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I know you guys just showed me 7mm 120 bullets work well on deer, just wondering if any of you have had similar success with 30 Cal bullets in the 125 to 130gr range. This is my first couple handloading ventures into the realm of light bullets and reduced loads and I'm really enjoying it. I'm trying to make a soft shooting load for my nephew this time who is 12, he will most likely inherit his dad's Ruger M77 MKII chambered in 308 Winchester, but he's been practicing with Grandpa's 243 Winchester so I want to keep the recoil down as low as possible to keep shooting fun for him. I've already tried the Barnes 130gr TTSX and found an accurate powder but it still seems to kick too hard, that was with a mid-range load, I can go down two grains in powder and that will bring me down to minimum, I'll try it but I'm not sure that will bring down the recoil enough. I don't know if it's because of how long the bullet is or what but it still seems to kick like a 150gr bullet. If the TTSX don't work I'm gonna try 125gr Nosler Ballistic Tips, Sierra 125gr Pro Hunters, and Speer 130gr Hot-Cor FP. If you could please tell me about your experience with any of these bullets and show me some pictures that would be great. Thanks guys.
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Haven't used the 125 gr BT but I have killed around a dozen deer plus 4 antelope with the 150 gr BT. Certainly no problems with lack of expansion.
In a 308 with light loads I would think the 125 gr BT would be a much better choice than the TTSX to ensure adequate expansion at those moderate velocity levels.
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Haven't used the 125 gr BT but I have killed around a dozen deer plus 4 antelope with the 150 gr BT. Certainly no problems with lack of expansion.
In a 308 with light loads I would think the 125 gr BT would be a much better choice than the TTSX to ensure adequate expansion at those moderate velocity levels. Thank you, but I'm more concerned with adequate penetration than expansion with ballistic tips and the Sierra Pro-Hnter because expansion's not really an issue with these two bullets, I'm worried more about them having enough strucural integrity to expand and penetrate enough to make a clean kill.
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A fellow that I see at the range shoots the 125 Bal Tip from a 308 Encore with a 15" or 16" barrel. He's running full snort loads and he says it works great on deer.
My father used to smack deer quite nicely with a 30 Herrett out of a 14" Contender using the 120-130 grain single shot pistol spitzers Hornady and Sierra used to offer.
The bullets you mentioned should work fine in reduced 308 loads.
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If you're talking close range, here's what Hodgdon has for a 30-30 load on their "Youth Load" page: http://hodgdon.com/PDF/Youth%20Loads.pdf125 gr Sierra HP (30-30 bullet/not 308) moving at 2094 fps. You could also load a 150 grain 30-30 bullet down pretty slow. The standard 30-30/150 grain moves at 2365 fps. So, you could load that down to 2200-2300 and have a soft shooter with plenty of expansion and penetration.
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The best load i have used in the 308 with the lighter bullets was the Speer 130 gr with IMR 4064 . This load was used for varmint hunting and i never used it on Big Game.
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The best load i have used in the 308 with the lighter bullets was the Speer 130 gr with IMR 4064 . This load was used for varmint hunting and i never used it on Big Game. Was that the 130gr Hot-Cor Flat Point or something else?
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I loaded some fairly hot 125 grain Ballistic Tips for use in a .30-06. The guys I loaded them for felt it was too much expansion with muzzle velocities in the 3250 fps range. Only two kills, one an antelope doe around 250 yards, quartering towards, the guy just barely winged her a little high, resulting in an instant drop and this wound: The rumen wanted to come out of that wound. I'm of the belief that he was lucky to be shooting such an explosive bullet, or this could have been a long follow up. Ol deadeye was at it again (I've seen him shoot to 300 yards and he does fine at the range) with a doe deer around 100 yards if I remember correctly. Once again, a high gut shot, she ran maybe 40 yards, and this is the result: With entry wound here, no exit wound unless you count the gut blow out (he said it was a slight uphill shot): Once again, I think the bullet made up for his poor shooting. A tougher bullet might have made for a longer track job, but we'll never know. Personally, I'd still use them as an antelope and deer load, depending on the terrain, but he and the other guy those were loaded for have switched to 130 TTSXs but haven't killed with those. So in a sample of two, we have soft tissue only hits, no major bones, but really quick deaths with poor hits at high velocity. I'd like to think that a good shot through the lungs would do good work. I also believe you could bust through one shoulder, but you would not have an exit doing so. On the same train of thought, I have used 100 grain Ballistic Tips in the .264 and loaded 100 grain Hornady Spire Points in a .270 (not my gun, but was present for both antelope that load took), both at max velocity and had good results on light big game. The 100 grain .270 (at 3330) exited both antelope, the 100 grain .264 (at 3700) were both odd shots (neck and high shoulder), but certainly showed plenty of penetration, although that bullet has a slightly higher SD than a 125 .30 cal, it's closer to a 120 grain 7mm in Sectional Density. However, that 100 grain .270 has an almost identical SD to a 125 grain .30 cal and is probably a more direct comparison.
