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Looking at purchasing a newer PU in the next few months and would like some real world experience on what the market has to offer.

Toyota?

Ford?

Dodge? (not really on the list)

Govt Motors? (ditto on the list thing)


All experiences/stories/opinions welcome!

Swift, it will be hard to best the gas milage the GM trucks will give you. I have an 05 1500 Chevrolet with the 5.3 and optional 3.73 gears. It will give 19mph on the highway. Only thing I don't care for is the shorter bed when you get the crew cab.

Dodge, off the list ??....it is Truck of the Year for 2010.

You buy a 2500 Cummins 4X4 and you have a truck for life.

My 01' still going strong with nothing but scheduled service.

The new 2011 Ford Super Duty will be on dealers lots this spring.I'd hold fire till I checked one out.New diesel and gas motor coming.Worth a look.

I just bought a 4x4 Nissan Titan Crew Cab SE...$4000 in rebates and the dealers want to move them.

So far I like it. I'm getting about 14 mpg in mixed driving and around 18 mpg on the highway. Got around 600 miles on it so far.

$4000 off....and nice option packages. Made in Canton Miss.

Dan

I'm a bit short on the sweet to swing a diesel Dodge.

Substantiated or not I've run across too many supposed tranny issues to make one palatable.

Not like I'm rolling in gas money but mileage isn't a deal breaker.

My 02 Tacoma only has 87K so I'm running less than 10k a year.

Didn't Titans have some original issues?

Are they fixed?

If only I could afford 36K$$ plus.

I went through this recently, there was now dodge or government motors on my list.

I wanted a crew cab half ton and i wanted the 6 1/2' bed with the crew cab

Ford started making them in 06 I believe.

I ended up with an 07 F150 lariat crew cab with the 6 1/2' bed.

I haven't done a long highway trip with it yet but my mixed driving is giving me 16mpg so far.

normal bed length for a crew cab 1/2 ton has been 5 1/2' which I just couldn't buy, too short for me. I need to put an atv or a couple dirt bikes in back now & then.

Voted on by who....Dodge dealers?

I hear ya.

Just my 2 cents, so take it for what its worth. When I was truck shopping in 07, I wanted a crew cab, but hated to give up the bed length. Then I discovered that the Tundra double cab with the 6.5' bed has almost as much back seat as a ford or GM crew cab and has the forward opening doors. The doors are a huge deal if you have ever had to get in and out of the back seat of a truck that has doors that open against each other in a crowded parking lot. The back seat of a Tundra Crewmax is almost ridiculous. I swear it was like sitting in a Limo.

Anyway, after much research and test-driving, I bought the Tundra Double Cab and have been nothing but pleased for 45k miles. I get almost 19 mpg on my daily commute, which is most interstate driving at 75mph.

With the rebates and 0% interest they have going now, it sure looks like a good time to buy.

Huh??? Your basing your decision on hearsay and second hand reports? That's the impression I got when I read this post. Might want to do some real research before you take Dodge off your list, and that's coming from a guy that loves Fords as well as Dodge. I've put close to 50k miles on my truck in less than 3 years and have had zero issues with it. Only thing I've done to mine was fix a very minor exhaust leak, put a K&N CAI on it, keep up on regular maintenance and it continues to run like a top. I'll be upgrading in the next year or so and when I do it will be another Dodge with either the Hemi or Cummins, that is unless those new Ford motors prove to be the cat's a$$, then I might have to make the switch.

Easy now.....thats quite the stretch there, I just dumped a 07 Double cab and the back seat room between the Ford Crew and the Tundra isn't even close. The difference between the CrewMax and the Ford Crew Cab is much closer to each other. My 12 year old and his buddies always complained that there knees were hitting the backs of the front seats. They were astonished when they got in my new Ford Crew cab. And with the Ford CC's being the only ones that have the rear seats completely fold up and out of the way, the rear cargo area in there is insane big. My Rottie just about got lost back there!...grin

Yeah yet ANOTHER F.O.R.D. diesel....how many times have they tried?

Cummins just keeps hummin.

As for the tranny issues, SEVERAL years ago there was in issue with 5th gear, gears coming loose. Long since diagnosed and fixed by anyone with 1/2 a brain and that tranny has been history a long time.

As for Tzone who apparently does not read much:

"Heavyweight Dodge Ram voted 'Truck of the Year'
The Motor Trend award goes to the all-business Dodge work truck."

http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/10/autos/dodge_ram_motor_trend/index.htm

A subscription to TDR might prove enlightening although it has more words than pictures.

