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Has anyone seen/handled/used one of the new Clark Custom Guns double rifles ?

http://www.clarkcustomguns.com/DblRifle.html

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No, but that's very interesting. Not too sure I'm crazy about the rear sight being placed so far back, and they need to chamber the 9,3x74R, but it looks interesting. If they are going to be exhibiting at SCI I'll have to take a close look.


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Truth be told, I'm a little concerned about two things.

A straight/English grip on a DGR - i.e., controlability issues.

A comment I ran across elsewhere, that these are made on shotgun actions - which I don't know is true or false.

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Originally Posted by Rangr44
Truth be told, I'm a little concerned about two things.

A straight/English grip on a DGR - i.e., controlability issues.

A comment I ran across elsewhere, that these are made on shotgun actions - which I don't know is true or false.

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I zoomed in as best I could - that action looks VERY Huglu to me.


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What's that line around the barrels just a touch forward of the hinge pin?

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Originally Posted by tjm10025

What's that line around the barrels just a touch forward of the hinge pin?

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That's where the barrels are joined to the mono block. No Chopper Lump Barrel at this price point



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Interesting - I'd like to see one.

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Appears to be a Huglu/CZ shotgun conversion. Not a very nicely done monoblock/barrel joint. As MD observed, the rear sight is a bit rearward, and to me, the quarter rib is kinda short. Other than that, it looks pretty good! grin

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The front sight looks a bit odd to me too.

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I wonder if they'll make a drilling? I've been fascinated with those lately, and would buy one if I could get up the requisite amount of FRN$'s.


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Originally Posted by akjeff
the quarter rib is kinda short.


Maybe it's a 1/8th rib.


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the quarter rib is kinda short.


Maybe it's a 1/8th rib.


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Their shop isn't far from here and I've been there to have some work done on both a 1911 and a 10/22. Maybe I should go by and see if they one in stock.


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If the work is the same quality as that they did on my S&W 625, and the quality they are know for in all their work, it won't be long before we all wish we had gotten one when the prices were this low.

Good people doing good work, that's what I found at Clarks.

My only complaint is their web site lists a 450 Nitro Express: as I have said before here at the campfire - which one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.450_Nitro_Express this site expresses it well, ".450 Nitro Express is a name given to several cartridges designed for the purpose of hunting large game such as elephant, not just one specific cartridge."

A minor issue, but heck this is a campfire discussion.


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There is a link to a video on the website. Guns and Gear, link on the left side of the page.

Mr. Clark confirms the CZ shotgun conversion on the video. a 405 Win is fired five times. This rifle has a pistol grip and the sight appears much further away from the eye than the photo posted.

What caught my attention was a Clark hand load for the 405 with a 400 gr bullet @ 2,150 fps.


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Hmmmm.... A double .450-400 for around $5,000... Interesting!

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If it's a CZ shotgun conversion, should we refer to it as an "American-Made" Double Rifle?


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If it's coming out of Jimmy Clark's shop, I'll call it American grin

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That video with the 405 on a 20ga receiver was cool, I want one.


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Originally Posted by NathanL
Their shop isn't far from here and I've been there to have some work done on both a 1911 and a 10/22. Maybe I should go by and see if they one in stock.


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Originally Posted by siskiyous6

My only complaint is their web site lists a 450 Nitro Express: as I have said before here at the campfire - which one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.450_Nitro_Express this site expresses it well, ".450 Nitro Express is a name given to several cartridges designed for the purpose of hunting large game such as elephant, not just one specific cartridge."

A minor issue, but heck this is a campfire discussion.

Thanks for the kudos, siskiyous6.

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We've come a long way since the 1st conversion(s) ... but still learning about the intricacies of all of the "big game" calibers. Thanks for the heads up. I'll be going to educate myself about the .450 NE differences since you've pointed this out.

Unlike some of the other folks out there, you all seem to understand that these are custom made and regulated barrels attached to the CZ factory monoblock. [Linked Image]

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Renee,

How much does a 30-40 weigh? Is it made on the 20 gauge or 28 gauge frame? Are any made on the 28? Could you make a 30-40 or 30-30 on the 28? Thanks.


