24hourcampfire.com
24hourcampfire.com
-->
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 1,625
Gary O Offline OP
Campfire Regular
OP Offline
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 1,625
Does one work better than another? What say you? Thanks...


Gary

Never underestimate the likelihood that the Republicans will cave...
HR IC

Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,046
D
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
D
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,046
Aluminum is lighter, of course. And in my experience, you have to be careful when tightening the screws in aluminum rings to ensure that you don't strip the threads.

I personally prefer aluminum Weaver-style rings and bases because they're lighter and the QD rings are detatchable and repeatable, should you need to change scopes or use open sights.

Steel rings are perhaps a bit stronger, but since the scope is probably made of aluminum (yes, there are exceptions), the aluminum bases and rings aren't gonna be the weak link. That would likely be the scope itself.


I was hoarding when hoarding wasn't cool.
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 5,496
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 5,496
I prefer warne bases and rings,they are steel. I think either is fine though.It's more important that the scope is mounted properly.


1 and done
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 4
New Member
Offline
New Member
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 4
I think for most uses aluminum works fine...and as stated earlier, you just gotta watch out for stripping screws. for tactical or military applications, i prefer steel though...its heavier, but stronger. I generally use steel on all of my rifles except for my rimfire stuff, but i cant really say its any better or provides a more solid base to mount a scope on. either will work fine, as long as you do what highridge suggested and mount your scope correctly...


Last edited by rottal; 01/19/10.

Give a man a match; he has fire for a night.
Light a man on fire; he is warm for the rest of his life.
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 12,156
C
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
C
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 12,156
I prefer steel myself. The 1 oz. or so you might save with aluminum vs. steel in scope mounts is of little significance. I might make an exception for the talley lightweight aluminum mounts with the integral base/ring setup, they seem pretty sturdy to me. Of the times I've had trouble out of a scope, about 95% of the time it's turned out to be problems with the mounts so I want them as strong as possible. I disagree with the poster who said the rings and bases aren't the weak link, they most certainly are the weak link in most mounting systems in my opinion and aren't the place to be cutting corners to save weight. There's a lot more stress placed on scope mounts than there is on an aluminum scope tube.

IC B2

Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 6,349
N
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
N
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 6,349
I think the DNZ system has a lot of good to be said about it. Otherwise I feel steel is better IF lapped and properly fitted.
Otherwise you might as well use aluminum and hope it won't damage your scope with gouges and scrapes.


I am the NorthEast WoodsBeast!

"System version 1.3, divorced"
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,046
D
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
D
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,046
Originally Posted by Crow hunter
I prefer steel myself. The 1 oz. or so you might save with aluminum vs. steel in scope mounts is of little significance. I might make an exception for the talley lightweight aluminum mounts with the integral base/ring setup, they seem pretty sturdy to me. Of the times I've had trouble out of a scope, about 95% of the time it's turned out to be problems with the mounts so I want them as strong as possible. I disagree with the poster who said the rings and bases aren't the weak link, they most certainly are the weak link in most mounting systems in my opinion and aren't the place to be cutting corners to save weight. There's a lot more stress placed on scope mounts than there is on an aluminum scope tube.


Crowhunter, your experience has been exactly opposite of mine. In over 45 years of hunting and shooting, I've NEVER had a ring or base failure, whether steel or aluminum. Now, I'ver had screws loosen, but if properly torqued with lock-tite, this won't happen. And you should lap your rings for the best puchase on the scope.

Scope failures, now, I've had. In an older steel Weaver 3x9 on a .30-06, an internal lens once broke, and the view thru the scope looked like a spider web. I've sent back Redfields and Leupolds for repair to errector assemblies. On a Burris Signature 2x7, the windage dial became a crap shoot and I could never get it to track properly.

I still maintain that the scope itself is the weakest link. Mounts and bases are redundant in strength and simplicity....scopes are full of tiny springs, lenses, and sundry internal gadgets that are just looking for an opportunity to fail. If a guy has a problem with his mounts, the issue is likely with the man in the mirror. If he has a problem with the scope, well, that is a problem we'll all face sooner or later, and usually NOT of our own doing.


I was hoarding when hoarding wasn't cool.
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 810
S
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
S
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 810
Have you ever been walking in steep or uneven terrain and fallen while hunting? Maybe bumped your rifle pretty hard? Not the time to be wondering if your scope mounts are strong or not.

What Crow hunter said....+1

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 24,851
T
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
T
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 24,851
Steel


.
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 28,864
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 28,864
GaryO,

I think I typed that name earlier this evening. Anyway, I use aluminum Weaver bases and steel Burris Signture rings. They are the ones with the inserts.

If the Signature was aluminum, I would still use them because I want the insert. There is never scope damage by the rings.

My experience with mounts is twice. Both times the mount screws broke in a fall. The rings and bases were still fine. The screws have been replaced with 8X32's. On the other hand, I have had over a dozen scopes fail for one reason or another.