The new 6.7 Power Stroke Diesel will be Fords 6th different diesel engine since the first 6.9 L Navistar motor appeared in 1983.

6.9
7.3
7.3 PSD
6.0 PSD
6.4 Twin Turbo PSD

The new 6.7 PSD coming this spring

I hope it is a good one. I also hope they have the bugs worked out in a few years when I'm ready for a new truck, or newer anyway.

Only time will tell.Fords first in house diesel so we'll see.

I have no technical data to back this, but my gut feeling is its going to be a disaster.

Your right Fords has had six different motors, the problem is three of them have been in the last seven years. Doesn't say much for them. And yes I've driven a few, not my personal trucks but company trucks. The 7.3 we have still hums along, everything 04' and newer has been a giant POS, motor wise at least.

Bill

BTW, I'm not a Ford hater at all.
I hope they get it right this time.

I read a posting on Titan Spot that the brakes have been upgraded, the rear ends including 4 pinion spyder gear, a newly designed exhaust manifold and front differential.

Titan Spot

When mine gets close to 36,000 miles I'll buy a Nissan extended warranty...just in case. The Titan is a big, beefy, powerful truck. Check out an SE with the Value Package. All kinds of nice options.

Did I mention $4,000 in rebates? Consumer reports claims average reliability and reccommends them.

Dan

Don't let the MSRP scare you on the Titan (If you like them) I negotiated $3,000 off the MSRP and then took the $4,000 rebate off. Saved $7,000. Ford sells more F-150's in a month than Nissan sells Titans in a year. That's why the big rebates are there and the dealers are motivated.

Don't know if that helps at all in your situation...good luck truck shopping Swift.



Dan

I've been a Paramedic for over 20 years. 99% of ambulances made are Fords. Since the 6.0 our squads have been in the shop for something at least once a month. A county service I worked for part time had to lemon law a year old squad due to Ford diesel issues.

I'm truck shopping as well and the Titan has always had my interest. As far as big 3 1/2 tons. I'm thinking Chevy this time. Then again I can't shake the Tacoma or FJ (even though its not a truck)!!

You didnt say if you wanted fullsize? After driving a ford deisel for 8 years, I went with a 06 tacoma crew cab when I no longer needed the bigger rig for hauling. I liked it so much after I totalled it and had the chance to do it over again, I bought an 07 tacoma crew cab. Long bed with a canopy, for me its the perfect hunting rig. I really like the size. But I dont tow a heavy trailer or anything either.

Look around. Try a diesel. After driving one for 6yrs, I wouldn't get another gas pickup. And if you're ok with buying used, that's even better....I'd say get one a couple yrs old that doesn't have all the emissions crap. My Chev is absolutely the best/most enjoyable truck I've ever had. Dodge guys think theirs is the one, same with Ford guys. Just drive all three and see which you like the best.

In WY Fords are called "Powerpokes" because if you try and haul a six horse slant over Teton pass, you'll be in 1st (or fried) at the top.

Cummins rules, EOS !

If you want a real truck stick with American. If you want a glorified car with a truck body go japanese. Ask any Cummins owner and get a true opinion. I have tried Toy,Nissan, Ford and the wife had a Chevy nothing was as good as my current Dodge 2500 propelled by Cumins.

If you are looking for a gasser with a crew cab, right now no one can beat Fords rebates and price options. I just went through the search for a pick up when dumping the Tundra. You commented that $36,000 is too much $$ for a truck. You can buy a brand new F-150 CC for a heck of a lot less money than that. Even here where prices are ridiculous and theres no competition, I drove away in a brand new F-150 Crew cab with probably more added options than most truck guys would want for a whopping $32,000. I assure you from what I have been reading on Ford Forums, that you could probably drive away in the same truck as mine or a better equipped one in lower America for about $28-29 thousand. GM's deals just werent that sweet compared to Fords.And the Dodge dealer is on crack! With a little homework and persistence, right now you can save close to $10,000 off the sticker of a new F-150, no one else can touch that with current specials. Unless you put 25-30 thousand miles a year on a truck, or must tow some really heavy trailers regularly, dont let these guys sway you towards a diesel. I have had two diesels and they just plain are a pain in the azz unless you need em. They stink (literally), they cost more to maintain and operate, and with the few amount of miles you put on a rig, theres just no benefit for you.

