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Oldman the problem is not the RUM it is the fact that the rifle only weighs 8lbs. There is not much difference between a 9 1/2lb 375 RUM shooting 300gr @2650fps and my 404 Jeffrey at 10.5lbs shooting 400grainers at 2250fps. The Jeffery recoils just a bit more to me anyway.
If you can shoot the 375H&H or the 375 Ruger then you can shoot the 375 RUM in rifles of appropriate weights.
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Well yes BUT. I found the 300 RUM to come back with a real fast snappy recoil. I shoot the 375 H&H and can see no reason for more as it has a nearly 100 year record of getting it done.
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When I am the nut behind the trigger they all seem to come back snappy & fast. Have looked for but not found that slooow push they told me about before I bought my first 375 H&H. . regards JohnT
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I own and shoot a few .375H&H's (six to be exact) not one of them kicks like the RUM, that SOB is just flat wicked. A 180 grain .30 cal form the RUM out recoils any of my .375's with a 300 grainier. That has to be the most brutal thing I have ever fired and loaded for with such a light weight bullet. When I'm asked to load for a RUM now I always tell the customer to sight it in himself, I won't do it and you just don't have that kind of money to pay me to do it for you.
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Wow! What a group! Great shooting. I'd say you've found your load and then some
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Fine rifle. My buddy got one in the Model 700 BDL blued wood with the embellished receiver. I found it for him on gunbroker for $450 shipped! Anyway worked up a load for him with the 270 TSX and IMR 7828. 2930 fps and 1/2" at 100 yards. So far antelope and elk hate that rifle!
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TJ a 375 RUM shooting a 225g bullet at 2700 fps is well below 375 H&H performance. Recoil should be neglible. My deer and elk load in my 375 H&H was a 250g Swift A-Frame at 2800 fps (load came right out of the Swift Reloading Manual) and recoil was still extremely mild. I think when you start shooting 300g bullets well in excess of 2700 fps recoil will pick up a bit. Even then performance is not much better than the 375 Weatherby but uses more powder which translates into more recoil. By the way I like Rem 700s. The three which I have owned were and still are extremely accurate. I've never had a failure to feed or extract even with hot loads and only neck sizing my cases. I think they get a bum rap because they're not mauser variants.
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Yes it is well below 375 H&H power, but whitetail from a tree stand at no more than 150 yards doesnt require H&H power. I also run 300 gr Sierra's full power. I find it doesn't recoil as much as a 338 winchester in a 7.3 lb. Tikka T-3 lite SS. It just a fun gun to work with...
PS I also have some 225 loads in the 338 in the low 2Ks.
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Agree TJAY, I hear the RUM series of cartridges are all very accurate. I attribute that at least as much to the rifle (M700) as to the cartridge design though ... I'm a Rem 700 fan. I'm a recoil wuss though, my 500 Jeffery weighs 12 lbs with scope ... Chuck
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I have seen maybe 50 or more buffalo shot and killed by Saeed Al Mactourn, the boss hoss at AR, with his 375/404 loaded to the same velocity as the 375 Wby and with 180 gr. Barnes and his only monoliths..It killed the buffalo as well as any caliber I have seen or used, and thats a bunch of calibers...so yes its a great option with proper bullets.
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I have seen maybe 50 or more buffalo shot and killed by Saeed Al Mactourn, the boss hoss at AR, with his 375/404 loaded to the same velocity as the 375 Wby and with 180 gr. Barnes and his only monoliths..It killed the buffalo as well as any caliber I have seen or used, and thats a bunch of calibers...so yes its a great option with proper bullets. Ray : you mean 270 grain right?