"Only Christ is the fullness of God's revelation."
Everyday Hunter
IC B3

Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 17,275
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 17,275
If I am scoping a rifle with weight being a major concern, I'll go with the Talleys.
Now for a regular sporter weight, steel bases and rings are fine.
Actually I think the base screws are the weakest point and not actually the base or ring metal.


"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."
Thomas Jefferson

GeoW, The "Unwoke" ...Let's go Brandon!

"A Well Regulated Militia" Life Member

Joined: May 2006
Posts: 5,226
M
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
M
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 5,226
I also go with Talley steel rings/bases for all my rifles.

Not enough difference in weight from the aluminums to worry about.....IMHO.

Tough to argue the merits of steel.............

Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,046
D
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
D
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,046
[quote=shortleade]Have you ever been walking in steep or uneven terrain and fallen while hunting? Maybe bumped your rifle pretty hard? Not the time to be wondering if your scope mounts are strong or not.

..........or maybe the fall knocked your scope's zero off. THAT scenario is more likely and has indeed happened to me. And more than once.


I was hoarding when hoarding wasn't cool.
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 5,105
C
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
C
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 5,105
I use Seekins Precision aluminum rail and rings on most of my rifles.Skeeter

Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 7,506
H
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
H
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 7,506
steel for me. i can handle the extra weight.

Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 7,941
Likes: 3
J
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
J
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 7,941
Likes: 3
Originally Posted by Crow hunter
I prefer steel myself. The 1 oz. or so you might save with aluminum vs. steel in scope mounts is of little significance. I might make an exception for the talley lightweight aluminum mounts with the integral base/ring setup, they seem pretty sturdy to me. Of the times I've had trouble out of a scope, about 95% of the time it's turned out to be problems with the mounts so I want them as strong as possible. I disagree with the poster who said the rings and bases aren't the weak link, they most certainly are the weak link in most mounting systems in my opinion and aren't the place to be cutting corners to save weight. There's a lot more stress placed on scope mounts than there is on an aluminum scope tube.


The last set of steel rings and bases I weighed came in at 6 oz. The Talley lightweights were 2.5 oz. Considering the rings and bases are in 1 piece, I agree with you, they are plenty strong enough for my uses. By carefully choosing your scope and mounts you could save close to 1/2 lb on your rifle.


Most people don't really want the truth.

They just want constant reassurance that what they believe is the truth.
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 12,651
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 12,651
Originally Posted by JMR40


The last set of steel rings and bases I weighed came in at 6 oz. The Talley lightweights were 2.5 oz. Considering the rings and bases are in 1 piece, I agree with you, they are plenty strong enough for my uses. By carefully choosing your scope and mounts you could save close to 1/2 lb on your rifle.


The difference between 6oz and 2.5oz is only 3.5oz, less than 1/4 pound, not close to 1/2 pound.


Coyote Hunter - NRA Patriot Life, NRA Whittington Center Life, GOA, DAD - and I VOTE!

No, I'm not a Ruger bigot - just an unabashed fan of their revolvers, M77's and #1's.

A good .30-06 is a 99% solution.
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 13,436
D
DMB Offline
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
D
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 13,436
Lapping Aluminum rings is almost a pleasure, compared to lapping Steel rings. grin


Don Buckbee

JPFO
NRA Benefactor Member
NSSA Life Member






Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,510
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,510
Burris Signature every time.

Last mod I went with Weaver style bases, but paid the extra for Leupold steel. Look a lot better, and aren't hard to clean dirt traps like the hollowed out Weaver aluminum.

Have used dovetail bases in past, but think will stick to Weaver style in future.

As for weight difference? IMHO, false economy.

Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 3,131
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 3,131
Have used nothing but weaver rings and bases for 30 years on everything from a 22 l.r. to 375 H&H and have never had one problem. Prices is right and not to heavy. Probably not the prettiest girl on the block but not bad.........


If you find yourself in a hole....quit digging
Page 1 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  RickBin 

Link Copied to Clipboard
AX24

85 members (35, 444Matt, Akhutr, 7mm_Loco, 1_deuce, 338reddog, 8 invisible), 1,514 guests, and 785 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums81
Topics1,192,368
Posts18,488,303
Members73,970
Most Online11,491
Jul 7th, 2023


 


Fish & Game Departments | Solunar Tables | Mission Statement | Privacy Policy | Contact Us | DMCA
Hunting | Fishing | Camping | Backpacking | Reloading | Campfire Forums | Gear Shop
Copyright © 2000-2024 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved.



Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5
(Release build 20201027)
Responsive Width:

PHP: 7.3.33 Page Time: 0.120s Queries: 55 (0.015s) Memory: 0.9057 MB (Peak: 1.0207 MB) Data Comp: Zlib Server Time: 2024-05-04 07:54:49 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS