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slasher,
I in the tomb I mentioned where the three archeologist discovered a king or governor or mayor with all the pottery and figurines they discovered the remains of the person. Along with the remains of the person they discovered a small dinosaur in the same state of decomposition.
I will try to remember the video and from where I got it. Most of the stuff I get, I loan or give to other folks to share the fun of life and discovery. If I find it and you would like me to mail it to you send a PM.
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slasher,
I in the tomb I mentioned where the three archeologist discovered a king or governor or mayor with all the pottery and figurines they discovered the remains of the person. Along with the remains of the person they discovered a small dinosaur in the same state of decomposition.
Got a reference for the find in a peer reviewed journal?
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slasher Please tell me what Institution of Higher Learning you are referring to... I am curious. As to the length of DNA: http://omega.albany.edu:8008/calc3/vector-functions-dir/dna-solution-m2h.html "i.e. about 2 meters long!" -------------------------------------- "Somebody studied a coli in a petri dish." Is this the way you wanted to write that? "...but you have been known to fly off the handle." Up yours, Buddy!!!!!!!!!!!  art Uncle Sam (throat slasher), Auburn, Cornell, and back to Auburn. I bet you're a google speed typist and would have been the first to volunteer for the SS death squads to shoot and hang Jews. You were the cretan who absolutely knew my daughter had died and continued with your vicious, apathetic sarcasm. "...there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." Talk to yourself. You're on ignore with some other [bleep] here. Slasher WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You have me confused with someone else! First, I have zero idea what you are talking about and second, I am not even remotely close to being racist! Hating someone for their race/religion is not me at all. Further, I have no idea what you are talking about relative to your daughter. I have/had no idea you lost a daughter. And quite frankly, losing kids is something I feel strongly about and would never make light of. I have no idea where your attack came from and I certainly apologize if in some glib moment I said something that offensive, but it was sure unintended... art
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Slasher, Sitka Deer offers an apology. Check it out.
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noKnees, Check out the following quote: I will try to remember the video and from where I got it. Most of the stuff I get, I loan or give to other folks to share the fun of life and discovery. Got a reference for the find in a peer reviewed journal? I will give it a try. But, here's what I have discovered about evolutionists' "peer reviewed" anything. If it has anything that even barely slightly contradicts anything to do with old earth and/or evolutionary believe, it is censored. I remember some years ago the curator of a museum in Canada was fired. Why? Because he accepted some artifacts from an archeologists that were unchallengeable, by their standards, too old for modern human. And yet they were of modern human origin. Life is tough when you live a lie. I will try to get the facts on this also.
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noKnees, Check out the following quote: I will try to remember the video and from where I got it. Most of the stuff I get, I loan or give to other folks to share the fun of life and discovery. Got a reference for the find in a peer reviewed journal? I will give it a try. But, here's what I have discovered about evolutionists' "peer reviewed" anything. If it has anything that even barely slightly contradicts anything to do with old earth and/or evolutionary believe, it is censored. I remember some years ago the curator of a museum in Canada was fired. Why? Because he accepted some artifacts from an archeologists that were unchallengeable, by their standards, too old for modern human. And yet they were of modern human origin. Life is tough when you live a lie. I will try to get the facts on this also. You are the only person that I have ever known who calls modern evolutionary science a lie. I think your Bible Christianity makes you bias and prejudice.
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The "what at first glance may seem a slight ambiguity as contradiction" is the whole point. A first glance, a second glance, a third glance, and hundreds of glances give the same results when reading the words from my RSV. There is no ambiguity. One must assume ambiguity and look for clues to try to get it to say something else. This is the problem I have with literalists. Every word is absolute truth unless you have to ignore what it says and try to look for "clues" to determine what you think it should mean. If it means what the words say, that is great. If it does not mean what the words say, that is great too. Consistency demands that you either say it is true, every word perfect, (EDIT) and try to find ways around the passages that seem inconsistent (END EDIT) or realize that the inconsistencies are there (EDIT) and accept them as part of the message (END EDIT). The inconsistencies do not bother me one bit. They do not detract from my understanding of Scripture and the message it communicates.
