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Reaching 3000 with a 180 in a 7 mm #3944916 03/28/10
Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 14,475 Northern Arizona S SU35 OP Campfire Outfitter
OP SU35 Campfire Outfitter S Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 14,475 Northern Arizona	Can you reach 3,000 mv shooting a 180 Berger in a 7mm Rem Mag or 7mm WSM? 27" barrel.

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Re: Reaching 3000 with a 180 in a 7 mm SU35 #3944938 03/28/10
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,933 Calgary, AB R Rman Campfire Regular
Rman Campfire Regular R Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,933 Calgary, AB	I'm going to say it's possible, in the Remmy. I'd try it first with RL-22. Moly probably wouldn't hurt. New project? R. You can run, but you'll just die tired.

Re: Reaching 3000 with a 180 in a 7 mm Rman #3945036 03/28/10
Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 14,475 Northern Arizona S SU35 OP Campfire Outfitter
OP SU35 Campfire Outfitter S Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 14,475 Northern Arizona	Yes, new build. I bought that Brux 7mm 1/8.6 barrel that was for sale here with the idea in mind of pushing 180 VLD's at 3,000, that's my goal anyways.

Re: Reaching 3000 with a 180 in a 7 mm SU35 #3945142 03/29/10
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,931 Oly.WA J Jamie Campfire Tracker
Jamie Campfire Tracker J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,931 Oly.WA	I bet 3000 is posible out of a 27" barrel Should make for a fun longrange toy.

Re: Reaching 3000 with a 180 in a 7 mm Jamie #3945413 03/29/10
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 57,494 Alaska R rost495 Campfire Kahuna
rost495 Campfire Kahuna R Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 57,494 Alaska	Its interesting reading anyway.... http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek064.html Jeff We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....

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Re: Reaching 3000 with a 180 in a 7 mm rost495 #3945575 03/29/10
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,538 Kentucky K kyreloader Campfire Regular
kyreloader Campfire Regular K Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,538 Kentucky	I have a 284 Shehane barrel for just this purpose. It is getting screwed on as we speak. Looking at 6br.com, looks like 3050fps is possible with RL17 and 2950fps with H4831SC. http://www.6mmbr.com/7mm284.html

Re: Reaching 3000 with a 180 in a 7 mm SU35 #3945670 03/29/10
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 17,264 Likes: 1 Northern Louisiana JPro Campfire Ranger
JPro Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 17,264 Likes: 1 Northern Louisiana	I'd bet that the 7RM is capable of getting close to 3,000fps with a 180gr in a 27" barrel. I'm sure you have already given thought to throat length and having less bullet in the case will certainly increase powder capacity. The 7x300WinMag would give a bit more horsepower without using a full H&H length case. A 3.6" M700 mag box should offer enough wiggle. Now with even more aplomb

Re: Reaching 3000 with a 180 in a 7 mm JPro #3945680 03/29/10
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 57,494 Alaska R rost495 Campfire Kahuna
rost495 Campfire Kahuna R Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 57,494 Alaska	I have a 28 inch 7x300wtby... but I have not had time to break out the 180s yet so I can't help on that end either... We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....

Re: Reaching 3000 with a 180 in a 7 mm SU35 #3945901 03/29/10
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 5,173 Washington - dry side G GuyM Campfire Tracker
GuyM Campfire Tracker G Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 5,173 Washington - dry side	I've seen well over 2900 fps with 175 gr Sierras & Noslers from 24 & 26" barrels in 7mm Rem mag. I'd think with a good long barrel, 3,000 fps is possible with the 180's. Might just be easier to chamber it for the STW or the RUM instead though...

Re: Reaching 3000 with a 180 in a 7 mm GuyM #3946311 03/29/10
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,210 SW MS EddyBo Campfire Tracker
EddyBo Campfire Tracker Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,210 SW MS	I built a 7mag for a buddy that pushes the 180s at 3000 with some amazing accuracy. How those guys are getting 3000 with a 284win is beyond me....but then again I could never get my 6.5x284 to 3000 with the 140s without ruining my brass. Maybe they are not worried about case life, maybe they just have faster barrels, maybe they are just willing to push hard than I am, I dunno.