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I have killed one deer with the 125gr ballistic tip. 3000fps muzzel velocity out of a 300 savage. 100yds put a fist sized hole completely through the deer. The wound looked exactly like every other ballitic tip kill i have had. I do have some loaded for the 308 using Varget, But my 308 shoots 150's so well i'll probably just shoot targets with the 125's. One point i found is the 24" 300 savage shot the 125gr the same velocity as the 308 22"
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Have you considered the 130 gr Interlock SP at all? That'll hold together considerably better than the NBT or the Hot Cor.
I've got some test loads put together for one of my '06s with this bullet and RL-15. I have a feeling it'll be a screamer.
If you're dealing with a young shooter the other option you could consider is to go with the frangible NBT but load it way down using SR-4759. Remember that charge weight is part of the formula used to calculate actual recoil, so if you can decrease that along with projectile weight you're going to move even further into the right direction. You can construct a load that'll be low recoil and blast, put the kid golden out to 300, and not blow the living heck out of the meat using that bullet.
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Have you considered the 130 gr Interlock SP at all? I don't believe the 130 grain Hornady is an Interlock. Interestingly Hornady's website shows a 110 grain Interlock.
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Have you considered the 130 gr Interlock SP at all? I don't believe the 130 grain Hornady is an Interlock. Interestingly Hornady's website shows a 110 grain Interlock. You're right, the Hornady 130 gr SP is a varmint bullet, there is a 110gr Interlock, but I don't know if that's heavy enough for deer.
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Ok, just got off the phone with a tech from Hornady, he told me the 110gr Interlock is a misprint, the 130 gr SP is a varmint bullet and none of their 30 Cal. bullets under 150gr are recommended for deer. I spoke with one of Sierra's and one of Nosler's techs yesterday and they said the 125gr Ballistic Tip is tough enough for deer, the 125gr Pro-Hunter is as well if you limit your shots to lung and neck shots, I haven't heard back from Speer yet. But please, keep the pictures and results comin' fellas.
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Hodgdon's 4895 Youth Data is a start. I used it to turn my son's 30/06 into a 30-30, but recoil didn't drop much. A recent issue of Handloader (maybe this month's) had data for low-recoil rifle loads using Trail Boss. Velocities were around 2,000 fps for most loads. I may try it next.
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I killed my first deer with 125 BT's from my 30-06 and I will never use BT's for anything else but coyotes etc after that. It was horrible
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Were those full power loads, if so I wouldn't be surprised if they exploded and didn't hardly penetrate on contact if you were pushing them over their 3100 fps max. velocity threshold. If not, I'd like to hear more about it.
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I loaded some fairly hot 125 grain Ballistic Tips for use in a .30-06. The guys I loaded them for felt it was too much expansion with muzzle velocities in the 3250 fps range. Only two kills, one an antelope doe around 250 yards, quartering towards, the guy just barely winged her a little high, resulting in an instant drop and this wound: The rumen wanted to come out of that wound. I'm of the belief that he was lucky to be shooting such an explosive bullet, or this could have been a long follow up. Ol deadeye was at it again (I've seen him shoot to 300 yards and he does fine at the range) with a doe deer around 100 yards if I remember correctly. Once again, a high gut shot, she ran maybe 40 yards, and this is the result: With entry wound here, no exit wound unless you count the gut blow out (he said it was a slight uphill shot): Once again, I think the bullet made up for his poor shooting. A tougher bullet might have made for a longer track job, but we'll never know. Personally, I'd still use them as an antelope and deer load, depending on the terrain, but he and the other guy those were loaded for have switched to 130 TTSXs but haven't killed with those. So in a sample of two, we have soft tissue only hits, no major bones, but really quick deaths with poor hits at high velocity. I'd like to think that a good shot through the lungs would do good work. I also believe you could bust through one shoulder, but you would not have an exit doing so. On the same train of thought, I have used 100 grain Ballistic Tips in the .264 and loaded 100 grain Hornady Spire Points in a .270 (not my gun, but was present for both antelope that load took), both at max velocity and had good results on light big game. The 100 grain .270 (at 3330) exited both antelope, the 100 grain .264 (at 3700) were both odd shots (neck and high shoulder), but certainly showed plenty of penetration, although that bullet has a slightly higher SD than a 125 .30 cal, it's closer to a 120 grain 7mm in Sectional Density. However, that 100 grain .270 has an almost identical SD to a 125 grain .30 cal and is probably a more direct comparison. Yeah it says right on Nosler's website the maximum velocity you should push Ballistic Tips at is 3100 fps.
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I've loaded 125 gr .308 Ballistic Tips for a friend shooting a 14" TC Contender in 30-30. He's killed a number of deer with it, no problems on penetration including killing a couple of 100 # meat hogs with it.
I think you'd be pleasantly surprised with minimum loads & that bullet on deer. My experience FWIW
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The best load i have used in the 308 with the lighter bullets was the Speer 130 gr with IMR 4064 . This load was used for varmint hunting and i never used it on Big Game. Was that the 130gr Hot-Cor Flat Point or something else? the 130 gr HP
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