Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Rifles 250-3000 vs 243 win....any difference???

Consider a 6mm/.22-250 or it's more modern interpretations, David Tubb's 6XC or the 6mm-6.5 X47 Lapua in a 8 or 9 twist barrel. Combining the best features of the .243 Win and the .250 Savage.

I like things simple.

A 25-08 would have been the best of all worlds. As it is I have a 257 Roberts, but the 250 Savage is no slouch, and a 250 AI or 25 Souper is the easiest way to get a true SA rob.

If I want a 6mm I'll get a 243 (have had more than a few) or 6mm Rem...

Nope, what one will do the other will do.

Dober

Carbon 12, you're close.....think 25 BR and 257/6.5x47 Lapua, not seen any 25x47 Lapuas and few have used the 25BR, though the latter will drive 100BTs around 3k and better in 22".....

On the Souper, an article appeared years back, gent did a FULL blow BR gun for varmints, in a 25-08 AI of sorts, seems like it was 35-40 shoulder, sung 87-88s at like 3450 IIRC, one hole groups, and it killed varmints WAAAAAAAAAY out there. Deer would be no trouble.

It does have merit....the Souper, but personally I see myself using a 250 or 250AI, and then going to 260, being the 6.5 Looney I am That's just me. The Roberts in a Lil Sky does sound somewhat intriguing, only because the 250-3000 has yet to be chambered! LOL.

I could envision years ago, the more blunt nosed Silvertip 100 gr in 250-3000 would open faster initially than a smaller frontal area 243 and have a wider initial wound channel on a deer.....if so, perhaps it was why some said the 250 did better on deer.

The other thing is I clocked some 100gr 243s in a 20" and they were Sub 2800....as in the 2700s.....not close to it's potential.

Many 243 owners of say Mohawk 600s, etc. using 85gr SGK HPs report Lightning fast kills on WT deer, launched at 3100-3300+ depending on bbl length. Ranges out to 400 yds. I think for broadside lung shots it is a top choice for that round. I watched my son - devastate 2 Tx deer with that bullet from an 1885 Low Wall, one at 300 yds, the other around 250 give/take. Both looked like a 270/130 hit them.

Bullet choice is important I think, as much and more so is shot placement with the choice of bullet.

Nothing wrong with either round when above is done, and likely insignificant field performance when using similar wt. bullets in each.

The 250-3000 is the 'Cooler round' however, no doubt.

Ive never owned a 250-3000 but Ive had that yearning to do so and Id agree to the cool factor in the savage 250,but I just came in from the range and the ol man and I were out getting deer rifles sighted in,Ive got an old 700 ADL in 243 winchester with the 20" barrel and I fired a 3 shot group with it taday that measured center to center on the bullet holes .260" with 100 grain
sierra bullets driven by IMR-4350 and this rifle shoots this good every day I think that holds a pretty cool factor in itself,but in all actuality I think what you can kill with one you can kill with the other,as shot placement says it all.......

I have a Savage 99A in 250-3000 I bought new in the early 70's. I've killed a truck load of deer with this little rifle and it remains one of my favorites. By the way, best bullet I have found for it is 100 gr. Hornady Spire Point. The cartridge seems to be as efective at the 243 and the old Savage 99 is a great rifle.

Doc

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The biggest difference is that the .250 is way cooler!

I really like my 257 Roberts, but would not hesitate for a moment to buy a 250-3000 especially in a Savage 99. I presently have ownership of a 99 in 308 until my daughter takes it away, and to find another to replace that one is proving difficult.

I know there is no difference in reality between the 243/250-300/257 roberts, but the nastalgia factor sways me now more than ballistics charts on them, and hence my choice would be the 250-3000
Randy

I'm with Brad. Since the 60's I've been wondering why some company doesn't come out with the 25-08. America (and Canada, too) is much more 25-calibre friendly than 264-friendly, and this has been proven in the marketplace time and time again.

What a great dual-purpose, light-kicking round it is, and the 08 case has long established itself as the premier short-action, highly accurate base on which to launch projectiles. It would sell. But then, so would the 25WSM instead of that brain-fart, super-fat abomination Winchester coughed up.

Have had a couple of older guys tell me that the
243 Win killed off the 250 Sav and the 220 Swift.

Heresy! The 220 Swift is not dead.

All:

The 243 is a dime a dozen, EVERYBODY has one.

The 250 in a bolt can't be beat (and new ones can barely be found). A great custom proposition, or a Kimber off the shelf are the only [new] options.

age old question, good topic worth reviving-

the 243 has more case capacity, and more velocity than the 250 Savage, with equal bullet weights.

the value and resale of the rifle will be higher with a 250 Savage, due to the classic nature, and somewhat more scarce on the market, all other factors equal, i.e. model, make, condition of rifle

the 2 cartridges are basically kissin' cousins- the 250 savage came first, then the 300 savage made from a necked up 250 savage, then the 308 Winchester made from a blown out shoulder, improved, lengthened 300 savage case by the US Army for the M-14 and NATO configuration during the 1950's, then the 308 necked down to 243 for commercial use mainly as a varmint cartridge, that was later pressed into service as a deer cartridge, and found to be a damned good one too

it all boils down to the original 250 Savage made by Newton, being one heckuva cartridge design

and one can go on saying the 250 Savage was really just a necked down, shortened 30-06

and the 30-06 was a necked up, lengthened 7x57 Mauser

so thank Paul Mauser and the Germans for our 250 Savage and 243 Win. to really get down to brass tacks

ps- to be honest, I've yet to see anything based on a 30-06 case head, that wasn't useful in one way or another, and most of them are truly remarkable, being non-magnums yet running nearly as good, and in some cases as good or better, than some belted magnums

truth be sold, anything that a 243 can do, a 6mm can do better, and anything that a 250 savage can do, a 257 Roberts or 25-06 can do better. This is excluding the magnums, which I consider in another class. The beauty of the 250 Savage, is low recoil and muzzle blast, compared to the lethal effect of the high velocity bullet- it's capable of taking game somewhat larger than what one would think the cartridge would achieve, by looking at it.

CPT: Sorry to pick a nit. But IIRC, the 243 ws touted by Warren Page, and introduced by Winchester, as a dual-purpose cartridge (varmints and deer), not just a varmint cartridge. Remington saw the caliber more as a varmint gun, and introduced their 244 with lighter bullets and slower twist. The 243 won.

I have one of each. with a 100 g bullet, and using loads that are well to the safe side, I see the .243 making about 100 fps more velocity. As I load them, they're very nearly the same. I prefer the .250 because it's unique and it's just a very efficient little cartridge. If I was not a handloader, I'd prefer the .243.

to me the greatest benefit of these cartridges is that they are very pleasant to shoot and have enough oomph to get the job done on the whitetails I hunt.

I have 3 250 Savages that being said, I don't like the case design that's prone to stretching. If you have a tight chamber
which most 99,s do not and rear locking action case is going to stretch, and limit case life. In a tight chamber bolt rifle no much of an issue.

Shocked nearly speechless that anyone would mention ".243" in any discussion about the .250 Savage.

They used to burn heretics ya know.

The 250 was first, so it must be FOREMOST. I've never heard of any Savvy 243's.

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