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Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? #4053187 05/03/10
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OP nyrifleman Campfire Outfitter N Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 8,088 Adirondack Mountains	I've wanted one of his rifles for a while, found this one. http://www.martiniandhagngunmakers.com/forsale.htm (Fourth from the top) Overpriced? In the ballpark? Anyone have an idea what Ottmar's rifles were selling for at Tulsa? Thanks all. “Factio democratica delenda est"

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Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? nyrifleman #4053375 05/03/10
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Savage_99 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 14,807	Is this the one? "Maurice Ottmar custom rifle . Makers name on barrel , .270 cal, Double square bridge custom action, Custom scope rings, bottom metal and trigger , Figured French walnut stock, trap checkered steel butt plate , Fleur de lis checkering wrap around pattern. Inletted pedestalled bases New Leupold 2x7 matte, Serial # 0029 Light handling marks on wood otherwise excellent overall. Hunted little. LOP 14.0 $6750.00 USD - NEW LOW PRICE $5950 USD" I would ask who made the action? All guns should be locked up when not in use!

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? nyrifleman #4053388 05/03/10
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butchlambert1 Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,344 Poetry, Texas	I believe that is an absolute steal! If I didn't have 3 rifles finishing up and 2 started I would jump on it. Butch

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? Savage_99 #4053390 05/03/10
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OP nyrifleman Campfire Outfitter N Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 8,088 Adirondack Mountains	Yup, thats the one. I did ask, awaiting a response. “Factio democratica delenda est"

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? butchlambert1 #4053399 05/03/10
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OP nyrifleman Campfire Outfitter N Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 8,088 Adirondack Mountains	Butch, thanks for that you enabler. Seriously, appreciate your opinion, having seen a few of your customs. “Factio democratica delenda est"

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Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? nyrifleman #4053564 05/03/10
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handwerk Campfire Tracker H Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 6,377 N.E. Mn./ Mt	Wow, beautiful rifle....and thanks for the link, a treat to look at all those fine guns.

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? handwerk #4053688 05/03/10
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Karnis Campfire Outfitter Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 11,654 TX & WV	I would snatch it if I could.

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? Savage_99 #4053727 05/03/10
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JRGunmaker Campfire Member Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 296 Western South Dakota	Originally Posted by Savage_99 I would ask who made the action? Looks like a Grisel gunmaker ------------------ Custom Metalsmith & Stockmaker

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? JRGunmaker #4053985 05/03/10
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jim62 Campfire Tracker J Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 5,978	Yep,It's a Grisel action. I blew up the left side pic and it does say "GRISEL" on it. It's pretty amazing that Ottmar rifle with a Leupold scope and mounts is only $500 more than the Cooper m52 Western Classic at th top of the page Especially since the Cooper has American Walnut on it and the Ottmar rifle looks like it has either Naw Zealand or Turkish on it. It would be hard to find a nicer Ottmar rifle. Last edited by jim62; 05/03/10. To all gunmaker critics- "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.."- Teddy Roosevelt

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? jim62 #4054017 05/03/10
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trouthunterdj Campfire Tracker T Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 5,087 Northwest Iowa	I would jump on that one fast. Its an absolute classic in every sense of the word!! Also, Butch likes it ddj Many men go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish they are after. - Henry David Thoreau The best part of hunting and fishing was the thinking about going and the talking about it after you got back. - Robert Ruark

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Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? trouthunterdj #4054339 05/04/10
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OP nyrifleman Campfire Outfitter N Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 8,088 Adirondack Mountains	Enlighten me fellas. What's a Grisel action? “Factio democratica delenda est"

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? nyrifleman #4055916 05/04/10
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OP nyrifleman Campfire Outfitter N Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 8,088 Adirondack Mountains	Heard back from Martini; The action is #29 by Pete Grisel, double square bridge. Rifle weighs in right at 7 lbs. “Factio democratica delenda est"

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? nyrifleman #4055926 05/04/10
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jim62 Campfire Tracker J Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 5,978	Doug, It's the small ring double square bridged Maausr action Pete Grisel design and built in very ,very small quanitites in the mid 1980s before he founded Dakoto Arms with Don Allen. Pete was the metalman/machinst in the partership. You'd better hurry up and buy that damn rifle. Give the fact it's a 7lb, Ottmar stocked ,Grisel actioned BEAUTY in .270, I am about to list a good portion of my gun collection for sale to buy it myself. I'm not kidding ,either.. To all gunmaker critics- "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.."- Teddy Roosevelt

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? jim62 #4055951 05/04/10
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OP nyrifleman Campfire Outfitter N Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 8,088 Adirondack Mountains	Jim, I've already made the arrangements. “Factio democratica delenda est"

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? nyrifleman #4055954 05/04/10
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jim62 Campfire Tracker J Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 5,978	Good for you! A finer bolt rifle you will most likely never own. To all gunmaker critics- "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.."- Teddy Roosevelt

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? jim62 #4055958 05/04/10
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OP nyrifleman Campfire Outfitter N Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 8,088 Adirondack Mountains	I'll be selling a few of mine....but I've been looking for a long time for an Ottmar in my LOP, in a caliber I like. Jackpot!! “Factio democratica delenda est"

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? nyrifleman #4055974 05/04/10
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jim62 Campfire Tracker J Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 5,978	Like I said, I am happy for your find.. I still think thnat out of all the rifles they have listed on that sight, that is one of the last ones I would have discounted like that. To all gunmaker critics- "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.."- Teddy Roosevelt

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? nyrifleman #4055987 05/04/10
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Savage_99 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 14,807	Here is another picture of your spectacular Ottmar. I was happy with some of the decent factory rifles and old 'customs' that I have. Then I came across a nicer one so I know how you feel now. Mine is no Ottmar but even then I hold it close. All guns should be locked up when not in use!

