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(for deer) and primarily stick with one now....tell me the reasons why you prefer one or the other. If I am going to be hunting a clear cut instead of a swamp, I reach for the rifle I did not use last time. I have zero preference between the two.
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I used a .30-06 exclusively for almost 20 years. I still have it, but I also have four .270s and haven't hunted seriously with the '06 in quite a few years. I have also given two of my .270s to grandsons and they hunt with them. I use 130 Partitions for deer and 150 Partitions for elk with fairly stiff charges of H4831. I worked up these loads for my first .270 about twenty years ago and have found no reason to try other bullets and powders.
I mess around with a lot of rifles and cartridges these days, but still take out one or the other of the .270s each season. I have taken far more deer with the '06 (because I was doing a lot of scientific collecting in those days), but my "go to" rifle for deer hunting is a semi-custom pre-64 Model 70 Featherweight. It just feels right and I have absolute confidence in it. Here in the Southwest, I think that a good .270 is about as good of an all-around cartridge as you can get.
I have seen no difference in terminal performance between the two cartridges with my favorite hand loads.
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I once tested these two cartridges side by side while culling and it was my impression and opinion formed that the .30/06 hit harder, there was no tracking and a much norticeable and reduced requirement for finishing shots.
After I learned this, I started using some of the factory cartridges I had left over from reviews as they chronographed lower than my handloads.
Even with the reduced velocity, the performance was the same. The deduction than rang for me wwas that for deer sized game, the additional bullet diameter and bullet weight made a differnce to the point that I walked away from the .270 never to return.
The other tings I learned was that the 7x57 was a better killer for similar reasons to the .30/06, the .270 Weatherby was much more effective than the .270 Winchester and the .257 Weatherby was flatter shooting and killed with a higher percentage of instant kills.
None of this denegrates the performance or historical performance of the .270 Winchester. I killed more animals during this assessment than all the readers of this post combined will ever take. It was not something flippant over a weekend or two.
The .270 Winchester is every bit as good as you were ever told or experienced for yourself. But for me, the .30/06 is better and more versatile for a larger range of animals sized and body weights. In your side by side comparison may I ask the bullet weights? Thanks!  Becuase this assessment is based on an averaging of results and observations, I pretty much covered all the bullet weights. The .270 went as light as the Barnes 100gn X bullet up to the usual 150's and the .30/06 went as light as 125 adn 130 grainers up 180 grains. Not much to be learned from bullet weights heavier than that as most hutners think a 180 is too heavy for deer sized game and perfer 150's or 165's. JW
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I have used both.I built a. 270 for a sheep hunt and killed a nice ram then the.270 to my neice in PA. I hunt elk mostly and just like the 220 gr bullet better. The.270 has killed everything dead that I have shot with it.I found that generally I had a lot more meat damage with the .270. Long range it excells.Close range,even with 150 gr bullets it creates too much meat damage for me.YMMV.
If I had to do it over,I would select a 25-.06 and a 30-06 over the.270 SS, I ended up doing as you did and found more versatility in having a .25/06 and a .30/06 more appealing. The .270 is a great cartridge but the original question queried whether we had noticed any difference, and I have, enough to gain a preference. JW
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i never had much use for a 270 because i thought it couldnt be better then my 30-06 but a year or two ago i bought a 270 for my dad for christmas and we started loading 140gr balistic tips for it and it really does a great job on whitetails this is the only gun he wants to carry he even shoot coyotes with it i may have to break down and build one of my own grin
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Elk seem to be the line in the sand between these 2 cartridges. I used to help out in a gun store in Denver a few years back and a .270 sat on the shelves a long time.
I can remember a particular pre- 64 in .30/06 that sat there for quite some time with a price of $350 on it.
Considering this was only 5 years ago, imagine how smart the buyer of that rifle feels today?
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270 vs 30-06? For deer it's 6 one way , Half dozen the other. The '06 has heavier bullets available. Other than that they both kill deer. Maybe a hair lighter recoil in the .270.
I shoot the 130 gr. Ballistic Silver Tips in my .270 w/ awesome results on deer.
My '06 I shoot 150 gr. Silver Tips also w/ awesome results on deer.
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I have used quite a few different rifles as many here have as well. I hunted with a .243 for quite a few years quite successfully but went to .270 after a bad experience with the little round. I found a very nice FN actioned .270 that shot extremely well. I loved that gun. I put a 4x Leupold with tapering crosshairs in it. With that gun, I not only shot a few deer, but at one turkey shoot I won two turkeys! It really liked 130 grains.
