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Sounds like you might be trying to fix something that's not broke. I had a VXII 2-7 on a 260 Kimber that I thought was a good fit for that rifle. YMMV. I won't argue that point!  Wouldn't be the first time. Wouldn't be my first time either. But ain't it a Gaaaaasssssssssssss. Tom.
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The new 3.5-10X40 VX3 Leupolds apparently have from 3.8-3.4 inches of eye relief, which is shorter than the older 3.5-10X40's at 4.4-3.6 inches. Their eye boxes, however, are as big as they have always been at 3.5X and 6X as far as I can tell. E So then there is no relationship between large eye boxes and eye relief or is this another Leupold exclusive.
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Jeff,
IMO nothing answers "lightweight, trim, medium power variable riflescope", plus great eye relief and reliablity, like a 2-7 Leupold.
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Hey Hogghead,
I called Natchez, they have lots of those Swaro's in stock so... I may just do this.
Since you obviously "speak the language" of optics, would you mind talking a bit about what we call "eye box" on this forum, with relation to the Swaro 3-10x42? Most particularly, at low power settings?
(eye box is, as far as I can tell, how forgiving the scope is of head position. For example, a 2.5-8 Leupold has a HUGE eye box at 2.5x, just huge. A 3-9 Conquest has what I would say is a satisfactory eye box. Etc.)
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Jeff, I've compiled quite a bit of time with the Z3 3-9X36 on a light 300 WSM. I feel if the scope is mounted properly, your not going to have an issue with any of the Swaro lines.
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In some of the suggestions on here, I guess I don't understand. It's been noted that you have a 2.5-8 VX-III on the gun, why put a VX-II or VX-2 or whatever it is on the same gun??????
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I mount my rifles with my head further back on the stock than some, and I like my scopes back towards me usually as far as the rings will let them come.
I don't think 3.5" of eye relief would be problematic on a Kimber WSM due to the relatively short action. But that's about as short as I'd want to go in terms of ER.
Liv2Hunt, is the eye relief constant through the power range, more or less?
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In some of the suggestions on here, I guess I don't understand. It's been noted that you have a 2.5-8 VX-III on the gun, why put a VX-II or VX-2 or whatever it is on the same gun?????? Yeah, that would be a step in the wrong direction. I am perfectly happy with the VX-III 2.5-8 I have on it, but I'm always up for being happier!
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I know, "best" is a tough one but I'd be curious to hear where you all think the convergence of the attributes I mentioned lies. Think, 2-10x as the power range limits. So a 2.5-8, 3-9, etc would all qualify as of course would a 2-10x. I have a Kimber that is currently well served by a Leup 2.5-8 with a B&C reticle. So of course, I am considering messing with it <grin>. I do NOT want to get into a significantly bigger, heavier scope or I'd just put a 3-9x Conquest on it. However in the big picture of what is and is not getting used in my gunsafe, I suppose I could rustle up some extra dough and go "alpha" (say, Swarovski) IF it was a genuine, real improvement over say a VX3 2.5-8 Leupold. Curious what ya'll think, especially ya'll with more money than me who've tried the lightweight, trim "alpha" scopes.  The very word "best" totally rules out any loopie product. My pick. The Zeiss Victory Diavari 2.5-10x42 dave
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Jeff, you can buy the Kahles 2-7x36 CL scope for 499 NIB from CDNN. If that is not a deal I don't know what is.
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I'm pretty sure that Kahles won't suit the geometry of Jeff's situation.
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The little 2-7x36 Kahles is a superb scope, but it is fairly short, so you might not be able to move it as far back as you want.
In that regard, a larger Kahles CL 3-9x42 may be a better bet and a very good buy for the money.
If you are inclined to look at tweener scopes, Vortex Viper 2-7x32 may be worth a look.
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ILya,
Has the warranty/service issue with the CL model been hashed out somewhere?
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I do not have any problems at all with the Swarovski 3-10. However I have mine mounted on a rifle with a high rollover and a thumbhole stock. So my cheek weld is very consistent on the stock. It seems to fit me perfectly. And I have the scope adjusted perfectly to fit me. So I do not really have a problem with an "eye box". IMO I do not make the scope fit me. I make the stock fit me. And if the stock fits then the scope has little choice but to fall in line. And if you can not make the scope work, well then get a different scope. However the A-line is long enough to allow enough adjustment to remedy any problems I have ever had. I have also found that with a Picatinny type rail mount and the right rings I do not have any problems with any scopes I have. Tom.
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ILya,
Has the warranty/service issue with the CL model been hashed out somewhere?
m Kahles has a new US distributor. It looks like they will have a US-based service center, so we'll see how it goes. I am cautiously optimistic. ILya
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I do not have any problems at all with the Swarovski 3-10. However I have mine mounted on a rifle with a high rollover and a thumbhole stock. So my cheek weld is very consistent on the stock. It seems to fit me perfectly. And I have the scope adjusted perfectly to fit me. So I do not really have a problem with an "eye box". IMO I do not make the scope fit me. I make the stock fit me. And if the stock fits then the scope has little choice but to fall in line. And if you can not make the scope work, well then get a different scope. However the A-line is long enough to allow enough adjustment to remedy any problems I have ever had. I have also found that with a Picatinny type rail mount and the right rings I do not have any problems with any scopes I have. Tom. Thanks. A Picatinny is out of the question here; it's a featherweight rifle remember. I'll be mounting it within the constraints of Talley LW's. Which doesn't look to be a problem, but... that's the gig here.
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I believe that Warne makes a two piece that has at least two slots in each base.
I have ran into problems before(not with the Swaro) because my rings were either too close or too far apart. That is why I like the options the Picatinney style base gives me. Tom.
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The Picatinny setup is the bomb, if weight isn't a concern, no question.
Wish I could get my eyeballs on one before I pull the trigger on off'ing my Leups. Anyone buy from Natchez? Do they have a decent return policy? Not that I'd be expecting to return it but.....
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All right Tom, you done did it to me. Just put (2) Boone and Crocket 2.5-8's on the classifieds ($335 shipped) and (2) sets of Alumina flip ups ($65 shipped) which will just about cover that Swarovski. Oh Lordy... what have I done... an Alpha scope. I fear this could take me to a Very Bad Place.
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That Swaro isn't Alpha. Beta+ or Alpha- maybe.
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