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Brad: Geez...sounds to me like a 300H&H...or it's rotund, vertically-challenged contemporary.... Hey now, it ain't fat, just big boned... LOL! +LOL!
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Seems to me when a 30 cal 180 reaches 3K it's all good no matter the brass cylinder fueling the bullet. Anything beyond that is fuel for the tiny gray cells only... Your weiner gets bigger too. (grin)
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“Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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If shooting 200 grain + bullets my personal choice would be the 300 Wby. Something to be said about slamming elk with a 200 NP leaving the muzzle at over 3,000.
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Ingwe: Of the 300 "magnums" it's the most user friendly of the bunch IMHO...a trait it shares with the 300H&H round,since they are very similar in charge weights and speed.It still recoils a fair amount but tolerably....
I have heard exactly that analogy many times Bob.....so in my book that'd make the WSM a good thing.. But without too many more analogies....I'm old school...and they don't get much sexier than the sleek .300H&H Ingwe
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But without too many more analogies....I'm old school...and they don't get much sexier than the sleek .300H&H Ingwe Can I get some Chordite to go with that? (grin)
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I must be a wimp, but the stuff you guys are talking about sure makes my shoulder and neck get a bit jumpy.
180s at 3300??? Do you get free chiropractic work or something?
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For your intended use your .300 Win Mag should work.
I will add that 30 some years ago i shot 3 rifles to check zero for some older guys. A .300 H&H, a .300 Win Mag Ruger 77, and a Mark V .300 Weatherby with a light 24" barrel.
The first two were a joy to shoot.
The lightweight Weatherby kicked the s$&%t out of me, literally picking my torso up off of the bench. I shot it twice and called it good!
Conclusion to me was that a light weight .300 Weatherby was not fun to shoot.
Each person will apply their own law of diminishing return to your question.
I don't think that you will see a significant increase in field performance with the higher velocity of the weatherby.
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I don't think I'd be changing to a weatherby. Maybe if you were thinking 26'' tube and the higher velocity was a big goal.
Either way I think the big 30s are at their best with heavier bullets. I'm a big fan of the 200 Parititons. Espcially for the big variety in animals you are after and/or may run into.
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I have a Tikka T-3 Lite in .300 Win, and it jumps quite a bit off the bench. I replaced the factory pad with a Limbsaver, and that helped but it is still no fun to shoot off the bench. I'd rather shoot my .300 Wthby with magnum contour barrel and an HS-Precision stock off the bench than that very lightweight Tikka!
I have had the Weatherby for many years. My brother re-barreled the Mod 700 for me when he was going to Yavapai Colleg's gunsmithing school. He also trued up the action, etc. and the gun shoots 3/4-inch groups consistently. I went with the Weatherby so that I could try to emulate either the .300 or .338 Win and shoot heavier bullets as fast as the lighter bullets from the .300 Win. Now, I realize it doesn;t make that much difference in the real world...and the Tikka is a joy to carry up the mountain.
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For your intended use your .300 Win Mag should work.
I will add that 30 some years ago i shot 3 rifles to check zero for some older guys. A .300 H&H, a .300 Win Mag Ruger 77, and a Mark V .300 Weatherby with a light 24" barrel.
The first two were a joy to shoot.
The lightweight Weatherby kicked the s$&%t out of me, literally picking my torso up off of the bench. I shot it twice and called it good!
Conclusion to me was that a light weight .300 Weatherby was not fun to shoot.
Each person will apply their own law of diminishing return to your question.
I don't think that you will see a significant increase in field performance with the higher velocity of the weatherby. After shooting a 300 Weatherby this weekend, I will agree.
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counterproductive, you give up a great design to get rounded shoulders and a couple more grains in the case. Stay with the 300WM What I said almost 3 years ago is still just as true today
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I have a 300 win mag that u could shoot all day.Its a Stevens 200 with a muzzle break on it from Willams gun sights in Daveson Mi. Kick like a 243 or 25-06 shoot it with one hand off the bench with 180 gr winchester silver box group right aroung 3/8 at 100 yards .So I ask what more could u ask for
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The cartridge boxes for .300WBY are cooler than the plain .300WIN MAG cartridge boxes.
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An awful lot of what passes for recoil is wrapped up in stock design and weight.Atvarious times in the past I've had 300 Wins and Weatherby's around and have hunted with both;toss in the 300H&H for good measure.
Back in the 80's I found the 300 Weatherby was the fastest even if by a narrow margin,but the H&H was the most manageable of the three in rifles of like weight.
I recently shot a 300 Weatherby on a M70 whose owner ditched the McMillan Classic on it and replaced it with an Echols Legend.It made a difference all right.
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The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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One other thought. For me its not the recoil for me thats hard to manage its the muzzle jump. If a gun recoils straight back its much easier to work with than a gun that dances around.
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That's for sure B. One of the reasons I want the barrel weight out front and not in the stock or action. Also one of the reasons I still love my old Browns.
4 me, a stock of 26-28 oz with a barrel about .65" at the mzl is a wonderful combo with most all rounds. Especially the mags.
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On a side note, I was at the range the other day and 4 of the 5 rigs around me had mzl breaks on them. Very glad it was time to leave...
And I'm not sure how to say this nicely and it don't apply in all cases but it appears that often those breaks are on guns who's owners don't shoot them very often. Um, was that PC enough?
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One other thought. For me its not the recoil for me thats hard to manage its the muzzle jump. If a gun recoils straight back its much easier to work with than a gun that dances around. Agreed. I owned a NULA in .300 Win Mag and the recoil wasn't awful, but for some reason I couldn't keep the muzzle down despite the straight stock. I eventually sold it for that reason. Also had a Mark V in .300 Weatherby that went about 8.5 pounds with scope and was doing something like 3300 FPS with 180 factory loads and muzzle jump was much less. Don't miss the NULA in .300 but do miss the Weatherby a little.
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DMM-I still really like your idea of a Forbes 25/06
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