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It is no Searcy & Co. And surely not an American made gun. One thing I would not skimp on if buying and really needing and planning to use would be a dangerous game rifle.


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I have owned and used Clark Custom Guns for over forty years. Jimbo was a young man when I started doing business with his daddy, Mr. Jim Clark. Jimbo grew into a fine man, shooter, gunsmith and businessman. He has continued to surrond himself with fine people that only know how to build excellent firearms. Renee is a long time employee, extremely competitive shooter, not to mention a nice person to do business with, anytime.

I am too old for one of these but I will go by the shop to handle one.

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A 303British would be very cool in one of those. Nice rifles.


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Did you see the Sabatti 9.3 X 74R at the East Hartford Cabelas?

The wood is spectacular in its figure. Almost too good?

The metal fit seems good and its only $2900 or so.

The wood looks something like this one.

Wood on Sabatti double rifle

True the pad is weak and "opto wood" is carved into the pistol grip.



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Especially fond of doubles be they shotguns or rifles. Offered as constructive criticism: A fine bit of work at what appears to be bargain prices, but the sights need to be refined. Boxy, chunky, presenting as afterthoughts on an otherwise esthetically pleasing gun.


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I have to agree with Dan. The front sight bases and the quarter ribs seem very unattractive to me.

Also, I'd have another look at IMG_8557 on the web pages. It's probably the photographer's fault, but on my monitor the lock work appears rough and unfinished.

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Originally Posted by Big_Redhead
Renee,

How much does a 30-40 weigh? Is it made on the 20 gauge or 28 gauge frame? Are any made on the 28? Could you make a 30-40 or 30-30 on the 28? Thanks.

Sorry, don't know - haven't built one in that caliber yet. Jim said he'd build it on a 28 Gauge.

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It is no Searcy & Co. And surely not an American made gun. One thing I would not skimp on if buying and really needing and planning to use would be a dangerous game rifle.

Absolutely nobody has a better regulation that us and the owner's personal .405 has at least 400 rounds of 400 grain @2100 fps through it.

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A 303British would be very cool in one of those. Nice rifles.

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Especially fond of doubles be they shotguns or rifles. Offered as constructive criticism: A fine bit of work at what appears to be bargain prices, but the sights need to be refined. Boxy, chunky, presenting as afterthoughts on an otherwise esthetically pleasing gun.

Thanks for the constructive criticism... Tell us what sights you want and we'll put them on it.

Originally Posted by tjm10025

I have to agree with Dan. The front sight bases and the quarter ribs seem very unattractive to me.


No quarter rib... Ours is all ONE piece!


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Originally Posted by CCGInc


[quote=MontanaCreekHunter]It is no Searcy & Co. And surely not an American made gun. One thing I would not skimp on if buying and really needing and planning to use would be a dangerous game rifle.

Absolutely nobody has a better regulation that us and the owner's personal .405 has at least 400 rounds of 400 grain @2100 fps through it.

Those are some big words and I would have to raise the BS flag to that and might want to put on my chest waders. Nobody?????? Really????? So you are saying that a modified CZ is better then a B. Searcy & Co., Holland & Holland, and all the other British best?????? I am not buying that nor the rifle.


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Originally Posted by CCGInc
Originally Posted by Big_Redhead
Renee,

How much does a 30-40 weigh? Is it made on the 20 gauge or 28 gauge frame? Are any made on the 28? Could you make a 30-40 or 30-30 on the 28? Thanks.

Sorry, don't know - haven't built one in that caliber yet. Jim said he'd build it on a 28 Gauge.

Originally Posted by MontanaCreekHunter
It is no Searcy & Co. And surely not an American made gun. One thing I would not skimp on if buying and really needing and planning to use would be a dangerous game rifle.

Absolutely nobody has a better regulation that us and the owner's personal .405 has at least 400 rounds of 400 grain @2100 fps through it.

