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Socialism and the politicians that peddle that crap are no different than crack sold by a drug dealer. "Look, it cool, it makes you feel good, it takes the struggle away". And the junkies get hooked on it and think it's great. Then it becomes the answer to all their problems. Got a problem, need more socialism. "there, that feels better, I'm not hurting anyone else."

Problem is that socialism costs too much money and the addicts can't afford it, but they're addicted. So, they sacrifice their lifestyles to pay for the drug and even steal from their kids piggy bank and college fund to get the funds. Pretty soon, bankruptcy looms, you've lost sight of what's important to you and you've taken for granted the gifts you have.

In the end, the addicts have one of two possible solutions. Either die a miserable, powerless, broke addict. Or, MAN UP, take control of their lives back. Shoot the friggin dealer between the eyes, go through some detox and return to a real, honerable life.


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I'm all for shooting the dealer between the eyes, but how about the supplier as well. Pols couldn't deal in favors if the Fed didn't supply the lucre with which to do so.


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I'm all for shooting the dealer between the eyes, but how about the supplier as well. Pols couldn't deal in favors if the Fed didn't supply the lucre with which to do so.

Your absolutely right Mike. I am NOT saying support the party. Pick the good guys, give them your support and let the rest go high and dry. I AM NOT loyal to the republican party. I am loyal to the individual leaders who demonstrate that they are loyal to what's best for the nation. I just haven't found nearly any democrats that fit in that category. And none of the compromising, let's all get along republicans, get any support from me either. I want leaders in Washington that don't give a crap about making friends and winning a popularity contest. If I find someone like that, we need to keep those guys and abandon all the rest.

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And if we do that, the republican party will be "fixed" imo.


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D'accord.


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OK, let's see a list of elected republicans that are substantially different than say Pelosi/Obama/Schumer/Feinstein so we can look at their records (voting, stumping, and so forth) to see if there really is a difference or not.

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your really are a retard, Jason-boy. why don't you start by looking at the ACU scores of the members of congress....that should give you a clue, if you're capable of getting one.


when you're old enough to vote, you'll learn these things, I guess.


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here's a hint....look at the most conservative states. since I'm sure you would never figure it out for yourself.


here, I'll make it easy for you:

http://www.acuratings.org/

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Originally Posted by mike762
I do talk to the voters in my state, and many of them are parasites who like government cheese, which is why I am very pessimistic about the future. Socialism has crept into the middle class, and they like it. Since this isn't apt to change, pols will adapt-at least until they bankrupt the country and destroy the currency. Corker is up for re election next year, and his modification of the Senate version of HR 1206 isn't winning him many points in my book, and neither is his soft pedaling the Health Care bill.

My point is that the Party needs to enforce Party discipline and make it's members conform to the Party platform, which last I checked is pretty conservative. If they are not willing to do that, and withhold funds and discipline those that go against it, then they need to change the platform into something more in line with their beliefs, and give those of us who don't feel that way fair warning to find another home. Talking small government and fiscal responsibility, but turning around and supporting statist agendas isn't honest dealing.

Those pols who do feel uncomfortable with the current platform need to join the caucus where they are most comfortable. If Snowe claims that the Party left her, then she needs to go where she feels at home. Same for the rest of those I named.

I'm tired of compromising my beliefs in order to get a majority, especially when it has been shown that having that majority does little to roll back the tide of socialism that is engulfing us all. I would rather be an honest opposition party united in it's beliefs as a bastion of libertarian/conservative/small government principles, than a "big tent" party that tries to be all things to all people and as such does none of them well.


+1,000 Mike. I could not have said it better.


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I think that pretty well anywhere - die-hard political partisans - regardless of their party persuasion - really don't wield much power.

I mean the right gets its hard-core right-wing voters - every time. The left gets its own hard-core people every election too.

There are generations of people who always vote the same - and thus, in their predictability - they have very little actual influence.

The REAL POWER lies with the swing voter. They are the one that have the power to change electoral maps. They are the ones that need to be courted and captured. They will always be the most important voters - anywhere - any time - any place.

This is true of almost every democracy on the planet - I suspect its true in America too.


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Originally Posted by Steve_NO
your really are a retard, Jason-boy. why don't you start by looking at the ACU scores of the members of congress....that should give you a clue, if you're capable of getting one.


when you're old enough to vote, you'll learn these things, I guess.


Jason's right I want to see the list too. I don't give a crap about the ACU or any other group. I know how the game is played, those ratings don't mean diddly squat.