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Re: Reaching 3000 with a 180 in a 7 mm EddyBo #3947227 03/29/10
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Tonk Campfire Tracker Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,090 Chicago, Ill.	A 28 inch barrel and your own your way! Thank Our Veterans! GOD Bless Them All UNIONS BUILDING AMERICA, SALUTE ALL THE UNION TRADESMAN

Re: Reaching 3000 with a 180 in a 7 mm Tonk #3947974 03/29/10
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 8,423 Wa west 🇱🇷 F fredIII Campfire Outfitter
fredIII Campfire Outfitter F Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 8,423 Wa west 🇱🇷	rl 17 6.5 x 284 130grn ab 3150 140s at 3075 brass just fine 26in barrel

Re: Reaching 3000 with a 180 in a 7 mm fredIII #3948067 03/29/10
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 24,851 USA T Tom264 Campfire Ranger
Tom264 Campfire Ranger T Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 24,851 USA	STW .

Re: Reaching 3000 with a 180 in a 7 mm Tom264 #3948738 03/30/10
Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 374 Georgia J JimBobwsm Campfire Member
JimBobwsm Campfire Member J Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 374 Georgia	7wby will get you there easily. I bet you can get it out of a 7wsm. I am getting 2850 out of a 24" tube with 57.0grs of IMR 4831.

Re: Reaching 3000 with a 180 in a 7 mm JimBobwsm #3948855 03/30/10
Joined: May 2009 Posts: 17,311 Likes: 9 Cheyenne, Wy Fotis Campfire Ranger
Fotis Campfire Ranger Joined: May 2009 Posts: 17,311 Likes: 9 Cheyenne, Wy	Are you limited by action length? Are you set on the 7mm Rem mag? https://thehandloadinglog.wordpress.com μολὼν λαβέ "Weatherby was too long so I nicknamed it "Bee""