Originally Posted by SuperCub
A 303British would be very cool in one of those. Nice rifles.

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Especially fond of doubles be they shotguns or rifles. Offered as constructive criticism: A fine bit of work at what appears to be bargain prices, but the sights need to be refined. Boxy, chunky, presenting as afterthoughts on an otherwise esthetically pleasing gun.

Thanks for the constructive criticism... Tell us what sights you want and we'll put them on it.

Originally Posted by tjm10025

I have to agree with Dan. The front sight bases and the quarter ribs seem very unattractive to me.


No quarter rib... Ours is all ONE piece!


All one piece or not it can be moved and reshaped. A point made early on in the thread mentioned the position of the rear sight. Occurs to me that I'd prefer it further forward. The thing that makes British doubles so delightful is their handling and geometry in my opinion. High sights tend to raise the cheek off the comb all else being equal and does not lend to natural pointing, again in my opinion. Lots of circumstances where this is irrelevant, but sometimes it is VERY relevant.

Not asking you to duplicate this, just take a look at this one...thinking it illustrates my point. The image can be zoomed and moved.

http://www.purdey.com/guns/double-rifles/



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Thanks for the reply, Renee. The reason I asked about the 28 gauge frame is because it is significantly lighter in weight than even the 20, and would make into a sweet little stalking rifle. Also, the 28 gauge does not have the cross-bolt lock found on the 20 and 12 gauge guns. The 28 latches only in the lumps/monoblock, whereas the 20 and 12 latch there PLUS the cross-bolt. I assume the 20 and 12 are stronger because of this, hence more desireable for larger calibers.


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Originally Posted by MontanaCreekHunter
Those are some big words and I would have to raise the BS flag to that and might want to put on my chest waders. Nobody?????? Really????? So you are saying that a modified CZ is better then a B. Searcy & Co., Holland & Holland, and all the other British best?????? I am not buying that nor the rifle.


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On what do you base your cynicism? Do you own any rifles by Searcy or Holland and Holland? CCGInc did not start this thread, not wanting to violate 24HCF policy, but graciously submitted to pointed questioning and responded with class. They are obviously proud of their products and accomplishments, as well they should be. They did not claim their rifle is "better" than any other.


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Originally Posted by CCGInc
Absolutely nobody has a better regulation that us and the owner's personal .405 has at least 400 rounds of 400 grain @2100 fps through it.


Renee,

Are your barrels permanently connected? Or are they adjustable so the regulation can be changed "easily?"


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Have used two Searcy's, have shot a few Holland & Hollands, and used 1 Westley Richards. Not that it matters any, the human eye can clearly see that said gun isn't in the same ballpark as any others I mentioned. As I said before if and when a hunter really needs a double it is something that isn't worth skimping on. Hunters really don't need a double it is more a desire of times gone by. The person that needs the double is the PH, when you can show me a PH using that I will think about concidering it adaquate.


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Originally Posted by MontanaCreekHunter

Those are some big words and I would have to raise the BS flag to that and might want to put on my chest waders. Nobody?????? Really????? So you are saying that a modified CZ is better then a B. Searcy & Co., Holland & Holland, and all the other British best?????? I am not buying that nor the rifle.


Didn't say our gun was better. The guns you mention are fine weapons and admittedly have a better fit and finish than our guns, all I said was no one has better regulation than us. Jim invites you to stop by the shop any time and you can see for yourself. Jim's retired airplane mechanic (Gary Gullett) who builds these rifles is extremely meticulous.

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Originally Posted by Big_Redhead
Thanks for the reply, Renee. The reason I asked about the 28 gauge frame is because it is significantly lighter in weight than even the 20, and would make into a sweet little stalking rifle. Also, the 28 gauge does not have the cross-bolt lock found on the 20 and 12 gauge guns. The 28 latches only in the lumps/monoblock, whereas the 20 and 12 latch there PLUS the cross-bolt. I assume the 20 and 12 are stronger because of this, hence more desireable for larger calibers.