[quote=AlaskaCub] With a little homework and persistence, right now you can save close to $10,000 off the sticker of a new F-150, no one else can touch that with current specials.[quote]

Really? Find that amazing. So the New Dodge Rams that we are selling $8700 to $10,200 off sticker are just the figment of may imagination?

You can get a VERY nice equipped Ram CrewCab, 4x4, Hemi with what I'll bet is more equipment than your Ford for LESS than $30K. I'm not bashing your Ford, as I know they are decent trucks. However, you are wrong as to the deals that only Ford is giving.

Hemi

You might be right Hemi, just stating my recent truck buying experience. In my area Dodge does not have those kind of deals going on, orrrrr they have the sticker prices marked up so high that no rebate in the world can make them look appealing. Most guys who buy new Dodges up here (at least the ones that I know that are smart) fly down to Idaho and buy em from Dave Smith and then drive em back. Our local Dodge dealership has a pretty bad rep, from how much they ask for the trucks, to their inability to repair em.

I will tell you that a buddy of mine recently bought a brand new Dodge Ram 1500 w/ a Hemi for his wife while down in Anchorage for the weekend, and now he doesn't want to drive his 08 Tundra anymore! He loves that new Dodge, but I would expect him too, he paid over $40,000, they seen him coming from a mile away!....grin

The dodge dealer around here are either not doing a good job advertising, or they aren't giving the rebates. I stopped to look at an 08 F-150 they had on the lot. It was next to a new Hemi ram, and I didn't see any word of a rebate, or good financing, nothing like that.

Didn't stick around either though, they wanted $32K for a used f-150 w/42,000 mi.

If you want to go Dodge, check out Dave Smith's for the best deals

http://www.davesmith.com/

I was able to get my '06 2500 rams cummins for $32k, that was $8k off the sticker. It was a base model truck, which is just fine because the accessories are the things that crap out. I can't imagine paying more than $25k for a 1/2 ton truck.

So far I like the ram, it's a solid axle 4X4 truck, manually shifted transfer case. Even though it's a quad cab and not a true crew cab the cab is decent size.

A buddy of mine from Delta Junction got a Diesel Mega Crew with a 6 1/2 ft box back in 08 from Dave Smith. He saved over $10,000 from buying locally here in Fairbanks. I wanna say his truck cost him $36,000 and its got pretty much everything minus leather and TV's. He pulled a trailer back from Seattle for a guy which covered his diesel expenses and he made it back here in like 3 days. If I was buying a Dodge w/ a Diesel, Dave Snith is very hard to beat!

[bleep] Dave Smith Motors. We beat Dave Smith ALL THE TIME.

Sorry for the rant. I will give him this. His telephone sales people are very good at convincing consumers that nobody else can do what they do in the ways of discount. Story is, yes EVERY dealer can do what he does. We choose high volume over high profit too. The thing that irks me over dealers like him, is they do nothing for the brand but whore it out. They bring in buyers from all around sell em and forget them. There is no "AFTER THE SALE SERVICE" they have to be concerned with when their customer is 500 miles away. They leave that up to the local dealer to take care of. I can understand a local dealer putting a Dave Smith customer on the back burner while taking care of "one of theirs". Heck, I do it, but as a customer of mine you can expect us to do what it takes to get your vehicle in as fast as possible.
Personally I believe in supporting your local economy and buy where you live for EVERYTHING you can. There is nothing wrong with shopping around to "keep your local retailers honest" and if they are willing to be competitive you should buy from them.
Rant over.

Hemi

You can dress those trucks out pretty well and if you accessorize them of course you can get even higher. My guess is that he had a trade in and the dealer just left the price on the truck where it was and over-allowed for his trade (showed him more money for his trade than what they were actually putting in it). Some people get so wrapped up in what they get for their trade that is all they are concerend with and if you show them "real numbers" they get all bent out of shape for what they are getting for their trade even though the difference number would be the same. The "games", as you guys call it, that us dealers "play" are usually to try and figure out what kind of buyer the consumer is i.e. trade difference, trade in, apr, discount etc. Show a trade buyer too much discount and not enough for the trade and you loose them. A reason why one price stores have mostly dissapeared and did not fair that well in most markets.
IF, he REALLY paid $40K for his 1/2 ton- Well, I'm glad he likes it

