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My only complaint is their web site lists a 450 Nitro Express: as I have said before here at the campfire - which one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.450_Nitro_Express this site expresses it well, ".450 Nitro Express is a name given to several cartridges designed for the purpose of hunting large game such as elephant, not just one specific cartridge." A minor issue, but heck this is a campfire discussion. Thanks for the kudos, siskiyous6. Mods, if you feel this post violates board rules in any way, please feel free to remove. We've come a long way since the 1st conversion(s) ... but still learning about the intricacies of all of the "big game" calibers. Thanks for the heads up. I'll be going to educate myself about the .450 NE differences since you've pointed this out. Unlike some of the other folks out there, you all seem to understand that these are custom made and regulated barrels attached to the CZ factory monoblock. ![[Linked Image]](http://www.clarkcustomguns.com/images/DoubleGun/Img_8556.jpg) Renee
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Renee,
How much does a 30-40 weigh? Is it made on the 20 gauge or 28 gauge frame? Are any made on the 28? Could you make a 30-40 or 30-30 on the 28? Thanks.
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It is no Searcy & Co. And surely not an American made gun. One thing I would not skimp on if buying and really needing and planning to use would be a dangerous game rifle.
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I have owned and used Clark Custom Guns for over forty years. Jimbo was a young man when I started doing business with his daddy, Mr. Jim Clark. Jimbo grew into a fine man, shooter, gunsmith and businessman. He has continued to surrond himself with fine people that only know how to build excellent firearms. Renee is a long time employee, extremely competitive shooter, not to mention a nice person to do business with, anytime.
I am too old for one of these but I will go by the shop to handle one.
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A 303British would be very cool in one of those. Nice rifles.
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Not my cup of tea, but break a leg guys.
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Did you see the Sabatti 9.3 X 74R at the East Hartford Cabelas? The wood is spectacular in its figure. Almost too good? The metal fit seems good and its only $2900 or so. The wood looks something like this one. Wood on Sabatti double rifle True the pad is weak and "opto wood" is carved into the pistol grip.
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Especially fond of doubles be they shotguns or rifles. Offered as constructive criticism: A fine bit of work at what appears to be bargain prices, but the sights need to be refined. Boxy, chunky, presenting as afterthoughts on an otherwise esthetically pleasing gun.
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I have to agree with Dan. The front sight bases and the quarter ribs seem very unattractive to me.
Also, I'd have another look at IMG_8557 on the web pages. It's probably the photographer's fault, but on my monitor the lock work appears rough and unfinished.
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Renee,
How much does a 30-40 weigh? Is it made on the 20 gauge or 28 gauge frame? Are any made on the 28? Could you make a 30-40 or 30-30 on the 28? Thanks.
Sorry, don't know - haven't built one in that caliber yet. Jim said he'd build it on a 28 Gauge. It is no Searcy & Co. And surely not an American made gun. One thing I would not skimp on if buying and really needing and planning to use would be a dangerous game rifle. Absolutely nobody has a better regulation that us and the owner's personal .405 has at least 400 rounds of 400 grain @2100 fps through it. A 303British would be very cool in one of those. Nice rifles.
. We'll do it. Jim says anything with a Rim Especially fond of doubles be they shotguns or rifles. Offered as constructive criticism: A fine bit of work at what appears to be bargain prices, but the sights need to be refined. Boxy, chunky, presenting as afterthoughts on an otherwise esthetically pleasing gun. Thanks for the constructive criticism... Tell us what sights you want and we'll put them on it.
I have to agree with Dan. The front sight bases and the quarter ribs seem very unattractive to me.
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[quote=MontanaCreekHunter]It is no Searcy & Co. And surely not an American made gun. One thing I would not skimp on if buying and really needing and planning to use would be a dangerous game rifle.
Absolutely nobody has a better regulation that us and the owner's personal .405 has at least 400 rounds of 400 grain @2100 fps through it. Those are some big words and I would have to raise the BS flag to that and might want to put on my chest waders. Nobody?????? Really????? So you are saying that a modified CZ is better then a B. Searcy & Co., Holland & Holland, and all the other British best?????? I am not buying that nor the rifle.
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Renee,
How much does a 30-40 weigh? Is it made on the 20 gauge or 28 gauge frame? Are any made on the 28? Could you make a 30-40 or 30-30 on the 28? Thanks.
Sorry, don't know - haven't built one in that caliber yet. Jim said he'd build it on a 28 Gauge. It is no Searcy & Co. And surely not an American made gun. One thing I would not skimp on if buying and really needing and planning to use would be a dangerous game rifle. Absolutely nobody has a better regulation that us and the owner's personal .405 has at least 400 rounds of 400 grain @2100 fps through it. A 303British would be very cool in one of those. Nice rifles.
. We'll do it. Jim says anything with a Rim Especially fond of doubles be they shotguns or rifles. Offered as constructive criticism: A fine bit of work at what appears to be bargain prices, but the sights need to be refined. Boxy, chunky, presenting as afterthoughts on an otherwise esthetically pleasing gun. Thanks for the constructive criticism... Tell us what sights you want and we'll put them on it.
I have to agree with Dan. The front sight bases and the quarter ribs seem very unattractive to me.