Jim says you are absolutely correct but the 30-40 is at a pressure level that he would choose the 28 Ga. as a platform and agrees with you completely about it being an awesome stalking rifle.

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Originally Posted by DigitalDan

All one piece or not it can be moved and reshaped. A point made early on in the thread mentioned the position of the rear sight. Occurs to me that I'd prefer it further forward. The thing that makes British doubles so delightful is their handling and geometry in my opinion. High sights tend to raise the cheek off the comb all else being equal and does not lend to natural pointing, again in my opinion. Lots of circumstances where this is irrelevant, but sometimes it is VERY relevant.

Not asking you to duplicate this, just take a look at this one...thinking it illustrates my point. The image can be zoomed and moved.

http://www.purdey.com/guns/double-rifles/


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Absolutely nobody has a better regulation that us and the owner's personal .405 has at least 400 rounds of 400 grain @2100 fps through it.


Renee,

Are your barrels permanently connected? Or are they adjustable so the regulation can be changed "easily?"

Yes - they're permanently connected. We'll regulate to your specified factory load or your handload.
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Have used two Searcy's, have shot a few Holland & Hollands, and used 1 Westley Richards. Not that it matters any, the human eye can clearly see that said gun isn't in the same ballpark as any others I mentioned. As I said before if and when a hunter really needs a double it is something that isn't worth skimping on. Hunters really don't need a double it is more a desire of times gone by. The person that needs the double is the PH, when you can show me a PH using that I will think about concidering it adaquate.

Mark Kyriacou's Big Game Safaris PH Mark Kyriacou of Big Game Safaris - Botswana is using the Clark .405 double rifle in the photo above (the one with the Cape Buffalo and our gunsmith).


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So have you shot every double made against your superior regulated barrels, using the same steps? I really don't think you have. Second I have yet to see your double win the stopping rifle comp's. You can claim whatever you want. Oh and is it an American made gun? No it is an import that you altered. Truth is you are building something on a CZ action which wouldn't be my choice for a dangerous game gun.


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The person that needs the double is the PH, when you can show me a PH using that I will think about concidering it adaquate.

Mark Kyriacou's Big Game Safaris PH Mark Kyriacou of Big Game Safaris - Botswana is using the Clark .405 double rifle in the photo above (the one with the Cape Buffalo and our gunsmith).


Thought this was settled... sounds like you just want to argue now.


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If you don't like the rifles (or concept), then don't buy one. Most, I believe, think the idea of an "affordable" double rifle is great!


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I may be in the minority but I like the look of the sights as they are. They have a practical looking aesthetic that is really appealing to me.

My own "plan" for getting an inexpensive double rifle involves reaming a 410 shotgun to chamber brass 410 shells loaded with BP and topped with a case bullet crimped as per a normal rifle round.

Then getting some rifled chokes made like and old paradox gun and maybe a custom mold to drop hollowbase bullets to help with gas seal?

No idea yet how to regulate it other then altering charge/bullet weight and I am sure I could easy dump more then $5k into it.

If I were a smart man I would start with modding a .410 Contender barrel first as proof of concept.




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Originally Posted by bunnielab
I may be in the minority but I like the look of the sights as they are. They have a practical looking aesthetic that is really appealing to me.

I do think the sights need a bit of refining to a more classic look, but anyone who can offer a decent SxS rifle for $5K with good relability and regulation would have a hit.

I also think that offering smaller bores like 7x57R, 303 and 30/30 etc would give a good rifle to fellows who will never go to Africa, but would like a SxS for hunting here in NA.

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Dood, if you don't like the rifle, don't buy one. Furthermore, unless you're a fascist or a liberal, I'm sure you're not into telling others where their hard earned money should go. Just sayin'...

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I could give two chits where or how anyone spends their money.

I do have a problem with someone claiming that they have the best regulated barrels in the business. (Based on the fact they said so)

That their double is American made when it is only American altered.

Oh and $5000 for something built on a CZ action? Really? They couldn't pick a better made action?

If you have a problem with me saying how I feel don't read my post. If you feel $5K for a CZ built into a double rifle is a good price and a good product have at it.


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Oh and $5000 for something built on a CZ action? Really? They couldn't pick a better made action?


MCH,

Is the CZ action substandard?


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If I could afford 5K for a double, I'd save for another year and get another 5k and buy a Blaser.

But hey I am prejudiced, we are Blaser dealers smile

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Big Redhead that would really depend on what the intended purpose of it was. For a shotgun that isn't going to see thousands of rounds thru it, it is fine. They are low pricepoint guns made for hunters.

Wildalsaka you got that right but I would buy a Searcy.


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I like the Sabattis for the money. The Basic models have bad reputations, however, while the better grade guns in the heavy calibers have very good reputations.

DANG! I would love to have one of the 9,3s, but am a bit leery. eek


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Bunnielab~

there is a wildcat out there that basically duplicates what you are looking for. I can't remember the name of it offhand, but apparently some people have used the 9.3x74R necked up to .458 to shoot 500 gr. bullets in their T/C Contenders chambered for the .45 Colt/ .410 combo barrels.

A place to start looking.....

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A .30 caliber Rimmed double would be fun, whether .30-30, .30-40 ( laugh ), or .303.

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Originally Posted by UncleJake
A .30 caliber Rimmed double would be fun, whether .30-30, .30-40 ( laugh ), or .303.


Good call . . . A Clark .30-30 Double Rifle is exactly what Jim used this past weekend to win the Stalking Rifle championship @ The Vintage Cup - 15th Annual Side by Side Event.


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Originally Posted by MontanaCreekHunter

I do have a problem with someone claiming that they have the best regulated barrels in the business. (Based on the fact they said so)

Did not. Little math lesson: Did I say greater than . . .? No. I said equal to. You can go look up the difference if you still don't understand.

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That their double is American made when it is only American altered.

We made no such claim. The OP of this topic did.




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You going to display at SCI?


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Originally Posted by CCGInc
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A .30 caliber Rimmed double would be fun, whether .30-30, .30-40 ( laugh ), or .303.


Good call . . . A Clark .30-30 Double Rifle is exactly what Jim used this past weekend to win the Stalking Rifle championship @ The Vintage Cup - 15th Annual Side by Side Event.

Photo's of the 30-30 SXS would be nice.. smile


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Originally Posted by Rangr44
Truth be told, I'm a little concerned about two things.

A straight/English grip on a DGR - i.e., controlability issues.

A comment I ran across elsewhere, that these are made on shotgun actions - which I don't know is true or false.

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Im very surprised to hear "CZ" and "poor quality" in the same sentance


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Interesting thread. Having gone through the double rifle research/buy process all I can say is the best of luck and if you can make it work, lots of people will be interested. A few observations; I don't care for the straight grip on a DR especially a BIG bore because of recoil issues. The sights look weird, but then again that's just a preference on my part. As far as shotgun actions, no issues there, LOTS of DR makers first used them, Merkel comes to mind. If these are Huglus, they make some nice stuff (their labor costs are low). A 400gr .405@ 2100 fps is WAY over spec so I'd be leery about that. Lastly, there is a reason as to why doubles are so darned expensive BUT if this new company can do it without sacrificing quality & reliability, I'd love to check one out.



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You going to display at SCI?

We'll be at SCI Dallas


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Originally Posted by Nrut
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A .30 caliber Rimmed double would be fun, whether .30-30, .30-40 ( laugh ), or .303.


Good call . . . A Clark .30-30 Double Rifle is exactly what Jim used this past weekend to win the Stalking Rifle championship @ The Vintage Cup - 15th Annual Side by Side Event.

Photo's of the 30-30 SXS would be nice.. smile

I'll get some posted as soon as I can get them shot.


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You mean DSC in Dallas. SCI is in Reno.


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Originally Posted by jorgeI
A few observations; I don't care for the straight grip on a DR especially a BIG bore because of recoil issues.

