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With the number of breeding pairs down to 95 in Montana, Idaho and Wyoming (at more than 3 times the original goal), we continue to lose an incredible amount of livestock in addition to wildlife comsumed.

As of Dec. 8, wolves had killed at least 353 head of livestock, including guard dogs, in 2009, a rate of more than one per day. Officials with the Montana Department of Livestock add that for every confirmed wolf kill, they believe another seven cattle, sheep or horses are killed by wolves that aren�t found immediately and are fed on by other wild animals, so those deaths are known as unconfirmed kills.
http://billingsgazette.com/news/sta...3ba4dee-f82d-11de-8345-001cc4c03286.html

Move 'em to Central Park,NYC. That would warm the hearts of the idiots.

If we can trap and relocate problem bears, I don't see why we can't relocate some problem wolf packs to other states (Iowa?) to help with over population of deer as well as some selective culling of the old, sick etc.

If there is still some domestic sheep left in those states better import a few more wolves.

Oh?

Up here the timber wolves can run amuck in the winter on the deer and spring summer on livestock. They also try to lure domestic dogs as fodder as well in the winter. I shot one late last winter in my back yard. They are predaters plain and simple.
Randy

Besides relocating wolves to central park, also relocating them up BrentD's azz would be appropriate too, although ineffective (for someone so stoopid).

My Lord - Why didn't we think of this sooner?!?

MtHtr: I am happy you brought this ongoing horror story to everyones attention!
It IS absolutely HORRIFIC what the transplanted Canadian Wolves are doing to the domestic animals here in Montana (Wyoming and Idaho as well!) let alone the Big Game Animlas.
But I need to take issue with a couple of things from the Billings article!
First of all the latest census (summer 2,009) of Wolves puts the population in the tri-state area at just over 2,000 animals!!!
Remember we were "PROMISED" (by the green sons of bitches and daughters of whores who are running this fiasco!) that ONLY 325 Wolves total would be the population where in once reached the states could manage them at that number!
So much for the lies of the green sons of bitches and daughters of whores!!!
The other part of the equation is that the Wolves have apparently NOT reached a density where they have "dominant" breeding pairs as yet.
The Wolves are breeding on a "come one come all" basis!
Where in (according to the game biologists) ANY female is likely to become impregnated!
NOT just the dominant "couples" but any female may be breeding/reproducing.
Thus the incredible explosion in population from 50 Wolves in 1995 to over 2,000 in the summer of 2,009!
IMAGINE where we are gonna be in 2,018???
Our Bighorn Sheep, Moose and Elk populations are suffering to the extreme in MANY areas of Wyoming, Idaho and Montana right now!
And thats a damned shame!
We (as sportsmen!) worked LONG and HARD to establish our Elk herds (and Moose and Bighorn Sheep herds!) now those herds are simply going up in Wolf farts!
Sportsmen be careful, VERY CAREFUL who you vote for!
Thanks for nothing rmWf!
On a personal note: I know several members of the Konen family and the harm that has befallen them and their ranching operations (very near my home!) at the hands (paws and fangs!) of the transplanted Canadian Wolves is much worse than was relayed in that article.
This whole Canadian Wolf transplantation situation is an absolute tragedy.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Virgin territory. When the range is at capacity, only the alpha male and females will be breeding.

Jeez, Man, think of all that good fur! (Ours here, have canine lice- making their pelts mostly worthless after December or so....)

Boston Commons and S. California too - surely these were part of their original range?

Relocate the bastids to Texas, and get them accustomed to eating hogs.

Well, I don't know if I ever saw that target number before but there's surely more than 10x that number now................hell, I just read another thread where Wisconsin is estimating nearly 700 in that state.

Only (sadly) solution is that a few people need to get killed by them to raise the alarm level..........but maybe that wouldn't even do it.

MM

I remember a target number of 35 breeding pairs for the state Of MT. being spewed out...IIRC

There are easily ten times that number now...

Must be a reason they call them "target" numbers.......


Ingwe

The best "Entrenchment" of a woof comes via the second "S" !

Gents, if you get a minute check out www.lobowatch.com . I have met with Toby and we are working on starting a chapter of Sportsman For Wildlife. He has garnered some support from some of the hunting industry and is meeting with folks from the RMEF this week. It is time to take a stand on the wolf issue and let the fish and game know we are fed up! Casey

No no no no no, the cursed things wouldn't stay on the south side of the Red River and we've only recently gotten good deer populations up here.


On the other hand, the hogs might get accustomed to eating wolves.

I had hoped Idaho would have had more Wolf kills by now with 140 down and 80 to go.The units that need it the worst just are not getting the quota's filled or maybe the Wolves have just moved on following the Elk.

The Wolf re-intro was a sad day for sportsmen/campers and outdoors men not to mention the ranchers and farmers.I doubt it will ever be the same in my lifetime.

Jayco

So lets say we poison all the grizzlies in Alaska? Would it not be a bit diminshed? A little less wonderfull.........
So why is Montana and Idaho better without wolves and a safe place for cows and sheep?
Now that you are finally able to hunt these wolves I hope there is more tollerance for a fantatic animal.