Hemi

I worked for the local Dodge dealership years ago ,and you should of seen the chit storm fights that took place between the dealership GM's/owners and Dave Smith customers. The policy in service was.......no Dave Smith vehicle gets fixed before a $%$#&*%$#% customer gets their vehicle fixed! A vehicle with those neon Dave Smith dealership tags would pull up in service and everyone who wrote service would run! In a place with sub zero temps darn near 6 months of the year , service is always booked up, be it warranty repairs or customer pay, you were looking at a customer who was pulling into the service drive that you knew wasn't getting into the shop in the next 2 months, and it was always a warranty issue. Man those were not good times! But I witnessed a heck of a confrontation between the owner of a very large local company who had bought a truck from Dave Smith and the owner of the Dodge dealership here in which the guy went and got his sales paperwork out of his glove box and proceeded to call the dealership owner a [bleep] thief, and that it was businesses like our dealership that was killing the local economy and training people to look elsewhere. I knew the guy pretty well and after the GM/Owner stormed out of service I asked the guy if I could look at the paperwork, and he didn't just save a couple thousand dollars, it was more like $8,000. There should never be that much of a difference in prices IMO.

No stretch. The backseat space in a Ford Crew Cab is no where close to that of a Tundra CrewMax. Frankly the Tundra Quad and Ford Crew Cab are closer than the Crew Cab and the CrewMax.

Expat

Your right, the Tundra Double cab and the Ford Super Crew are very close in size. I havent owned both trucks in the last month, I am talking out of my azz!

After almost 2 years and 18k miles I haven't had any problems with my 08 Chevy Silverado Crew Cab 4x4. I have the 4.8L V8 and it tows with no problems my larger pop up, family, and gear up to 7 thousand feet from around 1100. I average 18.5 miles to the gallon with mostly city driving. I've had it up and down some pretty hairy 4x4 trails in Southern Arizona chasing coues whitetail deer and it did well. The rear seat space is spacious too. I pretty much stole it when they were offering the employee pricing a few years back.

TFF!!

I think we are comparing apples and oranges, Cub. According to MSN Autos, my 2007 Tundra DC has 35" of rear legroom, the 2007 Ford CC has 39" and the 2010 Ford CC has 43.5" so if we are talking 2007 vs 2007, it is closer, which is what I said to start with. Appearantly Ford has greatly increased their back seat in recent models. Just for comparison the Tundra Crewmax has 44.5".

The point of my original email was not to put down or insult Ford. I happen to like Fords and my previous truck was a '97 F-150. My original post was simply to throw out an idea to someone who asked a question. The DC works great for me cause I rarely have adults in my back seat. I use it 99% of the time for storage of hunting clothes and such.

I hear ya man, and I wasn't "defending" ford pickups, I was defending my sanity. Its just that while I was buying the new Ford, every single person in my family as well as the guys at work has commented on how big the rear seat area is in the new F-150's. I slept in the back seat area a couple weeks back while up north chasing wolves, and my 100 lb Rottie pup rides around in the truck with me,he's a good area size determinating factor!...grin Seriously though, the back seat is friggin huge compared to the back seat of my double cab Tundra I traded in. So it was a little hard to swallow someone telling me that I am flipping crazy! 2009 was when they extended the rear cab in the F-150's.

After seeing the prices of these newer trucks, I will probably never buy a new vehicle again. Seriously, $30,000+ for a truck??

Dude....new 4x4 full sized trucks have costed $30,000+ for at least the last 10 years. Cept the reg cab, and base model pickups, that is, aint nuthin new.

That's only for the cowboy cadalacs, 1/2 ton gassers run not much over $20k, diesels run not much over $30k. I'm talking base models for folks that know how to dicker on the sticker price. I too can't imagine putting $40-50k into a truck, especially when all those bells and whistles depriciate to nothing and are the items that tend to crap out first.

Given the hastles of dealing with stealerships, I too am unlikely to buy a new vehicle for a long time, if ever.

Was there something that I said that made you think I don't know that already? My point is that they are overpriced and I don't give a [bleep] what kind of truck it is or what it comes with, $30k+ is too much money. And there are those that will pay closer to $50K so they can have one with all the bells and whistles on them, you want to spend that kind of money then knock yourself out but I won't do it myself.

I bought a brand spanking new Ford F150 with zero miles on it in 2001, was a regular cab and didn't have any power equipment other than steering and brakes and I spent less than $16K for it. Good luck finding anything new even close to that price nowadays. Inflation, yeah, I know all about that too.

Wasn't sure when the last time you peeked at new truck prices is all, they have been high for a really long time. And I dont know how prices are for the guys in the lower 48 ( I know your from Alaska too) , but up here $16,000 barely gets you a Toyota Corolla, or a Chevy Cobalt. Everything is crazy espensive.

