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#396965 - 12/30/04 Re: 243 on Elk
SteelyEyes Offline
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I don't know about the recoil reduction from experience. The gun was built with the barrel that was MagNaPorted from day one. I do know that my .300 with the porting and synthetic stock weighs less than my Sako Finbar .30-06 and it has less felt recoil. It might be the design of the stock, although the shapes are pretty identical with the exception of the fore end.

When this barrel gets burned out and my groups get too big I'll go with a real brake. There weren't that many out back when I had the rifle built.

The way I got my kids worked around recoil is a lot of shooting with .22s or air rifles so they learn good skills there. Then move them up to a hunting weight rifle but don't have them shoot so many rounds at a time that they get hammered. Then go back to the .22. It helps to have the same sight system (scopes for us) on both weapons.

My daughter's rifle is a .308. It's a tiny Model 7 that weighs almost nothing and has a very straight stock. It kicks like it has a grudge but she can still make it hit because it fits her and she learned to shoot first.

Realistically you don't need a lot of rounds through your hunting rig to be able to shoot it well enough to hunt, unless you want to snipe at long range but that's not for beginners.
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#396966 - 12/31/04 Re: 243 on Elk
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I'll have to agree that the muzzlebrake idea is bad news for anyone's ears... let alone youngins.
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#396967 - 12/31/04 Re: 243 on Elk
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I can also vouch for the .243 on elk. I got two in Washington state when I was living in Seattle during my Coast Guard days. 100 grain core lokt or Hornady sp will do the trick. But....as always....pick your shot carefully!
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#396968 - 01/04/05 Re: 243 on Elk
JBD Offline
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.264, most here are saying the .243 is fine for Elk and many of them have far more experience than I have but I still strongly disagree. Of course the caliber with the right bullet placed perfectly when close up will roll any elk that ever walked. That does not mean a .243 is an Elk caliber! What happens when the range isn't so short, the angle perfect, or you just plain screw the pooch and put that little bullet in the wrong place? It can all happen with bigger calibers as well but you unquestionably have more "slop in the system" with something bigger if things don't go like the textbooks say they shood. I don't know about you, but Mr. Murphy is always looking over my shoulder. I don't always get the perfect angle (read never) or the short shot, and thought I hate to admit it I have made a few shots that were less than perfect. An expert hunter capable of getting very close and putting the bullet precisely where they want it may find the .243 workable but I doubt any kid qualifies. In my opinion low recoil is simply not a sufficient excuse for using a marginal caliber like a .243. Many may disagree, but regardless of the game being hunted, ground hog to elephant, the hunter owes it to the animal to use enough gun to get the job done under the worst circumstances reasonably imaginable or stay home.

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#396969 - 01/07/05 Re: 243 on Elk
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Registered: 05/07/03
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Loc: Colorado
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I guided elk hunters for awhile, a little over 20 years. I wouldn't go out and buy a .243 for an elk rifle, but I sure would have a lot more confidence in a guy that could shoot a .243 well, than I would in a guy shooting a magnum that he was afraid of. When working as a licensed outfitter my advice to my hunters was that if they weren't already shooting a mag, don't go out and buy one just to hunt elk. Most guys did better with the deer rifles they were acustomed to. IMO a magnum is best used by those looking to increase their range beyond the 300 yds that the '06 based rounds are adequate for. I wouldn't hesitate using my .243 on elk, assuming relatively short ranges, say 150 yds or so, heavy Barnes or partition bullets, and broadside shots. I think of it as a varmint round that, with proper bullets and positive shot placement, can be used for elk.




CoBrad, This has been my experience too.

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I watched a 14 year old shoot a broadside cow at 150 yards with a .243. The cow was hit hard right behind the shoulder and still standing. I told the boy to "shoot her again" and his dad said "naw, hit good". The cow proceeded to put itself together and take off with its calf. A few miles of deep snow and mountains later I got the kid another shot and he put one in the neck. While gutting her out I found one lung destroyed and no exit wound. Using a factory 100 grain load. With something that penetrates better it is likely both lungs would have been taken out. Premium bullet or bigger gun.
I grew up with a guy who only used a .243. Neck and head shots inside 100 yards and he never missed or needed another shot. Not what I would advise others to do either.
I do not think you need a massive magnum, just good shot placement with a good bullet. I know one hunter who has killed a dozen elk or more with a 25-06 - including a nice 8x7.

To get a youngster started, I like what a buddy did. He has two Rifles of the same make and model. One in .243 and one in .308 (has muzzlebrake). He let his kid practice at the range and in the prarie dog fields with the .243 using smaller bullet. When elk hunting time rolled around he put the .308 in his hands and said the brake made it shoot like a .243. When a shot was presented, the boy shot and the elk went down. Like any other first time hunter he never even noticed the recoil or the noise.

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