and other folks have to do the same. Lots of guys, almost everyone here have had great experience with imports. I have not.



Makes me shudder when I remember being stuck in Missoula with a blown head gasket in our VW Rabbit. We were five miles..FIVE FRIGGIN' MILES...over the warranty. Cost me five hundred dollars at the VW garage and we had to wait three or four January days in a motel while the part was bussed in and the shop got around to putting it in. Not good.



Mtn Hntr, Hey, I'm anything but a racist. My daddy was shot to crap by both the Japanese and the Germans and before he died he had both a Toyota (which ran well) and a bunch of Porches and Mercedes-Benz. He loved the imports. Like, I said, you just have to go with your own experience.



I have a few friends who have Toyota Tundras and they love them. At least the size is getting close. Now, if Toyota made a rig the size of a Titan, I might be tempted, very tempted.



Hey, no flame intended here. Just trying to help, as usual. There ARE choices out there, and we spend a lot of our hard earned money for trucks, so it's good to look at all options.



Anyway, If I offended anyone by offering a point of view garnered from forty-five years of driving both imported and domestic trucks, I apologize.



Steve

"Japanese Revenge" ??? You need to get over yourself and join the real world. I think I'll discard your "two cents worth"...

Steve, no harm no foul whatsoever. I was just pointing out my own findings. I too go with my gut, based on experience. My inlaws are all in American auto sales, so I get to see a lot of stuff first hand...both good and bad....mostly bad. Sometimes I just walk away shaking my head at what the "American" factories turn out. Flinch

Hey Friend Flinch,

The value of this and all forums is we can all learn from each others experiences. The original poster was looking for his fellow members to relate their experiences and opinions. Each in his own way, we all were willing to share and to help.

Surely none of us knows everything. It really helps when we can use many experiences and many opinions in our greater purchases (such as a home or a truck).

In gun stuff, it is very well known that Remington 700s shed their bolt handles and the extractors break or fail to work at all. Flinch, I have absolutely no idea how many rounds of ammo through 700s (many hundreds of thousands) and I have yet to have an extractor problem. Nor have I seen an extractor problem.

I shot an unbelieveably hot load through a 700 - .308 several years ago (real handloading screwup) and I pounded the bolt open with a 4X4. The bolt held.

From my experience, the 700 is about as good as it gets. From others, who have had extractor or bolt problems, the 700 sucks. Just depends on what you've personally experienced and what you've seen.

Anyway, my friend, I intended no foul.

Only 27 days until we leave for Montana antelope. Yaaaa <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Steve

Sooo Flinch,

are you trying to say my American Dodge with Cummins diesel (built in Mexico with US, Japanese & German parts <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />) won't last as long as your 'Yota? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

badger

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> And my beloved Z-71 is about half Canadian, some Mexican and (hopefully) a little American. Gad, I don't think any of our rigs are truly of a single nationality. Maybe the "Bowtie" in the middle of my Chevy's grille is made in the good ol' US of A. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Steve

My Tacoma was built in Fremont, Ca.

valad,
Shop around before you buy. I was planning on buying a Tacoma, especially when I saw the prices on the Tundra! WOW! I owned a 1989 Tacoma ext. cab 4x4 until it got so rusty I was ashamed to be seen in it. There were huge holes in the fenders. I had to replace the back bumper before it became a road hazard. Then I found out what the oxygen sensors cost (x2). Then the vacuum booster rusted out and I found out what that cost, (again wow) . I decided to let someone else enjoy it and bought a 95 Ford which I liked better. After deciding I needed an extended cab I shopped around and looked at the Toyotas and noticed they are smaller and cost more, I shopped around and picked up a 2003 F-150 extended cab with a 5 speed trans. (made in Japan) 4x4 for the same money that a dinky little Tacoma 2x4 would have cost . By the way I have gone out west Prairie dog hunting already with the Ford and it got 19.6 miles per gallon on the highway. A Toyota might get 22 tops.
I can also haul camping stuff and shooting stuff that the Toyota could never fit in the dinky little box they have.
If you want to buy something made by the same people who brought you PEARL HARBOR thats OK with me. But look at the price you will pay to repair it and then test drive a new American full size. With the new Ford you can get 18 MPG even with the big engine and automatic transmission. They ride better and if you really want to know mine was assembled in Canada.
BTW It was the 788 Remington that would loose the bolt handle if you really pounded on a stuck bolt. I guess if all you want to do is drive it to work a Toyota would be easier to park in a crowded lot but try and fit hunting and camping stuff for 4 adults in a Tacoma???? I don't think so.
GWN

