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With growing populations and the rush of rifle hunters entering archery season with cross guns, season will be reduced to 2 weeks or less. Archery harvests will go up and ml and rifles hunters will complain and demand a shortening of archery season. All due to the fact rifle hunters are too lazy to practice shooting a bow. I love our entitlement culture.

I guess that is why NY is a bankrupt state

ribka you have it pretty much right. However wouldn't have added that Ny is a bankrupt state. There are many states that fall into that catagory. Plus many more that would be if the Fed's stopped the handouts.

For handicap in NH it's the Xbow. If I want to use a Xbow I pay a fee for a Xbow tag and get to use it during the regular rifle season. But ! If I shoot a deer with the Xbow I must use my gun tag as the Xbow has a trigger. I've carried for 2 seasons. It's a pain in the azz. You can't walk around all day with it cocked. Spot & stalk forget it as the deer watches you trying to cock the darn thing. I'll stick with my regular archery equipment.

Ken

Does anybody have supportive, research based information that crossbows have an adverse impact on deer populations..? I hunted with a crossbow for the first time last year. At 65 I can pull back any production bow... I was just interested. I did hunt with a bow 40 years in NY. I did not shoot a deer with a crossbow, because I did not have one come within 30 yards.... Same as a bow! I do feel that when a close shot presents itself, I can make a consistantly more accurate shot, because I can stabilize the crossbow better. I don't feel crossbows have more knock down power. The arrows from a crossbow don't penetrate as far as my compound arrows, in my target! I think that the problem with crossbows in NY, is that bowhunter orgs. have a large listening base in the DEC. Just look at how quickly they were able to shoot down the DEC proposal for an early muzzleloader season!

I say, if you rule out the crossbow, rule out the compound bow. I just don't see how one is ok and the other isn't.

one has a mechanical locking device the other does not.

The "other" just has mechanical advantage and mechanical release.

J

None of that happened in other states that legalized crossbows so there's no reason to believe it would happen in NY.

Not all compound hunters use a release. The mechanical advantage of a compound is not a locking device. Look up archery reg's for many states and you will find that a legal bow may not have a locking device.

I don't have a problem with crossbows or having a season for them. I have a problem having crossbows being used for the archery season. Crossbows are very different then compound, long, and recurve bows. Just as a muzzle loader is different then a centerfire or rimfire rifle.

Crossbows have more in common with "traditional" archery than compounds do.....

Just sayin...

No they really don't. How long something has been around has nothing to do with how one is used.

Again, where is the research indicating crossbows have an adverse impact on deer populations, and ruin compound bow seasons? When I return home to NY, to enjoy a few days deer hunting, I notice a dramatic decline of folks afield, with each passing year... You would think Sportsmen, would like to get current and future hunters, interested with more options, including a crossbow in archery season, as well as the proposed DEC early muzzleloader season, than hanging out in malls!

True, but crossbows have been used to hunt with since their inception....

Where did I say that it had any impact or not on deer???????????

In CT you can use a bow in the rifle season, but not a rifle in the bow season. Common sense says lesser weapon can step up in season, greater weapon can not step down. As it should be.

No personally I don't want more yahoo's in the woods specially with crossbows. The problem with them is everyone thinks they can just pick one up and go out hunting. Crossbows to most are a novality. Were bows are taken serious by those that use them. There are a select few that my statement doesn't pertain to. Those select few agree that crossbows should either have their own season, or step up into rifle/shotgun/muzzle loader.

Really? What are you like 12 or something? How long something has been around means nothing. Slaves were used to build a lot of America and farm crops, I am thinking you will have a really hard time selling that slavery was around for a long time so it is ok.

Wow! That analogy isn't even close to accurate! Don't get your panties in a wad just because I stated a simple fact. Yes, crossbows HAVE been used to hunt with since their inception. They have also been used for warfare. Kind of like rifles today. They get used in both aspects.

In this case how long it has been around AND the fact it has been used to hunt with for it's entire history, DOES mean something. Maybe you're too slow to put 2 and 2 together, so I'll do it for you.

You argue that crossbows and bows are analogous to rifles and bows. That you can use bows during rifle season but not the other way around. You can take the "lower" into the "higher" but not the other way around. It's a fair argument but it doesn't hold water with talking about bows and crossbows. The reason is, the compound bow is a more lethal, complex, advanced platform than crossbows are. Your stance doesn't hold up in this argument.

Most arguments over this, have had to do with traditional archery vs non-traditional. Many have tried (and on this thread) to say that crossbows are not traditional archery tools. That's just simply not true. They are, and have been long before the compound bow came to be. That too means something.

"Crossbows to most are a novelty" was your quote. Really!? How can you possibly know this? That's like saying that guys that hunt with an AR platform rifle are not true sportsmen and have no business hunting with them during rifle season. I'd challenge that stance and say that most sportsmen aren't redneck, hillbilly, irresponsible morons, like you are painting them to be. They take their tools seriously, as well as their sport.

No State where crossbows are legal has had any problems with overcrowding during archery season due to crossbow encroachment. The States where legal, you really don't get very many that even hunt with them, though they are allowed to. Why? The glorious compound bow is just much more bang for your buck. Faster "reloads" more power, easier to use.

Crossbows kill ethically and are safe to use, and that should be the primary concern in the woods. Other than that, as a Sportsman, I'd think the freedom to use ethical equipment should be something to be championed, not chastised. It's about freedom. But, that's NY for you.

You have got to be kidding me!!!! Hunting seasons(other then migatory birds and some have gotten longer) have been getting longer and that is a fact. no season has been shortened in a lifetime,I live in the adirondacks and by the time the southern tier opens the woods are nearly empty.I don't hunt soutern till the 3rd week, haven't seen anyone in 3 years especially during the week. Most Bow hunting in the southern tier happens on private land. If the landowners don't want the xbow the people will regulate it. As far as public land let the state decide. Thats what we pay them for.I'm for more oppertunities.

Good post and right on the money !

Crossbows are easier to shoot. So that alone takes them out of the catagory of compounds, recurves, and long bows. Yes I have seen first hand in more then one state the mass of crossbow shooters are yahoo's. You can go on and on about what you think is old holds merit. While your at it you should hug yourself.

Has anybody tried that $750 digital read out lasar range finder, that is designed to be affixed to compound bows? How bout' the variable intensity fiber optic, light sensitive sight for low light.... also designed for compounds. Or the nearly 2 grand Matthews, with all the fancy engineering words, 85% letoff, Scott high tech trigger release, of a space age woven mylar / kevlar / quick response string! I could go on and on. But, a better question as opposed to crossbows, are these accessories / factory standard things, legal in NY's archery season, and crossbows not?