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Thanks for the reply folks. I was singed a little around the edges on a thread similar to this one in another form a while back. I am by no means an anti-lead shooter, but if using non-leaded bullets in certain area's will help the anti's to go away, I'm in.

Some of your responses have me asking some new questions like is the California ban working? What else could be killing these birds? Are other animals dieing due to ingesting lead (obviously their dieing due to lead )? There were some answers but it still makes you think.

Have a great day!!!

HaYen

Safe for human consumption is not safe for California condors. We humans can tolerate quite a bit of lead in our tissues before symptoms of chronic lead poisoning start to manifest themselves. Noel Snyder, a retired (and well-respected) avian biologist who worked with condor restoration for many years, put it to me succinctly. He said, "If a condor bites a bullet, it dies".

Whether or not we should be trying to save a species that seems poorly suited to the realities of life in modern North America is a political argument. The science behind the threat of lead poisoning in California condors has never been shown to be faulty, to my knowledge. If someone can cite a source for such a conclusion, I would like to see it.

The California Condor is a sacred cow, the bird has been on the road to extinction for the last 1000 years if not longer. The environs were it lives has changed. The only reason its around is the massive amounts of money being spent on it. I don't think they even breed in the wild, or if they do, the eggs are taken and put in a lab. Its like the Atlantic Salmon Restoration Project, it CT. It's a black hole money wise, great for a brown trout angler like myself, because the big browns feed heavy on the smolts and a 10 or 8 olive Zonker works well in the fall. Very few salmon return for the numbers of smolts released. They guy that started it liked fishing Atlantic Salmon in Canada and they though they could reestablish the runs. On problem the race of fish that came this far south do not exist anymore and have not since before the Civil War. But they continue to spend the money on it, going on 40 years now. They would have done better with the Sea run Brown Trout, they stopped working on that because of money, back in the early 70's Salmon was sucking it up. They have fish(Sea Run Brown's) returning every year. Gee's we could have had winter trout fishing that people from all over would travel to the area just to fish. Oh well Atlantic Salmon like the Condor are sacred cows and well money be dammed, and you will have to give up your bullets too, because we say so, never mind it very well be junk science too. And hunters being the good guys they are in general will go along with it. We did with waterfowl. Its all BS.

HaYen, did you get my last PM? Again, your looking in to this is much appreciated. Tom

it is a question of the liberal left creating problems that don't exist, so that they can sell their leftist agenda to " change the world"...

other examples are the spotted owl 'extinction' panic, so they could block logging in the Pacific NW...

right along with Al Gore's Global Warming Scam....

No what needs to be extinct are liberals...we have way too many of them..

You're welcome. I haven't been able to check my PM's on a regular basis.

Have a great day!!!

The enviro-wackos will take any hint of a lead bullet problem and run with it. You can post all the studies to "document" a problem but who should really believe it? The climategate hoax has shown to what length these drones are willing to go to further their goal. Data has been altered, deleted and created to "prove" man made global warming, climate change or whatever name they choose to call it.

By the way, venison was thrown out by order of the MN. Dept. of Health. They ordered the remaining 12,000 pounds thrown out in 2008.

North Dakota threw out a boatload of venison last year also. Ridiculous!

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