We'll build with either style stock (English/Straight OR Pistol grip).
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As far as shotgun actions, no issues there, LOTS of DR makers first used them, Merkel comes to mind. If these are Huglus, they make some nice stuff (their labor costs are low).

Exactly right. Almost all double rifles are made using shotgun designed actions.


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Originally Posted by UKdave

Im very surprised to hear "CZ" and "poor quality" in the same sentance

Me, too.


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I think a double in .348 Win. would be a useful caliber for North American game.

Also, for more velocity than the .30-40 and .30-30 gives, a wildcat based on the .348 necked down to .30 caliber might be usefull.

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Originally Posted by 1234567
I think a double in .348 Win. would be a useful caliber for North American game.

Jim says he'll build it if you want it.


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Renee,

Can you make a separate set of 30-30 barrels for my 28ga ringneck, and I get to keep the 28ga barrels? That way I could have a switch-barrel gun!



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Originally Posted by Big_Redhead
Renee,

Can you make a separate set of 30-30 barrels for my 28ga ringneck, and I get to keep the 28ga barrels? That way I could have a switch-barrel gun!

Now that is a super cool idea! Sets of barrels in say 20ga and 45Colt would have just about all hunting in Indiana covered with style!

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I think a double in .348 Win. would be a useful caliber for North American game.

Jim says he'll build it if you want it.


Have to recant. Can't find any blanks.


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Originally Posted by Big_Redhead
Renee,

Can you make a separate set of 30-30 barrels for my 28ga ringneck, and I get to keep the 28ga barrels? That way I could have a switch-barrel gun!


Absolutely!


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Hmm a .303 Savage would be better than the british.

Well, any really .22 hi-power, .250, .300 or .303 savage


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I Renee glad to see an US gunsmith making double rifles. I'm from Europe and i use some of the best one, be they modern over under or classic side by side. Nothing wrong using a CZ action and receiver they are rather strong, stronger than most of ergal made over under. I don't like your sight and english stock on a rifle but I like the old calibers you use for. And at 5 grands they are not too pricey for a custom on order made gun. If your regulation is as good as you claim you got a winner.
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Originally Posted by Savage_99
Did you see the Sabatti 9.3 X 74R at the East Hartford Cabelas?

The wood is spectacular in its figure. Almost too good?

The metal fit seems good and its only $2900 or so.

The wood looks something like this one.

Wood on Sabatti double rifle

True the pad is weak and "opto wood" is carved into the pistol grip.



These were real klunkers. They were rife with problems and poor regulation. The more expensive big bores were a bit better, however.

I like the Clark's looks and gun in general. I might be in trouble if they offer it in 9,3X74R on an appropriate frame. eek


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I think a double in .348 Win. would be a useful caliber for North American game.

Also, for more velocity than the .30-40 and .30-30 gives, a wildcat based on the .348 necked down to .30 caliber might be usefull.


I have always maintained the 348 would be a great DR or drilling cartridge! You, sir, have Class! cool cool


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A .356 Winchester would be easier to find blanks for, I imagine. Pretty close in performance, if not in nostalgia.

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I think a double in .348 Win. would be a useful caliber for North American game.

Jim says he'll build it if you want it.


Have to recant. Can't find any blanks.


Douglas and Pac Nor offer blank's in .348.

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Fun seeing this topic come back up. Those are nice groupings for a DR.


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fwiw,
I've been looking for a Double Rifle in .22 Hornet for years... I could keep the local ditch panther population under control in style. Very interesting...

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We can build the .22 Hornet DR on either the 20 or 28 ga.


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Very impressive shooting whether from a vice, bench or off hand. Certainly seems to be an excellent value of a quality product. I too am fond of English Bests, but they are vastly over priced and always have been. I am certain that a Purdy,H & H, W.R., Rigby, etal, is not going to shoot better than that; if it is the shooting that matters to one.





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It's kind of funny seeing this, I was at Marty's when he was taking some pictures of one early on. It was in 405 IIRC.

Very nice looking rigs in person.

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