No quarter rib... Ours is all ONE piece! All one piece or not it can be moved and reshaped. A point made early on in the thread mentioned the position of the rear sight. Occurs to me that I'd prefer it further forward. The thing that makes British doubles so delightful is their handling and geometry in my opinion. High sights tend to raise the cheek off the comb all else being equal and does not lend to natural pointing, again in my opinion. Lots of circumstances where this is irrelevant, but sometimes it is VERY relevant. Not asking you to duplicate this, just take a look at this one...thinking it illustrates my point. The image can be zoomed and moved. http://www.purdey.com/guns/double-rifles/
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Thanks for the reply, Renee. The reason I asked about the 28 gauge frame is because it is significantly lighter in weight than even the 20, and would make into a sweet little stalking rifle. Also, the 28 gauge does not have the cross-bolt lock found on the 20 and 12 gauge guns. The 28 latches only in the lumps/monoblock, whereas the 20 and 12 latch there PLUS the cross-bolt. I assume the 20 and 12 are stronger because of this, hence more desireable for larger calibers.
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Those are some big words and I would have to raise the BS flag to that and might want to put on my chest waders. Nobody?????? Really????? So you are saying that a modified CZ is better then a B. Searcy & Co., Holland & Holland, and all the other British best?????? I am not buying that nor the rifle. MCH, On what do you base your cynicism? Do you own any rifles by Searcy or Holland and Holland? CCGInc did not start this thread, not wanting to violate 24HCF policy, but graciously submitted to pointed questioning and responded with class. They are obviously proud of their products and accomplishments, as well they should be. They did not claim their rifle is "better" than any other.
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Absolutely nobody has a better regulation that us and the owner's personal .405 has at least 400 rounds of 400 grain @2100 fps through it. Renee, Are your barrels permanently connected? Or are they adjustable so the regulation can be changed "easily?"
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Have used two Searcy's, have shot a few Holland & Hollands, and used 1 Westley Richards. Not that it matters any, the human eye can clearly see that said gun isn't in the same ballpark as any others I mentioned. As I said before if and when a hunter really needs a double it is something that isn't worth skimping on. Hunters really don't need a double it is more a desire of times gone by. The person that needs the double is the PH, when you can show me a PH using that I will think about concidering it adaquate.
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Those are some big words and I would have to raise the BS flag to that and might want to put on my chest waders. Nobody?????? Really????? So you are saying that a modified CZ is better then a B. Searcy & Co., Holland & Holland, and all the other British best?????? I am not buying that nor the rifle.
Didn't say our gun was better. The guns you mention are fine weapons and admittedly have a better fit and finish than our guns, all I said was no one has better regulation than us. Jim invites you to stop by the shop any time and you can see for yourself. Jim's retired airplane mechanic (Gary Gullett) who builds these rifles is extremely meticulous. ![[Linked Image]](http://www.clarkcustomguns.com/images/DoubleGun/buffalo1tn.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://www.clarkcustomguns.com/images/people/GaryTN.jpg) Thanks for the reply, Renee. The reason I asked about the 28 gauge frame is because it is significantly lighter in weight than even the 20, and would make into a sweet little stalking rifle. Also, the 28 gauge does not have the cross-bolt lock found on the 20 and 12 gauge guns. The 28 latches only in the lumps/monoblock, whereas the 20 and 12 latch there PLUS the cross-bolt. I assume the 20 and 12 are stronger because of this, hence more desireable for larger calibers.
Jim says you are absolutely correct but the 30-40 is at a pressure level that he would choose the 28 Ga. as a platform and agrees with you completely about it being an awesome stalking rifle.
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All one piece or not it can be moved and reshaped. A point made early on in the thread mentioned the position of the rear sight. Occurs to me that I'd prefer it further forward. The thing that makes British doubles so delightful is their handling and geometry in my opinion. High sights tend to raise the cheek off the comb all else being equal and does not lend to natural pointing, again in my opinion. Lots of circumstances where this is irrelevant, but sometimes it is VERY relevant. Not asking you to duplicate this, just take a look at this one...thinking it illustrates my point. The image can be zoomed and moved. http://www.purdey.com/guns/double-rifles/ OOOh! Pretty. We can duplicate the profile (but not the snazzy receiver). Absolutely nobody has a better regulation that us and the owner's personal .405 has at least 400 rounds of 400 grain @2100 fps through it. Renee, Are your barrels permanently connected? Or are they adjustable so the regulation can be changed "easily?" Yes - they're permanently connected. We'll regulate to your specified factory load or your handload. Have used two Searcy's, have shot a few Holland & Hollands, and used 1 Westley Richards. Not that it matters any, the human eye can clearly see that said gun isn't in the same ballpark as any others I mentioned. As I said before if and when a hunter really needs a double it is something that isn't worth skimping on. Hunters really don't need a double it is more a desire of times gone by. The person that needs the double is the PH, when you can show me a PH using that I will think about concidering it adaquate. PH Mark Kyriacou of Big Game Safaris - Botswana is using the Clark .405 double rifle in the photo above (the one with the Cape Buffalo and our gunsmith).
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So have you shot every double made against your superior regulated barrels, using the same steps? I really don't think you have. Second I have yet to see your double win the stopping rifle comp's. You can claim whatever you want. Oh and is it an American made gun? No it is an import that you altered. Truth is you are building something on a CZ action which wouldn't be my choice for a dangerous game gun.
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The person that needs the double is the PH, when you can show me a PH using that I will think about concidering it adaquate. PH Mark Kyriacou of Big Game Safaris - Botswana is using the Clark .405 double rifle in the photo above (the one with the Cape Buffalo and our gunsmith). Thought this was settled... sounds like you just want to argue now.
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