Your seem to claim to have the only true Bible and to know the only correct and completely consistent interpretation of the word of God. Lots of other people with different views have the same belief about themselves.
You never typed out the quotes from your Bible. You only threw out a few words from your Bible that are not in mine to try to say that my Bible is wrong.
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The "what at first glance may seem a slight ambiguity as contradiction" is the whole point. A first glance, a second glance, a third glance, and hundreds of glances give the same results when reading the words from my RSV. There is no ambiguity. One must assume ambiguity and look for clues to try to get it to say something else. This is the problem I have with literalists. Every word is absolute truth unless you have to ignore what it says and try to look for "clues" to determine what you think it should mean. If it means what the words say, that is great. If it does not mean what the words say, that is great too. Consistency demands that you either say it is true, every word perfect, (EDIT) and try to find ways around the passages that seem inconsistent (END EDIT) or realize that the inconsistencies are there (EDIT) and accept them as part of the message (END EDIT). The inconsistencies do not bother me one bit. They do not detract from my understanding of Scripture and the message it communicates.
Your seem to claim to have the only true Bible and to know the only correct and completely consistent interpretation of the word of God. Lots of other people with different views have the same belief about themselves.
You never typed out the quotes from your Bible. You only threw out a few words from your Bible that are not in mine to try to say that my Bible is wrong. I have several translations of the Bible, and I've never read first and second Genesis as contradictory in the least. You have to be looking intentionally to turn slight apparent ambiguity into contradiction to do that.
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I am just looking for the truth. You see ambiguities, I don't. Inconsistencies would seem to bother you but don't bother me. I am glad you are as happy with your interpretation as I am with mine.
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I make no pretense of knowing the Bible, but I think you guys are debating a red herring here.
Can't you find just about ANYTHING in that book? To include many, many internal contradictions?
I understand that it contains a creation myth that many subscribe to, and this is what this thread has evolved into (har har)- a Creation v. Evolution redux.
I guess I'm trying to say that a book of myth and fable, written by confused men over centuries, rife with contradiction, seems like a pretty silly thing to hold up as Exhibit A against a deep, wide scientific theory backed by literally mounds of physical evidence.
More bluntly, I'm calling BS on the entire premise of Bible Creationist v. Evolution debate. It's like putting a book of poetry against Newtonian physics. Sillyness on the face of it.
Now, if one views the Bible as an allegory; a telling of the human creatures' emergence as an intellectual and spiritual animal, then on philosophical grounds it's interesting to look at how people saw themselves, and the world around them, at a time when we were "waking up".
But Bible v. Science is no contest.
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derby_dude, You are the only person that I have ever known who calls modern evolutionary science a lie. I think your Bible Christianity makes you bias and prejudice. In case you haven't discovered it yet, I can help you. We all have a bias. We all interpret the same evidence from our world view resulting from our biases. I used to be an atheistic evolutionist. Some facts by an evolutionist cause me to doubt my atheism. It was so devestating to my psyche I consulted a shrink. Eventually I started believing in Infinite Intelegent Energy. Finally I became a Christian and read the Bible to discover my new bias. I concluded if God is Infinite, then He is able to protect His Word. Therefore I read it in the same manner I read the posts here.
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Jeff_O, But Bible v. Science is no contest. In your limited darkened mind, you think it is modern man against aceint ignoramasus. Perhaps you didn't know it but all the scientist who brought us out of the dark ages were Bible creationist. They believe God made a stable universe so that laws could be discovered. The evolutionist has to borrow from the Bible world view in order to do science. There are many PhD scientist who became creationists after they earned thier doctrates. Because you call "BS" means nothing to the debate.
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I guess I'm trying to say that a book of myth and fable, written by confused men over centuries, rife with contradiction, seems like a pretty silly thing to hold up as Exhibit A against a deep, wide scientific theory backed by literally mounds of physical evidence.
Are you describing the Bible or your collection of posts?!
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Jeff_O,
There are many PhD scientist who became creationists after they earned thier doctrates. Because you call "BS" means nothing to the debate.
"many" is probably an overstatement. The last decent estimate I have seen is that in the US about 98.5% of life scientists in the US believe in evolution. Remember that that is in the US where belief is in creationism is much higher than in europe and asia. In my time in science starting in 1992 I have yet to meet a Ph.D level biologist that did not believe in evolution.