Re: Reaching 3000 with a 180 in a 7 mm SU35 #3948866 03/30/10
Joined: May 2009 Posts: 17,311 Likes: 9 Cheyenne, Wy Fotis Campfire Ranger
Fotis Campfire Ranger Joined: May 2009 Posts: 17,311 Likes: 9 Cheyenne, Wy	Cartridge : 7 mm Rem. Mag. Bullet : .284, 180, Berger VLD Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.290 inch or 83.57 mm Barrel Length : 27.0 inch or 685.8 mm Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders. Matching Maximum Pressure: 63570 psi, or 438 MPa or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 % These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window. C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations. USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON ! Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time % Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms --------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ADI AR 2218 110.0 76.6 4.96 3101 99.0 62783 13577 1.288 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N570 106.6 73.4 4.76 3095 98.9 63570 13315 1.305 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon Retumbo 110.0 72.3 4.68 3038 100.0 62843 11494 1.306 ! Near Maximum ! Norma MRP 2 105.6 69.0 4.47 3018 100.0 63570 11753 1.323 ! Near Maximum ! Ramshot Magnum (Big Boy) 100.0 70.0 4.54 3016 100.0 63570 11552 1.307 ! Near Maximum ! PB Clermont PCL 517 100.4 70.1 4.54 3015 100.0 63570 11543 1.307 ! Near Maximum ! SNPE Vectan SP 12 100.3 69.9 4.53 3014 100.0 63570 11513 1.308 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N560 97.6 65.2 4.22 3014 100.0 63570 11835 1.313 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate MAGPRO 97.9 68.0 4.41 3012 99.6 63570 12035 1.320 ! Near Maximum ! Norma MRP 95.7 65.3 4.23 3001 100.0 63570 11311 1.321 ! Near Maximum ! IMR 7828 102.0 64.8 4.20 3001 100.0 63570 11401 1.303 ! Near Maximum ! IMR 7828 SSC 96.5 64.8 4.20 3001 100.0 63570 11401 1.303 ! Near Maximum ! Alliant Reloder-25 103.4 67.2 4.35 2995 100.0 63570 10889 1.312 ! Near Maximum ! ADI AP 2214 101.5 68.9 4.46 2992 100.0 63570 11161 1.297 ! Near Maximum ! ADI AR 2213 97.6 64.5 4.18 2991 100.0 63570 11355 1.300 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon H1000 106.8 69.0 4.47 2990 100.0 63570 11130 1.297 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori 24N41 109.0 75.9 4.92 2984 94.3 63570 12243 1.301 ! Near Maximum ! Raufoss RA15 97.9 64.7 4.19 2982 100.0 63570 11234 1.320 ! Near Maximum ! Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 97.9 64.7 4.19 2982 100.0 63570 11234 1.320 ! Near Maximum ! Alliant Reloder-22 97.9 64.7 4.19 2982 100.0 63570 11234 1.320 ! Near Maximum ! Winchester WXR 100.5 65.0 4.21 2982 100.0 63570 11261 1.320 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon H870 110.0 74.2 4.81 2978 99.2 57016 12614 1.373 ! Near Maximum ! Rottweil R905 99.2 64.4 4.17 2958 99.9 63570 11124 1.319 ! Near Maximum ! ADI AR 2209 94.6 61.5 3.99 2943 100.0 63570 10690 1.308 ! Near Maximum ! Alliant Reloder-19 95.1 62.2 4.03 2941 100.0 63570 10746 1.316 ! Near Maximum ! Bofors RP14 ~approximation 95.8 62.6 4.06 2935 100.0 63570 10675 1.316 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N170 109.7 70.9 4.59 2929 97.6 63570 11418 1.332 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon H4831 SC 96.4 63.7 4.13 2927 99.9 63570 10795 1.313 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon H4831 100.3 63.7 4.13 2927 99.9 63570 10795 1.313 ! Near Maximum ! Winchester 760 85.7 59.2 3.84 2922 100.0 63570 10311 1.325 ! Near Maximum ! Ramshot Hunter 90.7 61.2 3.97 2920 100.0 63570 10286 1.325 ! Near Maximum ! Bofors RP4 ~approximation 93.3 61.0 3.95 2920 100.0 63570 10499 1.316 ! Near Maximum ! Norma 204 90.4 61.0 3.95 2920 100.0 63570 10499 1.316 ! Near Maximum ! Raufoss RA4 93.3 61.0 3.95 2920 100.0 63570 10499 1.316 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon H4350 90.5 58.8 3.81 2917 100.0 63570 10127 1.318 ! Near Maximum ! IMR 4350 92.9 58.1 3.77 2910 100.0 63570 10100 1.320 ! Near Maximum ! Lovex-D1001 106.5 74.9 4.85 2907 94.8 63570 11282 1.321 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon H414 83.8 58.3 3.78 2903 100.0 63570 10187 1.330 ! Near Maximum ! Somchem S385 95.2 62.9 4.08 2899 100.0 63570 10192 1.338 ! Near Maximum ! Rottweil R904 94.3 60.8 3.94 2897 100.0 63570 10342 1.317 ! Near Maximum ! Winchester Supreme 780 94.0 64.8 4.20 2897 100.0 63570 10246 1.324 ! Near Maximum ! Alliant Reloder-17 83.6 57.3 3.71 2893 100.0 63570 9717 1.316 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N550 87.8 58.6 3.80 2892 100.0 63570 9984 1.335 ! Near Maximum ! Norma URP 90.3 58.4 3.78 2890 100.0 63570 9845 1.333 ! Near Maximum ! Bofors RP19 ~approximation 90.3 58.4 3.78 2889 100.0 63570 9843 1.333 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N165 100.4 64.9 4.20 2886 100.0 63570 9986 1.329 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate 4350 93.4 58.4 3.78 2883 100.0 63570 9775 1.352 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N160 100.7 63.1 4.09 2881 100.0 63570 10165 1.320 ! Near Maximum ! Somchem S365 91.7 59.6 3.86 2879 100.0 63570 9533 1.344 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate 3100 103.7 64.1 4.15 2877 100.0 63570 9848 1.356 ! Near Maximum ! Lovex-S0701 90.4 58.4 3.79 2871 100.0 63570 9833 1.337 ! Near Maximum ! IMR 4831 94.7 59.3 3.84 2870 100.0 63570 9623 1.343 ! Near Maximum ! Ramshot BigGame 84.3 56.9 3.69 2864 100.0 63570 9516 1.332 ! Near Maximum ! SNPE Vectan SP 11 84.5 57.0 3.69 2862 100.0 63570 9504 1.332 ! Near Maximum ! Rottweil R907 88.6 56.9 3.68 2858 100.0 63570 9742 1.329 ! Near Maximum ! IMR 4007 SSC 85.9 56.9 3.69 2858 100.0 63570 9736 1.329 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon H380 83.7 55.9 3.62 2854 100.0 63570 9533 1.338 ! Near Maximum ! Bofors RP11 ~approximation 82.4 53.9 3.49 2850 100.0 63570 9392 1.335 ! Near Maximum ! Alliant Reloder-15 82.4 53.9 3.49 2850 100.0 63570 9392 1.335 ! Near Maximum ! https://thehandloadinglog.wordpress.com μολὼν λαβέ "Weatherby was too long so I nicknamed it "Bee""