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dude, sometimes you sound as retarded as Jason....you don't care about ratings based on their votes....so WTF do you care about?

their hair styles?

here, click on the state and you can get the rankings for their representatives.....although you're so determined to keep your head firmly up your ass on this issue that I don't know why you even pretend you care.

http://www.acuratings.org/


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Originally Posted by Steve_NO
dude, sometimes you sound as retarded as Jason....you don't care about ratings based on their votes....so WTF do you care about?

their hair styles?

here, click on the state and you can get the rankings for their representatives.....although you're so determined to keep your head firmly up your ass on this issue that I don't know why you even pretend you care.

http://www.acuratings.org/


First, their crap is hard to follow because they have no clear ledgend or at least now I could find.

Second, Baucus is a liberal to the max he only pretends to be conservative for six months, the six months he runs for re-election. Tester is probably a little more conservative than Max.

Rehburg I know personally and he is a lot more conservative than both Democrats.

The point being if they followed the Constitution they would vote against all legislation because it is unconstitutional but they don't.


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Baucus is an 8, Tester is a 16....out of a hundred. Does that help? It ain't rocket science....just click on a state and you get the ACU rating for the delegation, for 2008 and lifetime.


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Originally Posted by JasonB
OK, let's see a list of elected republicans that are substantially different than say Pelosi/Obama/Schumer/Feinstein so we can look at their records (voting, stumping, and so forth) to see if there really is a difference or not.

Are you friggin kidding me? First of all, almost all the republicans have better voting records than those schittheads you mentioned- Pelosi/Obama/Schumer/Feinstein. But just being better is not good enough. They need to be far better imo. But comparing those clowns to 90% of republicans is just rediculous. No offense.


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dude, sometimes you sound as retarded as Jason....you don't care about ratings based on their votes....so WTF do you care about?

their hair styles?

here, click on the state and you can get the rankings for their representatives.....although you're so determined to keep your head firmly up your ass on this issue that I don't know why you even pretend you care.

http://www.acuratings.org/


First, their crap is hard to follow because they have no clear ledgend or at least now I could find.

Second, Baucus is a liberal to the max he only pretends to be conservative for six months, the six months he runs for re-election. Tester is probably a little more conservative than Max.

Rehburg I know personally and he is a lot more conservative than both Democrats.

The point being if they followed the Constitution they would vote against all legislation because it is unconstitutional but they don't.

No one has time to follow every single official on every single vote. So I would take Steve's advice and look at some of the independent rating systems. But each of us CAN follow our own state reps very closely. If you look at that person's web site, they should have their voting record for every single vote- period. If they don't complain because there is no reason for anything less than full disclosure.


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Originally Posted by Steve_NO
Baucus is an 8, Tester is a 16....out of a hundred. Does that help? It ain't rocket science....just click on a state and you get the ACU rating for the delegation, for 2008 and lifetime.


Yes it does, thanks.

But Baucus and Tester are liberals so what else is new.


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so the ratings are fairly accurate, I guess?


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Originally Posted by OutlawPatriot
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Originally Posted by Steve_NO
dude, sometimes you sound as retarded as Jason....you don't care about ratings based on their votes....so WTF do you care about?

their hair styles?

here, click on the state and you can get the rankings for their representatives.....although you're so determined to keep your head firmly up your ass on this issue that I don't know why you even pretend you care.

http://www.acuratings.org/


First, their crap is hard to follow because they have no clear ledgend or at least now I could find.

Second, Baucus is a liberal to the max he only pretends to be conservative for six months, the six months he runs for re-election. Tester is probably a little more conservative than Max.

Rehburg I know personally and he is a lot more conservative than both Democrats.

The point being if they followed the Constitution they would vote against all legislation because it is unconstitutional but they don't.

No one has time to follow every single official on every single vote. So I would take Steve's advice and look at some of the independent rating systems. But each of us CAN follow our own state reps very closely. If you look at that person's web site, they should have their voting record for every single vote- period. If they don't complain because there is no reason for anything less than full disclosure.


We have two senators and one representative so it's pretty easy to keep track of them. And since none of them truly follow the constitution it isn't to hard to figure out how they vote 99% of the time although Rehburg is more apt to follow the constitution than the other two..


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My big concern on this topic is that people fall into the trap of making blanket generalities and lumping all people into the same category. There are good leaders out there and there are bad ones too.

Adopting a fatalist or "it's too late" attitude is EXACTLY what the enemy wants from you- capitulation. If we give up or get too fatigued, they win because people will just roll over and let them implement their plans.

But things are changing in this country. People are finally figuring out that something is wrong. People are finally getting off their asses and going to rallies. But we need endurance because the bad guys are waiting for complacency to set back in.

The momentum needs to continue until next year's elections. And many people need to lose their jobs during that election. That victory can at least get us back to gridlock and stop the trauma. And no progress is Hussein's worst nightmare. He will have nothing to campaign on.


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