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noknees,
If you want to know what happens to someone who even asks about creation, rent the movie "EXPELLED". Any scientist or professor who accedently or purposely hints at creation looses thier job. Don't give me cleche's, rent the movie. You know, it's like be informed before you argue.
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Some modern scientists who have accepted the biblical account of creation
Dr. William Arion, Biochemistry, Chemistry
Dr. Paul Ackerman, Psychologist
Dr. E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics
Dr. Steve Austin, Geologist
Dr. S.E. Aw, Biochemist
Dr. Thomas Barnes, Physicist
Dr. Geoff Barnard, Immunologist
Dr. Don Batten, Plant Physiologist
Dr. John Baumgardner, Electrical Engineering, Space Physicist, Geophysicist, expert in supercomputer modeling of plate tectonics
Dr. Jerry Bergman, Psychologist
Dr. Kimberly Berrine, Microbiology & Immunology
Prof. Vladimir Betina, Microbiology, Biochemistry & Biology
Dr. Andrew Bosanquet, Biology, Microbiology
Edward A. Boudreaux, Theoretical Chemistry
Dr. David R. Boylan, Chemical Engineer
Prof. Linn E. Carothers, Associate Professor of Statistics
Dr. Rob Carter, Marine Biology
Dr. David Catchpoole, Plant Physiology
Prof. Sung-Do Cha, Physics
Dr. Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics
Dr. Choong-Kuk Chang, Genetic Engineering
Prof. Jeun-Sik Chang, Aeronautical Engineering
Dr. Donald Chittick, Physical Chemist
Prof. Chung-Il Cho, Biology Education
Dr. John M. Cimbala, Mechanical Engineering
Dr. Harold Coffin, Palaeontologist
Dr. Bob Compton, DVM
Dr. Ken Cumming, Biologist
Dr. Jack W. Cuozzo, Dentist
Dr. William M. Curtis III, Th.D., Th.M., M.S., Aeronautics & Nuclear Physics
Dr. Malcolm Cutchins, Aerospace Engineering
Dr. Lionel Dahmer, Analytical Chemist
Dr. Raymond V. Damadian, M.D., Pioneer of magnetic resonance imaging
Dr. Chris Darnbrough, Biochemist
Dr. Nancy M. Darrall, Botany
Dr. Bryan Dawson, Mathematics
Dr. Douglas Dean, Biological Chemistry
Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education
Dr. David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience
Dr. Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics, M.Div
Dr. Geoff Downes, Creationist Plant Physiologist
Dr. Ted Driggers, Operations research
Robert H. Eckel, Medical Research
Dr. Andr� Eggen, Geneticist
Dr. Dudley Eirich, Molecular Biologist
Prof. Dennis L. Englin, Professor of Geophysics
Prof. Danny Faulkner, Astronomy
Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology
Prof. Dwain L. Ford, Organic Chemistry
Prof. Robert H. Franks, Associate Professor of Biology
Dr. Alan Galbraith, Watershed Science
Dr. Paul Giem, Medical Research
Dr. Maciej Giertych, Geneticist
Dr. Duane Gish, Biochemist
Dr. Werner Gitt, Information Scientist
Dr. Warwick Glover, General Surgeon
Dr. D.B. Gower, Biochemistry
Dr. Robin Greer, Chemist, History
Dr. Stephen Grocott, Chemist
Dr. Donald Hamann, Food Scientist
Dr. Barry Harker, Philosopher
Dr. Charles W. Harrison, Applied Physicist, Electromagnetics
Dr. John Hartnett, Physics