The funny part to me is that you can go to a local dealership and the 1 year old truck with 20,000 miles on it is for sale on their used car lot for all of $2,000 less than a new one can be had for , after rebates and such. Its really a no brainer. Never understood that one.

In 1996 I bought a Toyota Tacoma Xtra cab SR5, paid 22,000 for it, today the same (compact truck) Tacoma is stickered over $30,000, its [bleep] crazy if you ask me.

We're a cranky bunch all of us.

I blame Obama.



That is all, as you were men.

The way mid size trucks are priced it doesn't seem worth getting one compared to a full size. At least new ones.

I needed a crew cab for my growing children. I only use a truck for light duty. But when I compared mid size crew cabs to full size crew cabs I found that the mid size mpg wasn't really much better than full size. Once the bigger rebates and incentives kicked in on the full size trucks I just didn't see the value in going smaller.

Extended and Reg cab mid size trucks are still decent value with smaller engines and perhaps a standard tranny. I traded a Chevy Colorado Ext. cab with the 5 cyl and manual tranny. Decent gas milage and a good size for my trucking needs. But no room my growing kids in the back.

Dan

Worse part about it all is, you buy a new truck and drive it off the lot and it automatically drops a couple thousand in value. When I buy a truck it will be a 3-5 year old truck with low miles and I won't compromise on what I want. Lots of storage room, power everything, leather interior, and plenty of power and decent mileage. My only regret in buying my last truck was not getting a Hemi but I didn't really see the need for it back then. Sure wish I had one now though.....

"Your right, the Tundra Double cab and the Ford Super Crew are very close in size. I havent owned both trucks in the last month, I am talking out of my azz!"

You said it, not me.

Whats the matter Expat, cant take a little sarcasm when your wrong? Just for clarification,heres the numbers....you tell me whats closest to what

2010 Tundra DC

Rear leg room--------34.7"
Rear Shoulder room---65.7"
Rear Headroom--------38.7"

2010 Tundra CM

Rear leg room--------44.5"
Rear Shoulder room---65.4"
Rear Headroom--------38.7"

2010 F-150 SCREW

Rear leg room--------43.5"
Rear Shoulder room---65.6"
Rear Headroom--------40.3"

Keep it coming!
Drove a Dodge and Ford today.

Dodge was sweet and a bit more refined.

Ford was more truck like.

Tomorrow test driving a Tundra and Titan

Press the Toyota and Nissan dealers hard. You should be able to get them close to or at invoice before the rebates are deducted. Toyoya sales are down overall and Nissan Titan sales aren't setting the world on fire.

Dan

Off to the dealerships!

Didn't care for the Titan at all.

Now the Tundra DC was sweet (crew cab sweeter) and plenty of room in the back for the teenagers.

Time to ponder and search for a deal...

The Tundra does have plenty of room. Even the double cab is comfortable in the back. I guess it all depends on how much time the teenagers will be sitting back there.

If its an occasional ride or short trips than the DC might do. I know I could stretch my legs out all of the way in the back of the Crew Max. My problem was that The Crew Max's by me were all black and loaded with options that made them a lttle pricey for me. As the weeks have gone by perhaps the dealers will be a little hungrier. The end of the month is upon them.

Good luck,


Dan

I ride in the back of all three regularly. Your "I bought a Ford, do you like me now?" schtick is pretty pathetic. You sound like a whiney chick. Maybe you are.

I dont need anyones love over a [bleep] truck, you are obviously a touchy [bleep] that dont take to well to being wrong, and obviously cant handle sarcasm! You [bleep] post to me .....the owner of a Tundra Double cab for almost 3 [bleep] years, that I dont know how big the back seat in my turck is, and you call me a whiney chick? Dont know what your problem is dude, but you need help! Maybe your azz is chapped over the fact that I finally admitted that my Tundra was a [bleep] POS, and you happen to own one?????????

Going with a Tundra DC.

I think you made an excellent choice and hope you like it.

I appologize for the off-topic bitching by others that I appearantly started when I suggested a Tundra.

Congrats! Did you iron out a deal yet or just made a decision on what your getting?

Dan

You buying a truck or making and investment? Making an investment..... I gotta bridge you can buy

Just saying...... You don't buy vehicle (typically- some may be collectors) for their resale value down the road. One of the reason leasing was so good for people who trade every 2-4 or so years (ok for those that don't understand leasing flame on). But seriously, least amount of money invested in a DEPRECIATING asset.

