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Decisions, decisions.
Not sure if this has been recently hashed, but looking for preferences/ dislikes on either/ both.
Have a VariX III, VX III, and Zeiss Victory binos, so I'm somewhat familiar with both products.
Thanks for any opinions.
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wow do a search.....this has been hit 400 times
the leupy is lighter, has a better eye relief usually
the zeiss is bigger, heavier with a bolder style duplex reticle
the 3-9x40 conquest is my favorite and can be had for 369 new
the 3.5-10x40 VX3 is around 100$ more
bot hhave lifetime transferable warranty
the leupold has more custom options
what do you need it for?
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I just mounted a Conquest 3x9.... I still prefer the VX3 3.5x10...that said either is a good choice
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This looks interesting, don't think I've seen a Conquest/VX3 thread before lol
Oh wait, yes I have. Many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many times recently. Just look beyond the first page and you'll find a few of them.
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wow do a search.....this has been hit 400 times
the leupy is lighter, has a better eye relief usually
the zeiss is bigger, heavier with a bolder style duplex reticle
the 3-9x40 conquest is my favorite and can be had for 369 new
the 3.5-10x40 VX3 is around 100$ more
bot hhave lifetime transferable warranty
the leupold has more custom options
what do you need it for? I concur, except you forsgot to add that the Conquest has better glass.
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When compared to the VX3, under low light conditions, they resolve the same.
The standard reticles for them are equally heavy/bold or sharp. E
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The Conquest also has more or less constant eye relief. You'll really notice this at full power settings.
If money matters, in my opinion at $369 from Doug the 3-9 Conquest is a clear (groan) winner in the value department. It's a heck of a scope.
The points of seperation I see are:
-the Leup is about an inch shorter, and a couple ounces lighter;
-the Leup has that awesome looong eye relief (ER) and huge eye box at low power settings;
-the Conq has much better ER at full power;
-the Conq adjustments track very, very well;
-the stock turrets on the Conq are completely usable as a low-profile turret. The stock Leup turret, not so much. But the Leup has the CDS available.
-the Leup has "bling" with the wide gold (oooh... gold) ring and gold medallion and nicer box and blankie and printed materials. Then again, guess who's paying for all that?
I've been forced by the economy to be price-concious lately and because of that, along with the excellent glass and tracking, my last 5 scopes have been Conquests. I wouldn't change a thing. Very pleased. That said on my lightweight rifles Leupold rules the day.
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When compared to the VX3, under low light conditions, they resolve the same.
The standard reticles for them are equally heavy/bold or sharp. E I'll repeat my orginal statement....The Conquest has better glass!
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The 3.5-10X44 Conquest has shorter eye relief and a much smaller set of eye boxes than the VX3, 3.5-10X40. The 3-9X40 has more eye relief than the above VX3, but have half the eye box at 3.5X and 6X.
Let's not forget the super hard coatings on the VX3. Well worth the extra money for them. E
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Dunno about the coatings. I only touch my lenses very rarely, as in every couple years usually, and then only with the proper fluids and optical cleaning tissues etc.
The eye box of a 3-9 Conquest is indeed smaller than a Leupold. What isn't? The Leupold eye box is massive- at low powers. But you pay for that. At high powers, the 3-9 Conq kills the Leup.
The 3.5-10 Conq is one of their 3.5" ER models. I had one. Great scope, but on a long action M700, I wanted more ER. So far I can't find one thing the 3.5-10 would do that I cannot do with a 3-9, however.
It takes a 3.5-10 VX3 with a CDS at $500 to match the functionality of a 3-9 Conquest at $369. Might not matter to some, but me, that's $130 I can put to good use funding this expensive hobby in other ways- powder, bullets, etc.
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Glad the loopy has hard lens coatings as I clean all my lenses with gravel.
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what do you mean by "eye boxes"?
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Eye box is, I think, loosely defined as the size of the visual sweet spot behind the scope. How forgiving the scope is of head position etc. Damn that sucks!  Maybe someone else will give you a better definition.
The CENTER will hold.
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The 3.5-10X44 Conquest has shorter eye relief and a much smaller set of eye boxes than the VX3, 3.5-10X40. The 3-9X40 has more eye relief than the above VX3, but have half the eye box at 3.5X and 6X.
Let's not forget the super hard coatings on the VX3. Well worth the extra money for them. E What proof do you have to support your claim that the Leupy coatings are harder than the Conquest coatings? Is it because the Leupy "Diamond Coat" is made from real "Diamonds?"
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Let's not forget the super hard coatings on the VX3. Well worth the extra money for them. E They are a first class scope. They feature coatings made from diamonds, which are ten times harder than other coating compounds. This means the light transmitting ability, and image quality of the scope, will not degrade from tiny scratches on the lenses, that occur even with the best of care, at anything like the rate of other scopes.
Its not so much what he says.Its the way he says it.
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That is the major point here.Everyone has an opinion ,and they do often conflict.However,most people here have actually used all of the products that are being discussed,and base their opinions on their personal experience.On the other hand a certain person here,has not used all of the products,and bases his opinion totally on another persons opinion or what that person has written in a book.When the majority of the people here find that one product appears superior in some way to his personal favorite,that certain person accuses the rest of the people of not knowing how to focus a riflescope.If a question is asked as to how a certain company tests it's products,most people will accept the word of a representative of that company as being the truth.However,a certain person here states openly that the company representative is lying,because some writer has written something that contradicts the company representative. When proven wrong,most people here will accept the facts and admit that they were wrong,while that certain individual will never admit being wrong reguardless of the evidence presented against him.
So all in all it come down to that individuals personality and the attitude that he conveys,more than what he actually says.
Eremicus,
A Schmidt & Bender that didn't resolve any better than a 6x Leupold? Maybe you just don't know how to focus an S&B.
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At $369 the Conquest is a no brainer. Great glass, etched reticle, very tough.
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
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At $369 the Conquest is a no brainer. Great glass, etched reticle, very tough. Actually $369 is for a USED SCOPE demo scope... Not the same as brand new. Let's compare apples to appples when talking about cost vs quality here.
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I've bought a couple of Doug's demo scopes. You can't tell they are not brand new. There are no signs of use or handling whatsoever. If you order a demo and brand new Conquest from Doug at the same time you won't be able to tell which is which. They include the warranty card so for arguments sake they are new.
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i have seen both, like both, but for the money i would go with the zeiss cuz its cheaper
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Does not matter..
New is NEW..
Used is used..
Period.
My point is be FAIR in the comparison.
I think it is funny how the Zeiss fans bring up the $369 USED scopes to compare them to a NEW VX3 Leupold at $400+
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