A few years later I got the bug to build a hunting rifle. I started with a 98 Mauser action and built a gun that fits me better than any gun ever has. When I shoulder it the sight picture is right there. That is the gun I would take every time now. It is in 30-06. MAYBE it does less meat damage, but I would not hesitate to use either gun anytime, anyplace. My son owns the .270 now. Take your pick, I don't think you will ever lose a deer sized animal because of either round.
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As much as I like the 270 I feel there is something special about 220 gr. roundnose bullets.
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If I had to do it over,I would select a 25-.06 and a 30-06 over the.270 This sounds like a wise man to me. I'd second this. The only reason the 270 lasted as long as it did is because of the famous gun writer Jack O'Connor who advocated the cartridge.
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If I had to do it over,I would select a 25-.06 and a 30-06 over the.270 This sounds like a wise man to me. I'd second this. The only reason the 270 lasted as long as it did is because of the famous gun writer Jack O'Connor who advocated the cartridge. Never read anything O'Connor wrote. The 270 lasted 25 years with me because it WORKED.
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If I had to do it over,I would select a 25-.06 and a 30-06 over the.270 This sounds like a wise man to me. I'd second this. The only reason the 270 lasted as long as it did is because of the famous gun writer Jack O'Connor who advocated the cartridge. Never read anything O'Connor wrote. The 270 lasted 25 years with me because it WORKED. Absolutely! Nothing lasts for long if it doesn't do the job and the .270 has been and will continue to be one of the top 10 cartridges of our era for good reason. Even Elmer couldn't kill it!
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Here we go again. The thread started .270 vs .30-06 and now we're talking .25-06. I have a .25-06, a .250Sav, and a .257Roberts. In my opinion these .25's won't carry a .270/.30-06 jockstrap when it comes to bang/flopping big animals. A .257WBY might be different. I use a .308 for whitetail now because I like the short action Sav Mod 99 lever.
I read everything that I could find that Jack O'Connor wrote. He was the reason that I bought my first .270 in the late 60's. From coyotes to elk, it was the perfect all around/one gun rifle for my area at that time. About 1/2 of the local guys in a KS deer camp still only have one rifle. Most of them are .270's and lots of the guys that have several rifles use a .270. We have big deer, but no bear or moose in KS.
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.... The only reason the 270 lasted as long as it did is because of the famous gun writer Jack O'Connor who advocated the cartridge. Comedy Central! 
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No one ever said the 25's would equal a .270 or .06. The .270 and .06 are too close a combination. The 25's give a little more diversity.For bullet selection,the.06 has it all over the .270. However,for a general purpose whitetail cartridge, the .270 will do everything the .06 will do, only with usually more meat damage for the faster velocities usually used in the 130 gr bullets . Granted, a lot of guys don't care about that.
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Deer rounds are like 35 Rem., 30-30 Win., 257 Roberts, or .243 Win.
Both the .270 and 30-06 are so much more than "deer rounds" that it is hard to tell much difference between the two, as both are way beyond adequate.
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This sounds like a wise man to me. I'd second this. The only reason the 270 lasted as long as it did is because of the famous gun writer Jack O'Connor who advocated the cartridge.
It lasted this long because it works and well at that.
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The 45-70 has been around longer than the.270 and.06,and it works. That does not necessarily make it the no. 1 cartridge for whitetails though. Sometimes folks get a little blinded in thier common sense department when it is over shadowed with thier predjudices
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If the simplest comparison is made, most will agree that both perform on deer sized game. The measure "could be", where does one stop and the other take over, if in fact it does?
With this addendum, the 150 grain .270 load will usually do what a 165gn load with do in the '06 and maybe also cover the 180gn chores but again, most would agree that when you start talking about 190gn Interlocks, 200gn Accubonds orPartiions and Woodleigh 220's and 240 grainers, there is a new road ahead for the .30/06 that the .270 can't follow.
In the end, how far do you push your cartridges?
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(for deer) and primarily stick with one now....tell me the reasons why you prefer one or the other. I've used both for eastern whitetails, mostly inside 150yds., and don't see much differance. In fact, at these ranges, add the 7mmRM. Mostly, I now use a 7X57 because it kills just as well as the other 3,in a lighter package, and recoils less. O
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