Dr. Mark Harwood, Engineering (satellite specialist)
Dr. George Hawke, Environmental Scientist
Dr. Margaret Helder, Science Editor, Botanist
Dr. Harold R. Henry, Engineer
Dr. Jonathan Henry, Astronomy
Dr. Joseph Henson, Entomologist
Dr. Robert A. Herrmann, Professor of Mathematics, US Naval Academy
Dr. Andrew Hodge, Head of the Cardiothoracic Surgical Service
Dr. Kelly Hollowell, Molecular and Cellular Pharmacologist
Dr. Ed Holroyd, III, Atmospheric Science
Dr. Bob Hosken, Biochemistry
Dr. George F. Howe, Botany
Dr. Neil Huber, Physical Anthropologist
Dr. James A. Huggins, Professor and Chair, Department of Biology
Dr. Russ Humphreys, Physics
Evan Jamieson, Hydrometallurgy
George T. Javor, Biochemistry
Dr. Pierre Jerlstr�m, Molecular Biology
Dr. Arthur Jones, Biology
Dr. Jonathan W. Jones, Plastic Surgeon
Dr. Raymond Jones, Agricultural Scientist
Prof. Leonid Korochkin, Molecular Biology
Dr. Valery Karpounin, Mathematical Sciences, Logics, Formal Logics
Dr. Dean Kenyon, Biologist
Prof. Gi-Tai Kim, Biology
Prof. Harriet Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jong-Bai Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jung-Han Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jung-Wook Kim, Environmental Science
Prof. Kyoung-Rai Kim, Analytical Chemistry
Prof. Kyoung-Tai Kim, Genetic Engineering
Prof. Young-Gil Kim, Materials Science
Prof. Young In Kim, Engineering
Dr. John W. Klotz, Biologist
Dr. Vladimir F. Kondalenko, Cytology/Cell Pathology
Dr. Leonid Korochkin, M.D., Genetics, Molecular Biology, Neurobiology
Dr. John K.G. Kramer, Biochemistry
Dr. Johan Kruger, Zoology
Prof. Jin-Hyouk Kwon, Physics
Prof. Myung-Sang Kwon, Immunology
Dr. John Leslie, Biochemist
Dr. Jason Lisle, Astrophysicist
Dr. Alan Love, Chemist
Dr. Ian Macreadie, molecular biologist and microbiologist:
Dr. John Marcus, Molecular Biologist
Dr. Ronald C. Marks, Associate Professor of Chemistry
Dr. George Marshall, Eye Disease Researcher
Dr. Ralph Matthews, Radiation Chemist
Dr. John McEwan, Chemist
Prof. Andy McIntosh, Combustion theory, aerodynamics
Dr. David Menton, Anatomist
Dr. Angela Meyer, Creationist Plant Physiologist
Dr. John Meyer, Physiologist
Dr. Albert Mills, Animal Embryologist/Reproductive Physiologist
Colin W. Mitchell, Geography
Dr. Tommy Mitchell, Physician
Dr. John N. Moore, Science Educator
Dr. John W. Moreland, Mechanical engineer and Dentist
Dr. Henry M. Morris (1918�2006), founder of the Institute for Creation Research.
Dr. Arlton C. Murray, Paleontologist
Dr. John D. Morris, Geologist
Dr. Len Morris, Physiologist
Dr. Graeme Mortimer, Geologist
Dr. Terry Mortenson, History of Geology
Stanley A. Mumma, Architectural Engineering
Prof. Hee-Choon No, Nuclear Engineering
Dr. Eric Norman, Biomedical researcher
Dr. David Oderberg, Philosopher
Prof. John Oller, Linguistics
Prof. Chris D. Osborne, Assistant Professor of Biology
Dr. John Osgood, Medical Practitioner
Dr. Charles Pallaghy, Botanist
Dr. Gary E. Parker, Biologist, Cognate in Geology (Paleontology)
Dr. David Pennington, Plastic Surgeon
Prof. Richard Porter
Dr. Georgia Purdom, Molecular Genetics
Dr. John Rankin, Cosmologist
Dr. A.S. Reece, M.D.
Prof. J. Rendle-Short, Pediatrics
Dr. Jung-Goo Roe, Biology
Dr. David Rosevear, Chemist
Dr. Ariel A. Roth, Biology
Dr. Jonathan Sarfati, Physical Chemistry
Dr. Joachim Scheven Palaeontologist:
Dr. Ian Scott, Educator
Dr. Saami Shaibani, Forensic physicist
Dr. Young-Gi Shim, Chemistry
Prof. Hyun-Kil Shin, Food Science
Dr. Mikhail Shulgin, Physics
Dr. Emil Silvestru, Geology
Dr. Roger Simpson, Engineer
Dr. Harold Slusher, Geophysicist
Dr. E. Norbert Smith, Zoologist
Arthur E. Wilder-Smith (1915�1995) Three science doctorates; a creation science pioneer
Dr. Andrew Snelling, Geologist
Prof. Man-Suk Song, Computer Science
Dr. Timothy G. Standish, Biology
Prof. James Stark, Assistant Professor of Science Education
Prof. Brian Stone, Engineer
Dr. Esther Su, Biochemistry
Dr. Charles Taylor, Linguistics
Dr. Stephen Taylor, Electrical Engineering
Dr. Ker C. Thomson, Geophysics
Dr. Michael Todhunter, Forest Genetics
Dr. Lyudmila Tonkonog, Chemistry/Biochemistry
Dr. Royal Truman, Organic Chemist:
Dr. Larry Vardiman, Atmospheric Science
Prof. Walter Veith, Zoologist
Dr. Joachim Vetter, Biologist
Sir Cecil P. G. Wakeley (1892�1979) Surgeon
Dr. Tas Walker, Geology/Engineering
Dr. Jeremy Walter, Mechanical Engineer
Dr. Keith Wanser, Physicist
Dr. Noel Weeks, Ancient Historian (also has B.Sc. in Zoology)
Dr. A.J. Monty White, Chemistry/Gas Kinetics
Dr. John Whitmore, Geologist/Paleontologist
Dr. Carl Wieland, Medicine/Surgery
Dr. Clifford Wilson, Psycholinguist and archaeologist
Dr. Kurt Wise, Palaeontologist
Prof. Verna Wright, Rheumatologist (deceased 1997)
Prof. Seoung-Hoon Yang, Physics
Dr. Thomas (Tong Y.) Yi, Ph.D., Creationist Aerospace & Mechanical Engineering
Dr. Ick-Dong Yoo, Genetics
Dr. Sung-Hee Yoon, Biology
Dr. Patrick Young, Chemist and Materials Scientist
Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography
Dr. Henry Zuill, Biology
Is there evidence of discrimination against creation scientists?
Contemporary suppression of the theistic worldview
Do creation scientists publish in secular journals?
Do creationists publish in notable refereed journals?
Bias in higher education
Peer pressure and truth
Revolutionary Atmospheric Invention by Victim of Anti-creationist Discrimination
Science magazine refuses to hire creationist
Which scientists of the past believed in a Creator?
As far as we know, the scientists of the past listed here believed in a literal Genesis unless indicated with an asterisk. The ones who did not are nevertheless included in the list below because of their general belief in the creator God of the Bible and opposition to evolution. But because the idea that the earth is �millions of years� old has been disastrous in the long run, no present day �long-agers� are included intentionally, because we submit that they should know better.
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Francis Bacon (1561�1626) Scientific method. However, see also
Culture Wars:
Galileo Galilei (1564�1642) (WOH) Physics, Astronomy (see also The Galileo affair: history or heroic hagiography?
Johann Kepler (1571�1630) (WOH) Scientific astronomy
Athanasius Kircher (1601�1680) Inventor
John Wilkins (1614�1672)
Walter Charleton (1619�1707) President of the Royal College of Physicians
Blaise Pascal (biography page) and article from Creation magazine (1623�1662) Hydrostatics; Barometer
Sir William Petty (1623 �1687) Statistics; Scientific economics
Robert Boyle (1627�1691) (WOH) Chemistry; Gas dynamics
John Ray (1627�1705) Natural history
Isaac Barrow (1630�1677) Professor of Mathematics
Nicolas Steno (1631�1686) Stratigraphy
Thomas Burnet (1635�1715) Geology
Increase Mather (1639�1723) Astronomy
Nehemiah Grew (1641�1712) Medical Doctor, Botany
The Age of Newton
Isaac Newton (1642�1727) (WOH) Dynamics; Calculus; Gravitation law; Reflecting telescope; Spectrum of light (wrote more about the Bible than science, and emphatically affirmed a Creator. Some have accused him of Arianism, but it�s likely he held to a heterodox form of the Trinity�See Pfizenmaier, T.C., Was Isaac Newton an Arian? Journal of the History of Ideas 68(1):57�80, 1997)
Gottfried Wilhelm Leibnitz (1646�1716) Mathematician
John Flamsteed (1646�1719) Greenwich Observatory Founder; Astronomy
William Derham (1657�1735) Ecology
Cotton Mather (1662�1727) Physician
John Harris (1666�1719) Mathematician
John Woodward (1665�1728) Paleontology
William Whiston (1667�1752) Physics, Geology
John Hutchinson (1674�1737) Paleontology
Johathan Edwards (1703�1758) Physics, Meteorology
Carolus Linneaus (1707�1778) Taxonomy; Biological classification system
Jean Deluc (1727�1817) Geology
Richard Kirwan (1733�1812) Mineralogy
William Herschel (1738�1822) Galactic astronomy; Uranus (probably believed in an old-earth)
James Parkinson (1755�1824) Physician (old-earth compromiser*)
John Dalton (1766�1844) Atomic theory; Gas law
John Kidd, M.D. (1775�1851) Chemical synthetics (old-earth compromiser*)
Just Before Darwin
The 19th Century Scriptural Geologists, by Dr. Terry Mortenson
Timothy Dwight (1752�1817) Educator
William Kirby (1759�1850) Entomologist
Jedidiah Morse (1761�1826) Geographer
Benjamin Barton (1766�1815) Botanist; Zoologist
John Dalton (1766�1844) Father of the Modern Atomic Theory; Chemistry
Georges Cuvier (1769�1832) Comparative anatomy, paleontology (old-earth compromiser*)
Samuel Miller (1770�1840) Clergy
Charles Bell (1774�1842) Anatomist
John Kidd (1775�1851) Chemistry
Humphrey Davy (1778�1829) Thermokinetics; Safety lamp
Benjamin Silliman (1779�1864) Mineralogist (old-earth compromiser*)
Peter Mark Roget (1779�1869) Physician; Physiologist
Thomas Chalmers (1780�1847) Professor (old-earth compromiser*)
David Brewster (1781�1868) Optical mineralogy, Kaleidoscope (probably believed in an old-earth)
William Buckland (1784�1856) Geologist (old-earth compromiser*)
William Prout (1785�1850) Food chemistry (probably believed in an old-earth)
Adam Sedgwick (1785�1873) Geology (old-earth compromiser*)
Michael Faraday (1791�1867) (WOH) Electro magnetics; Field theory, Generator
Samuel F.B. Morse (1791�1872) Telegraph
John Herschel (1792�1871) Astronomy (old-earth compromiser*)
Edward Hitchcock (1793�1864) Geology (old-earth compromiser*)
William Whewell (1794�1866) Anemometer (old-earth compromiser*)
Joseph Henry (1797�1878) Electric motor; Galvanometer
Just After Darwin
Richard Owen (1804�1892) Zoology; Paleontology (old-earth compromiser*)
Matthew Maury (1806�1873) Oceanography, Hydrography (probably believed in an old-earth*)
Louis Agassiz (1807�1873) Glaciology, Ichthyology (old-earth compromiser, polygenist*)
Henry Rogers (1808�1866) Geology
James Glaisher (1809�1903) Meteorology
Philip H. Gosse (1810�1888) Ornithologist; Zoology
Sir Henry Rawlinson (1810�1895) Archeologist
James Simpson (1811�1870) Gynecology, Anesthesiology
James Dana (1813�1895) Geology (old-earth compromiser*)
Sir Joseph Henry Gilbert (1817�1901) Agricultural Chemist
James Joule (1818�1889) Thermodynamics
Thomas Anderson (1819�1874) Chemist
Charles Piazzi Smyth (1819�1900) Astronomy
George Stokes (1819�1903) Fluid Mechanics
John William Dawson (1820�1899) Geology (probably believed in an old-earth*)
Rudolph Virchow (1821�1902) Pathology
Gregor Mendel (1822�1884) (WOH) Genetics
Louis Pasteur (1822�1895) (WOH) Bacteriology, Biochemistry; Sterilization; Immunization
Henri Fabre (1823�1915) Entomology of living insects
William Thompson, Lord Kelvin (1824�1907) Energetics; Absolute temperatures; Atlantic cable (believed in an older earth than the Bible indicates, but far younger than the evolutionists wanted*)