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I have seen maybe 50 or more buffalo shot and killed by Saeed Al Mactourn, the boss hoss at AR, with his 375/404 loaded to the same velocity as the 375 Wby and with 180 gr. Barnes and his only monoliths..It killed the buffalo as well as any caliber I have seen or used, and thats a bunch of calibers...so yes its a great option with proper bullets. Ray : you mean 270 grain right? He uses 300 grainers of his own make, which are Barnes TSX style. Over recent years he has tried a few velocity levels and all with either 300 grain Barnes X or his own bullet. He used over 3100 in the 375 Lazzeroni (like 378 Wby or 416 Rigby Improved necked to 375) and 2850-2900 which was more or less top loads for his 375/404 Improved, 2600 plus which would be real top end H&H velocities with that long bullet. However, for his last few trips he has settle on 2750 which as Ray says is like top loads in the 375 Wby. And he shoots every type of animal with that pair of rifles. It must be about the world's best endorsement for using a 375 Ultra with backed off loads (or a 378 with even more backed off loads) or a 375 Wby with top loads
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I love my Sako 75 in 375 H&H. I had a Remington 700 LSS in 338 RUM and it was the most vicious recoiling rifle I have ever shot. I couldn't handle it. I had a Sako 75 300 RUM that I had MagNaPorted which took a lot of the muzzle flip out of it. I would not call it enjoyable to shoot, but was very doable. I think a 375 RUM in a rifle weighing 9.5-10 pounds with a good stock, recoil pad and MagNaPorted would be a good choice.
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Well, I got out and put some loads thru the 24" 700 XCR 375 Ultra today. 260 AB bullet, rem 9.5M primer throughout. IMR 4350-- 94 gr-2881 FPS 3 shot group 1.730 96 gr-2950 fps 1.840 Both loads put the first two right together and the 3rd shot way out. I'm gonna seat the bullet deeper and try again. H4831 SC 97 gr-- 2750 1.30 99 gr-- 2815 3.00+ probably me! 101 gr- 2860 1.530 The 101 gr load also put two right on top of each other and threw the third way out. 15 rds seemed to be my limit today from the bench with such a light rifle. (I seriously doubt it goes 9 lbs all up--more like 8.5 lbs) It was a handful. Its showing good promise of being a real accurate 375 though.
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My .375 Ultra Mag is one of my favorite rifles, but it didn't start out that way. The first 8 shells through my "out of the box" .375 RUM was more recoil than I've ever experienced, and I've averaged 100 12 ga shells per week for the last 30 years.
Long story short, I re-stocked it with a laminated stock that fits me and is pillar and glass bedded, two cross bolts, a mechanical recoil reducer in the stock, and a Limbsaver pad. I also had a KDF brake installed on the muzzle. I topped it with a 2-7x Leupold, and with sling, the total package weighs right at 10 lbs, which is the same as several of my other hunting rifles.
I built this rifle for a Cape Buffalo hunt in Zimbabwe in 2005. My load for that hunt was 300 gr Barnes TSX bullets at 2830 muzzle velocity, and slightly less than 3 shot MOA at 200 yds. I shot a buffalo and 4 Plains Game animals including a beautiful Nyala bull at 210 yds across a canyon.
I took my .375 RUM back to the Eastern Cape region of South Africa in 2007 for another Plains Game hunt. On that hunt I loaded 270 gr TSX bullets at 3043 fps. I shot 13 animals on that hunt at ranges between 30 to 348 yds. Two of the animals were shot from prone positions, and recoil was not an issue.
Unfortunately, unless I ever go Brown Bear hunting, I don't think my .375 RUM will see any other North American use. There just isn't anything else here that requires that much power.
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buffybr, IYDM-What powder are you using with the 270 TSX? Also not including the muzzle break How long is the barrel? Factory tube or custom? Thanks! On my gun the previous owner had good luck with H4350 but I haven't been able to get my hands on any lately thus I'm using the IMR flavor.
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Dufur, My .375 RUM has a factory 26" SS tube. My 270 gr TSX load is in R-P cases, CCI 250 primers, just under Barnes #4 book max load of IMR 4350 powder, chronographed at 10' with a Chrony F-1.
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Ok, thanks, good to know. My tube is factory 24" so if I'm at 2950 with the 260 AB and IMR 4350; I gotta be close to top. Kinda feels like it..LOL
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you'd think a 375 RUM could do a little more in the speed department with the right powder .
My 375 weatherby will do 2950 easy with several powders and an honest 3000 with one powder.....
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If anyone cares, Warren Page used a .375 Weatherby in a Remington push feed almost exclusively on 13 safaries. He liked it better than any of the larger bores with about the same energy production. His 300 grn. load generated about 2775 fps and he shot it enough to require rebarreling maybe 3 times. There is an article from 1969 outlining his love affair with the gun.
Me thinks he knew what he was about.
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