Re: Reaching 3000 with a 180 in a 7 mm Fotis #3952115 03/31/10
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 4,305 Likes: 2 Tucson, Az. Azshooter Campfire Tracker
Azshooter Campfire Tracker Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 4,305 Likes: 2 Tucson, Az.	I will agree you should be able to get close to 3000 with a 27" barrel. A more important question might be, "can you get the 180 VLD to shoot?" My friends and I have put the 180 VLD through its paces with the following rifles: 7 rem mag two different STWs a 284 shehane 284 win 7 RUM The 7 rem mag, the shehane, 284 and Rum shot the 180 very well. The STWs wouldn't. I have the 7 rem mag and can share what I have done. It is a 3 groove 30". I chose RL-25. The bullet shot its best .035" into the rifling with 69 gr of powder for a velocity of 3065 fps. As the 3 groove throat wore it began to "eat" those 180 hunting VLDs. I was advised by guys on Long Range hunting that the combination of 1 in 7 AND a 3 groove would destroy bullets at around the 200 round mark and they were right. At that point I reworked the load and dropped the charge weight of RL-25 to 66 grs with the heavier jacketed 180 target VLD, velocity was 2950. Things went well till round count 350, then it began to destroy the heavies! I doubt you will have the issues that I encountered with the wrong barrel but you might not be able to get the bullet to shoot. Just be aware that you may have to fall back to an alternative bullet. FYI my friend had the 3 groove 1 in 7 twist on the first STW and his ate bullets at an earlier round count. He rebarreled with a 6 groove 1 in 9 twist and THAT didn't shoot the VLDs either. He eventually settled on the 160 accubond. That 1 in 7 3 groove became the 284 on another rifle and it finally shoots the 180s with a moderate dose of H4831. As for my 30" 7 rem mag? I was forced to use accubonds or monos like the E-tip. I molyed at that point and the 140 accubonds are screaming along at 3400 fps with 66 grs of RL-17. The 150 e-tip liked 65 grs of RL-17 for vel of 3355. If Power Pro 4000 MR ever arrives I'd consider that powder for your 7 rem mag. It is supposed to be formulated like RL-17 and may be just the thing for boosting velocity with your 27" barrel. Hope this helped.

Re: Reaching 3000 with a 180 in a 7 mm Azshooter #3953300 03/31/10
Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 14,475 Northern Arizona S SU35 OP Campfire Outfitter
OP SU35 Campfire Outfitter S Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 14,475 Northern Arizona	Quote Hope this helped. Very much so! I've been reading and re-reading the post here and a lot of great input has been given. I greatly appreciate it.

Re: Reaching 3000 with a 180 in a 7 mm SU35 #3953969 03/31/10
Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 8,759 M MtnHtr Campfire Outfitter
MtnHtr Campfire Outfitter M Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 8,759	RL25 in the 7RM & 7WSM would be a good bet and would get you there I'm almost certain. Link to 7 thread MtnHtr

Re: Reaching 3000 with a 180 in a 7 mm MtnHtr #3954540 03/31/10
Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 14,475 Northern Arizona S SU35 OP Campfire Outfitter
OP SU35 Campfire Outfitter S Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 14,475 Northern Arizona	good link

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