William Huggins (1824�1910) Astral spectrometry
Bernhard Riemann (1826�1866) Non-Euclidean geometries
Joseph Lister (1827�1912) Antiseptic surgery
Balfour Stewart (1828�1887) Ionospheric electricity
James Clerk Maxwell (1831�1879) (WOH) Electrodynamics; Statistical thermodynamics
P.G. Tait (1831�1901) Vector analysis
John Bell Pettigrew (1834�1908) Anatomist; Physiologist
John Strutt, Lord Rayleigh (1842�1919) Similitude; Model Analysis; Inert Gases
Sir William Abney (1843�1920) Astronomy
Alexander MacAlister (1844�1919) Anatomy
A.H. Sayce (1845�1933) Archeologist
John Ambrose Fleming (1849�1945) Electronics; Electron tube; Thermionic valve
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Dr. Clifford Burdick, Geologist
George Washington Carver (1864�1943) Inventor
L. Merson Davies (1890�1960) Geology; Paleontology
Douglas Dewar (1875�1957) Ornithologist
Howard A. Kelly (1858�1943) Gynecology
Paul Lemoine (1878�1940) Geology
Dr. Frank Marsh, Biology
Dr. John Mann, Agriculturist, biological control pioneer
Edward H. Maunder (1851�1928) Astronomy
William Mitchell Ramsay (1851�1939) Archeologist
William Ramsay (1852�1916) Isotopic chemistry, Element transmutation
Charles Stine (1882�1954) Organic Chemist
Dr. Arthur Rendle-Short (1885�1955) Surgeon
Dr. Larry Butler, Biochemist
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noknees,
If you want to know what happens to someone who even asks about creation, rent the movie "EXPELLED". Any scientist or professor who accedently or purposely hints at creation looses thier job. Don't give me cleche's, rent the movie. You know, it's like be informed before you argue. I see that its at Net flix, Ill take a look but its contrary to my experience. In my experience scientists that provide evidence contrary to dogma are very well received IF there works stands up to review and scruitny. In fact some of the most highly regarded biologists are ones who went against the grain. I could site many examples of this, and for each one there is a case where someone announces something that doesn't stand up to review. In science if you make a claim and it turns out to be grossly unsupported it will cost in terms of funding etc. Do it a a couple of times and you be ostracized. Back when I was working in the lab, our group tested and repeated some of the results of Andy Fire and Craig Mello, who basicly set entire field of gene regulation on its head. When there results were first announced there were many sceptics, more so because Andy was not a long established investigator. Did Andy and Craig's work receive a very very close look? yes, but once a few dozen labs tested and confirmed their work the change to Dogma was accepted. Craig and Andy won the 2006 Nobel
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Equal to a million years? Hows come them bacteria's weren't walking by then? Heck, at least crawlin around. Was them short bus e. coli? ![[Linked Image]](http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/images/smilies/other_beatingA_DeadHorse.gif)
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noknees,
Some modern scientists who have accepted the biblical account of creation
Its a pretty small list when you consider the 3.5 million or so Life Scientists. I see at the bottom of the list you say that Science magazine won't hire a person who believes in creationsim is there any reference for this?
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Jeff, if you're referring to me, you're way off base. I'm the guy who started this thread. I fully accept the reality of evolution by natural selection. In fact, I have always found the subject fascinating, and its evidentiary support compelling in the extreme. I also believe the Bible to be the inspired and inerrant word of God (not a book of ancient myths). After many years of studying both subjects, I find no contradiction.
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Jeff, if you're referring to me, you're way off base. I'm the guy who started this thread. I fully accept the reality of evolution by natural selection. In fact, I have always found the subject fascinating, and its evidentiary support compelling in the extreme. I also believe the Bible to be the inspired and inerrant word of God (not a book of ancient myths). After many years of studying both subjects, I find no contradiction. Many scientists think this way because there evolution says nothing about the existence of God. The two are not mutually exclusive. John
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