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Originally Posted by FVA
I've owned/used both on deer,as to the original question. Both are if anything over kill. It is like asking if you would rather have a 50 pound rock or 50 pound hunk of iron dropped on your head. There is nothing to talk about. It is either both or neither.


that sums it up as well as could be done ... perfectly said, Frank.


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My father used to guide elk hunters up the Gallatin back in the 1940's and had no use for a .270. He said he never guided a hunter that shot an elk with the .270 that he didn't have to finish with his '06.

As a result I had no use for a .270. That was until I decided to own some nice older Model 70s. I bought a .270 made in 1949 in excellent shape and put a Swarovski 3-9 scope on it. I figured I would want to shoot 130 grain bullets in it. I got some Winchester Premium Ballistic Silvertip ammo for it. I shot several deer and antelope with it and the .270 has now become my favorite deer sized cartridge. That is hard to pick when you have a 257 Roberts and a 25-06 as well.

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Interesting photo! Is that a buddy of yours in the background with a nice buck too?? If not the dude took advantage of the opportunity!! Pretty cool!


Yes that is my son and only about 40 yards away. We both shot these bucks within a few seconds of one another, both falling on these ridges not far from each other.



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I prefer neither.


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Don't know exactly why, but I've never shot a deer with a .270 that didn't run and I've never shot one with a 30-06 that didn't drop on the spot. For me, at least, the 30-06 has been dramatically better.

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you must shoot better with a 30-06

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Nope, that isn't it. The ones that ran with the .270 included broken shoulders, hearts cut in half, and double lungers. Pretty much exactly the same as the 30-06.

The last one I shot with the .270 was downright stupifying. I shot a doe at about 125 yards right behind the shoulder and destroyed both lungs. She was unexcited and had no idea I was there but still ran about 300 yards and had time to crawl up under a bush and die sitting up. There was no blood trail and I only found her because I knew exactly where she was going.

When I cut her open, her lungs were mush. With the 30-06 that same shot has always been a DRT.

I'm not reading too much into it, but it has been with multiple deer with multiple rifles of those calibers. Who knows? It is just my experience which is more limited than that of many on this board.

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real interesting Joe, I have killed them with a .257 Roberts. However I am not an expert like many folks on this forum.

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Some of this stuff really has me scratching my head..... confused


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The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Bob, I am still waiting for someone to say "hammer of Thor" we have got DRT now. whistle

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jimmy this stuff is mostly BS.....




The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Bob what's the weather like there today. We were going out to hang stands and scout today but got (cold) rained out.

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I have owned both over the years and both have treated me well. That being said, I own neither now. Other than buying one for the donor action if I had to choose to run one I'd go with the 30-06.

My reason, I like the heavier bullet options in .30 cal and have nothing I'll to say about .270 fans.

I'm just as big a .284 cal fan as they are of the .270.

With today's bullet options, do we really need to spend so much energy coming up with false realities about what is best???

I'd rather be reading stories of what people killed with their choice and seeing some cool pics because it's really all about the hunting NOT the tool...

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Originally Posted by jimmyp
real interesting Joe, I have killed them with a .257 Roberts. However I am not an expert like many folks on this forum.


Well, you got me. Obviously, I lied and made it all up since you've had no trouble killing deer with a .257.

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Originally Posted by CLB
I have owned both over the years and both have treated me well. That being said, I own neither now. Other than buying one for the donor action if I had to choose to run one I'd go with the 30-06.

My reason, I like the heavier bullet options in .30 cal and have nothing I'll to say about .270 fans.

I'm just as big a .284 cal fan as they are of the .270.

With today's bullet options, do we really need to spend so much energy coming up with false realities about what is best???

I'd rather be reading stories of what people killed with their choice and seeing some cool pics because it's really all about the hunting NOT the tool...

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Shot quite a few with a .30-06 and none with a .270W. However, I hunted about 20 years with a cousin who used a .270W
and shot way more than his share. Pretty much used the old core-lokts of whatever weight he picked up and sighted in with. His Son had the same rifle and caliber and pretty much followed in his footsteps. I could tell stories about that, but it would serve no purpose than to relate about a different time and place, but it did give one the opportunity to come to a conclusion regarding Whitetails. If others can see any difference their observation skills are better than mine.



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I make no claim about the .270 or the 30-06 except that I have shot about 20 deer with a 30-06 and every single one has dropped on the spot. I've shot about 10 or 15 of them with a .270 and every single one has gone from 50 to 300 yards. They're all dead and that really isn't a large enough sample size to make any conclusions, but there it is.

Now, lately I hunt with a 7x57 and a 6.5x55 and they work really well.

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Originally Posted by Cossatotjoe
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real interesting Joe, I have killed them with a .257 Roberts. However I am not an expert like many folks on this forum.


Well, you got me. Obviously, I lied and made it all up since you've had no trouble killing deer with a .257.


I can't speak to your results but think I'd have a hard time trying to achieve them on purpose.


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Originally Posted by Cossatotjoe
I make no claim about the .270 or the 30-06 except that I have shot about 20 deer with a 30-06 and every single one has dropped on the spot. I've shot about 10 or 15 of them with a .270 and every single one has gone from 50 to 300 yards. They're all dead and that really isn't a large enough sample size to make any conclusions, but there it is.

Now, lately I hunt with a 7x57 and a 6.5x55 and they work really well.


a process with a lot of random variables can result is some very surprising, and misleading, results...especially when viewed thru the prism of a relatively small sample size

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Originally Posted by Cossatotjoe
I make no claim about the .270 or the 30-06 except that I have shot about 20 deer with a 30-06 and every single one has dropped on the spot. I've shot about 10 or 15 of them with a .270 and every single one has gone from 50 to 300 yards. They're all dead and that really isn't a large enough sample size to make any conclusions, but there it is.

Now, lately I hunt with a 7x57 and a 6.5x55 and they work really well.


a process with a lot of random variables can result is some very surprising, and misleading, results...especially when viewed thru the prism of a relatively small sample size


Did I not repeatedly emphasis the limit of the experience and the small sample size? I agree, it was merely my personal experience with 30 to 40 deer shot with those particular calibers.

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I'm not doubting your experiences joe, but I think it comes down more to you've been real lucky with the 06' and unlucky with the .270, I don't think it has anything to do with the actual effectiveness of either round. Though I can see how it would seem that way to you.

I own both and have taken deer with both, about 50 with the 270 in fact.

For deer I'll take the .270 any day, but its personal preference not because I think its better than the 06'.

Which round caused the longest run from a boiler room hit for me? An undisturbed WT buck I shot at about 150 yds with my 300 win mag and a fast expanding bullet, buck ran like hell for a long ways with an exit wound the size of my fist, lungs were absolute jelly. No reason he should have run that far.

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