As you said, all you can do is evaluate personal experience. Here is some of mine. We've used Dodge and Ford diesels, and now a GMC v8 on the farm. Each one of those vehicles have cost more in maintenance in ONE YEAR than my Tacoma has in the 7 years I have had it. The GMC needed a complete front end rebuild this year at 100,000. Last year, it was the clutch. It's always something, and the bill is always over $1,000. We put three trannies in the Ford. We replaced the manual tranny in the Dodge, among other things. Over the life time of the Ford, the maintenance per mile was higher than our International class 8 OTR rigs that run down the road at 65,000 lbs....

They may be better than they used to be, but they are still not up to snuff, most especially if you use them at the upper ends of their specifications. JMO, Dutch.

Well, after all has been said I guess I�ll throw my opinion in the ring.

I had a 2002 Tundra Extended Cab 4WD V8 for about a year. Bought it after owning a Ford F-150 for 13 years and loved it � would still have it but a move to the city required a more urban runabout so I very reluctantly traded it off. The Ford was great but only had a front bench seat, and I needed someplace for a wife, a thirteen year old girl and 2-3 of her friends to sit.

My overall take � if you need more of a suburban or rural type of pickup as opposed to a real hard workin� ranch or farm truck, the Tundra is great. The size is big enough for all I ever needed but being a leetle smaller than the full size Chevy/Ford/Dodge it parks a little easier as well. The ride and handling is excellent, far and away better than my Ford.

If I had to haul bricks for a living, I would not get the Tundra. If I had to haul bricks on severely washed out roads or across roadless rough ground I wouldn�t get the Tundra. If you want to haul 5 people on long trips lasting more than an hour or so, get a true 4 door pickup with a full size rear seat. But for daily commuting from suburbs to city or country to city, driving in snow country, hauling Home Depot or garden type supplies home, helping friends move furniture, taking the wife and kids and friends to the movies or shopping, hunting trips on forest service roads and all but the worst 4WD roads and everything but true day in/day out heavy duty hauling, the Tundra is an excellent choice.

Mtn Hunter,

The only flame I see here is coming from you. DZ didn't bash the Jap trucks (at least I didn't read it that way). Just stating his preferences.

Jap Revenge were his mechanics words .. not his.

Guys need to lighten up <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> (its not like he was bad mouthing Remington or something) I own an older (96) Nissan and it has served me well, I would consider a titan but they are but ugly. When it comes time for me to buy a new truck it will be amongst the Top 4 and the best value for my money will win.

AV,

Go back and re-read it. The label "Japs" is in itself considered a racist slur in which I'm sure is a suprise to many. He should have wrote "Japanese" instead. The other term posted was "slant-eye rig", which needs no further explanation. How would a native Alaskan guide feel being refered to as "slant eye"? These kind of slurs I would expect coming from others but not from a gunwriter on a public forum. And those kind of slurs would get one in deep $hit in the workplace nowadays.

MtnHtr

The United States of the Offinded

In regards to Japs ... if he is refering to the truck I wouldn't call it racist, if he was refering to a person if it isn't racist, it is rude. Slant-eye on the other hand (which I did miss), ain't too many ways to take that one.

My appologies.

And the definition of "racist" is?

Personally, I'll let my 9.5 years military service speak for my patriotism. I don't need to let my truck do it for me. Those of you that think you do, should stop by your nearest military installation, look at the number of Japanese versus American vehicles, then go on a little "you drive a Jap rig, you're unamerican" name calling spree. I'll save you the trouble and call 911 for you now......



And until American workers and companies can get their crap together and put together a vehicle that won't fall apart and require constant repair, or that won't sound like a bucket of freakin' spare screws when I'm bouncing over dirt roads, I'll spend my hard earned money on something that won't aggravate the crap out of me, when I'm supposed to be enjoying myself!



There is no doubt in my mind that America can do it if they want to. They do it every day with made in America Toyotas. The American manufactuers however find less profit aparently in doing things that way. They only upped the quality on their vehicles when consumers were leaving to buy quality Japanes products in droves. They can do it I think, they just don't want to.



And I don't care if a computer for my truck costs $2k, or if an oxygen sensor costs $500 bucks. You know what, I'll spend that $500 or $2k ONCE first, before I spend $50, or $200 or $300 bucks here and there every time I turn around.



Where I go in the woods, there is no Pep Boys, Auto Zone, or local dealership. I don't care if what's broke only costs me $10 to fix, when there is no place to fix the damn thing.



And those of you that think backcountry inbred Jed working at the local gas station will be able to figure out one of the newer American rigs any darn easier than he can figure out a Toyota, you're fooling yourselves. The only similarity between these vehicles and our favorite 1969 Blazer with the 350 ci V8, is the ci of the engine, if that.



But, as for the cost of parts, I need dependability, not cheap parts. Cheap parts is why they are allways breaking down, NOT something to necessarily be viewed as an asset, in my opinion.

Mtn Hunter,

Somehow, I imagined that the 24 Hour Campfire was similar to a bunch of guys sitting around a campfire. Guys just joshing, talking and trying to help each other. This would assume that we were just being guys, not the culturally correct beings that we have to be in the business community.

When guys talk, most guys at least, it is fairly free. Speech is "first draft," and it is the way one would talk around the campfire. I've always treasured being able to talk to guys man-to-man, without having to be totally culturally-correct and perfect in every possible way.

I guess others don't see it that way and they want our conversations to be as dry as the average published manuscript.

Anyway, you've got it. I will participate in a much more measured fashion at the Campfire. No personal insights into the world of gun writers, no personal handloads (heck, they might be near max) and surely no opinions gleaned from a lifetime of experience with firearms, handloading, hunting and trucks.

I'll participate in the Campfire, but it will be as if the words were being published.

If I offended you personally by the post, I apologize. As I said, it was first draft and was not intended to be hurtful. I will say that it has been wonderful being to communicate with the Campfire guys on a personal level; those days are now over.

Steve Timm

It sucks when people force others to speak or write through the filter of Political Correctness.

I much prefer people speak their minds, regardless of how others feel.

Steve's right, this is a campfire...not your office.

At least, in my view...

dave

DZ,

IIRC, I personally welcomed you to the campfire when you first joined. Its still a public forum and after reading your opening post on this thread I can't but help think your intent was more than just "stirring the pot." I would not have been offended in the least by your use of the label "Jap", but it was used in conjunction with the "slant eye rig" that led me (and others) to believe you were using it in a racial tone. I worked for over 20yrs as a mechanic in a large shop along the side of 60+ mechanics. I know a little bit about how vehicles work and how people work also.

Nobody is asking you to be "dry" or "culturally correct" around the campfire, just the same respect you would show an Indian guide or your friend's wife from another country would be appreciated.

MtnHtr

Friend Steve,

Heck I sure hope the campfire stuff is not over. As a slant eye from Downunder myself & a Toyota lover as well (Landcruiser) I certainly do not take offence to anything you say.

Now if you criticised one of my rifles - heck now that would be serious! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I think we as shooters have all suffered because the world view is now to be "politically correct". No offense Mtn Hunter but this is a public forum & Steve was just relating his own experience. I think amongst friends one is entitled to be a little colourful. And Steve you are certainly amongst friends here.

In my limited dealings with Steve he has always been superhelpful and has never held back any info as being "proprietary". In fact quite the opposite he goes overboard to make sure you have the "good oil". Everytime I log in to this forum the first thing I do is search what "MD" & "DZ" have posted. Heck I've learnt so much and am very grateful to these guys for taking the time to share their insights & experiences on a no holds barred basis.

Steve, come home please. All is forgiven!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Regards
JohnT

PS. Steve, the 45ACP cardide dies trick works a treat. Got maybe the last one. Damned Government banned the calibre so all the gunshops sold their stocks to the govt in a buyback. Another victim of "political correctness" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/help.gif" alt="" />

Friend John T,

Believe it or not, Karen and my Best Man was a fella named Glenn Wong. Glenn's dad owned the local Chinese resturaunt and we used to hang out in the the kitchen until the cooks threatened to slice us up with their cleavers. Glenn's Best Mannery (is that a word?) must have worked because we've been married for forty years. Still one of my best friends and a brother. We've worked together, sweat together, bled together and cried together.

Bigoted or racist? Nope, not me. But it really pisses me off when I cannot just be one one of the guys and have our modern society with its wonderful self-rightousness rear its ugly head.

You are so right when you say that political correctness has made us suffer. For many years, when we owned out store, I employed lots of local ladies. They were just great, laughing and having fun as we all make our living. If there was sexual harrassment, it was me as the offended party. Today, we'd ALL be put in jail. Somehow we've lost something, when EVERYBODY is so friggin' sensitive.

John, you and I are buddies. You can call me an insensitive name (grandparents came from Germany, so we think of something really AWFUL <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />) and I certainly won't be offended. Hey, most of us are just plain folks and this trash doesn't mean a damned thing.

I am SO glad that the .45 ACP sizer thing is in your bag of tricks. It works and probably will never be in any article. And you have my condolences that your government is in the throes of "political correctness." Hopefully, it won't happen here, but from the signs, I'm holding my breath.

Please, friend John, always feel free to PM me or e-mail me (www.dogzappermsn.com). I'm happy to help any time. Hey man, you're my Downunder Buddy.

Your friend Steve

Terrific Steve, Great that you are back!

Hey we are all different but at the end of the day we all Laugh, we Cry & we Bleed. So we are not so different after all.

Anyway how the F___ (sorry!) did we end up talking about this subject on a question about

Lets get back to "Guns & Shooting" - A lot safer a topic. Was going to say "Gun & Ammo" which used to be my favourite mag in the 70's till they stuffed it up.

Steve, I've read your article at VHA site on load development. Now tell me about those two times you nearly blew yourself up! That I wanna know.

Regards
JohnT

Hey John Tan,

Story about how I darned near blew myself up twice is in a lengthy PM to you. I think you'll get a kick out of it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Your friend Steve

Steve,

I've read it & its a bit scary the things that can go wrong. Guess the Boss upstairs decided you had not sufferred enough. Well that is a good thing cause we can all learn from you.

But not about Toyotas! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Regards
JohnT

Once again Steve, you are spot on. I enjoy the Hell out of your posts and I'd like you to keep them coming. I think a couple of the guys have had too much caffeine or somethin'.

JohnT and Sakoluver,

Thanks for being in my corner. In addition to my poor powers of communication, there has to be some other issue working here. Anyway, I want to thank you.

See ya,

Steve

DaveR,
Its just possible you have 9.5 years in the military because you don't have a good enough education to make it in the civilian job market. I doubt if patriotism ever enters most peoples minds when they enlist. By the way I talked to your mom last night and she said she would visit the nearest military installation in my place. And by the way I was in the military myself and you could be a finance clerk for all I know so don't threaten people it makes you seem like a coward.
GWN

So Badger, how is that transmission holding up <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Flinch

Huh. You're funny. Someone who obviously couldn't find a coherent sentence with both hands if it had teeth and was latched onto his ass (as evidenced by the literary excellence displayed in your little written hissy fit), and you're accusing me of being uneducated? Okay.

And just where did I threaten anybody?

No, not currently serving, finished that 10 years ago, though I am considering a tour in the reserves to see how I like it. And trust me, the pittance I�d make as a NG member is certainly not a factor in my decision to do so. I do quite well without needing supplemental income, thanks.

Many I served with, and many now serving, would find it highly interesting you don't think patriotism is a factor in enlistment, and that they only enlisted, by your way of thinking, because they were uneducated and had no other options. (As this is how YOU think, your statement does however speak strongly of your motivation for serving.)

As you've taken such offense to my post, I figure you must either be a Chevrolet or Ford autoworker, or (and this is my guess) you must be the "backcountry inbred Jed" I had referenced in my post.

But please, do offer some more of you wit. I do so enjoy the intellectual stimulation of the "your momma" smack.

Sorry to offend ya' there, Jed.

Ouch !!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Still hangin' in there. Needs a little <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/help.gif" alt="" /> when I dial up the juicebox, although I knew that when I installed it. Saving my pennies for an ATS tranny (unlimited HP & torque warranty). Then I'll be able to feel the old Cummins put 1100 lb/ft to the ground <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Oh, BTW, can your Toyota do that??? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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