Hemi

Seriously?

J/K Good luck with your purchse.

Hemi

Your the one paying for it, so your the only one that needs to like it. Hope you have better luck with yours, than I did with mine. They are all sweet when they are new!

Everything is sweet when new.

I would not go that route. Ever notice how Toyota truck owners explain why they bought a Toyota?

Get a Chevy or Ford and leave the Toyota for the Pink Izod wearing Golfers to carry there clubs in.

Been driving Toyota trucks for the last 15+ yrs and never explained jack.

Actually picking up my Tundra DC Longbed 4x4 Wed eve.

There cute trucks, enjoy.

That's great. The back of the Tundra DC had about the same amount of leg room as my old 97 Explorer (if my memory serves). I'm 6' and I wasn't cramped in the back of the DC.

Best of luck with it.

Dan

Thanks Dan!

Never said a word about investing in anything. So why does the value drop so significantly once it's driven off the lot? They don't call them "stealerships" for nothing.

So you mean to tell me you would pay the EXACT same for a brand new truck still on MSO than you would for a identical truck with lets say 500 miles that the warranty started 3 month ago? Really... you would.
OK, let's say you don't (like most normal people) and say it is worth less. Well, now you have just established MARKET VALUE. Read again, you being the consumer have just established market value. If you the consumer is not willing to pay the same for the vehicle as a new one, why is the dealership going to pay you the same as a new one? You are a tool.

Hemi

Hahahaha, I see you took offense to my "stealership" remark. The truth hurts doesn't it? Your a typical [bleep] dealer, no different than say, Cal Worthington.......lol

WWWWAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

Swift,

Do we get to see some pics of the new ride? And did you get the 4.7 or 5.7?

Bimmer

Got the 4.6L. I'll try and get one of the kids to take a pic or two after school and post um.

I totalled a less than one year old tacoma (2006) with 9000 miles on it. Insurance paid out more than I paid new. The used comparable rigs in my area were advertised for a about $1500 more than I paid (factory invoice).

But only with a toyota...

Too late now, but one of my work trucks is a 2009 F150 CC 6.5 box. If I put the driver's seat all the way back/all the way down (power seat), I feel like a little kid when driving it. As a 6'6" 340 lb. guy, that's an unusual feeling! Back seat is huge, too. I have plenty of room back there.

Sure does suck when trying to park in the local Albertsons, though!

Some guidance and maybe our computer challenged household can figure this out. (pic posting)

Swift,

Here's a couple of photos of the Titan I bought a month ago...

Dan

Real nice looking Dan!

How's yer gas mileage? So far I've managed to keep a soft foot.

I'm getting 14-15 mpg in mixed driving. I've been on one long trip where it approached 18 mpg. It stays pretty close to the 13/17 mpg from the factory sticker.

I drive like an old man with it too unless I need to pass some one...then I let 'er rip. It's a fun truck to drive...it kind of reminds me of my my first car, an old '68 Cougar that I had when I was a kid. Just much more refined. The gas milage isn't much different either!

Dan

Good luck with your Tundra! I hope yours works out better for you than mine did for me! If you don't work it too hard I'm sure it will be fine. They are a damn easy on the eyes, I think it's a good looking truck!

I would be easy on the tailgate and not load anything like a 4wheeler on or off of it and pay close attention to the dash, mine sunk down quite a bit. I normally wouldn't buy an extended warranty for a vehicle but if you can get one cheap I'd consider doing it. Toyota didn't want to cover the dash under warranty so I'd pay attention to it and take it in asap if it sinks

Drum

I was in the market for a truck until yesterday...

The Tundra was never on my list as I know too many people that have had nothing but headaches and problems.

Nissan not the on list either as everyone I've been around squeaks and rattles.

I've never been a fan of Dodge.... unless it's got a Cummings Diesel. I have no need for a diesel...

I've had a love/hate relationship with Chevrolets over the years. The current Suburban I have has had the tire pressure monitor go out twice. The passenger airbag replaced, twice. The air bag light on the dash is back on again.... and of course out of warranty.

Leaves Ford. I had a 4x4 Lariat a few years back. Zero issues.

Ended up buying a 2010 SVT Raptor with the 6.2L

Bad ass Truck! Should be able to go anywhere.

aaahhh. We need pics of this.

We really do need pictures of that rig.

Pics would be nice!