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? Savage_99 #4056005 05/04/10
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jim62 Campfire Tracker J Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 5,978	One thing is for sure.. That rifle would have put a big smile on Jack O'Connor's face . .. To all gunmaker critics- "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.."- Teddy Roosevelt

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? nyrifleman #4056030 05/04/10
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jpb Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 8,651 Sweden	Glad you closed the deal on this fine rifle... My willpower was weakening...! John

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? jpb #4057072 05/04/10
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butchlambert1 Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,344 Poetry, Texas	You lucky dog. I am very envious! Butch

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? butchlambert1 #4057092 05/04/10
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Savage_99 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 14,807	To all, What upscale scope would you suggest for such a rifle? The 2-7 Leu. is light and good looking however there may be better optics out there without it being too big. What do you say? All guns should be locked up when not in use!

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? Savage_99 #4057436 05/05/10
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OP nyrifleman Campfire Outfitter N Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 8,088 Adirondack Mountains	My Biesen wears a 3.5x10 Leupy, which replaced a 2.5x8 Leupy. Either of those would be hard to beat. 2.5x8 Conquest may be a winner as well. Although the 2x7 Leupy is no slouch 3x9 Leupold Compact? “Factio democratica delenda est"

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? nyrifleman #4057534 05/05/10
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Huntr Campfire Outfitter H Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 10,915 Lubbock, Texas	Wow, that is a beauty!

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? nyrifleman #4057568 05/05/10
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BobinNH Campfire 'Bwana B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 35,900	NY: Came to this late....my eye is pretty good as I guessed it a Grisel action,and as if you needed any encouragement (LOL!)the price is easily right. Glad you grabbed it. I had an Ottmar 300 Win Mag on a Burgess 1909 action that was one of the best customs I've owned.You made a great snag and I'm certain you will be happy with it. Ottmar built fabulous rifles. The 280 Remington is overbore. The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? BobinNH #4057764 05/05/10
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OP nyrifleman Campfire Outfitter N Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 8,088 Adirondack Mountains	Thanks fellas. I'm still hoping someone can educate me on the Grisel action. “Factio democratica delenda est"

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? nyrifleman #4058122 05/05/10
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BobinNH Campfire 'Bwana B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 35,900	DIBS! The 280 Remington is overbore. The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? jim62 #4059504 05/05/10
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Steve_NO Campfire 'Bwana Joined: May 2003 Posts: 48,411 New Orleans	man, that is beautiful. price seems like a bargain. Proudly representing oil companies, defense contractors, and firearms manufacturers since 1980. Because merchants of death need lawyers, too.

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? Steve_NO #4059676 05/05/10
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handwerk Campfire Tracker H Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 6,377 N.E. Mn./ Mt	Nice grab, sure to bring pleasure for years to come. A leupold 4x always looks good atop a classy rifle like that. I hope you enjoy some great days afield with it; I'll keep an eye out for your pictures.

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? nyrifleman #4077345 05/12/10
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Idared Campfire Tracker I Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 3,512 Idaho-Where life's worth livin...	Congratulations on owning a rifle by one of the finest craftsman who ever lived and who was a first class person to boot. He remains one of my all time favorite smiths because he could do so many styles so well. There is a great void in Central Washington since he passed away. Wonder how big the person was who this rifle was made for seeing it has a 14.0 inch length of pull? I'd probably leave that 2-7 on the rifle if it were mine. It's a nice scope in a small package. Larry *********** "Speed is fine but accuracy is final" - Bill Jordan "We do not exaggerate when we state positively that the remodelled Springfield is the best and most suitable "all 'round" rifle".......Seymour Griffin, GRIFFIN & HOWE, Inc.

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? Idared #4077723 05/12/10
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OP nyrifleman Campfire Outfitter N Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 8,088 Adirondack Mountains	Thanks Larry. I'm 6ft 1", 14" LOP fits about perfectly. Matter of fact, Bob and I were discussing glass yesterday. I was leaning toward a Z3 in 3-9 or 3-10, however the eye relief is a mere 3.54" (Which is constant over the entire range of magnification according to Swarovski). I'm now leaning toward a Leupy in 2.5x8 or 3.5x10, but I'll wait until the rifle is in my hands and I'll probably give that 2-7 a chance to prove itself. Last edited by nyrifleman; 05/12/10. “Factio democratica delenda est"

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? nyrifleman #4078788 05/12/10
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Karnis Campfire Outfitter Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 11,654 TX & WV	I've lusted for an Ottmar rifle for years. Never will have one unless I can figure out how to win the lotto. Absolutely beautifully smithed. It is amazing what can be done with steel and wood. More pics are mandatory .

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? nyrifleman #4078836 05/12/10
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jim62 Campfire Tracker J Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 5,978	NY, One aspect of that whole Ottmar/Grisel ensemble is the fact that it really is a "time machine". While is is not 60 year old antigue like a pre war m70 etc, it is now a gun of a certain time period which can never be replicated again. Maurice Ottmar has now gone to that "Big Gun Guild show in the Sky", and Pete Grisel is no longer making those smll ring Mauser actions. Based on the action and the stock styling, I would put that rifle in the late 1980s/early 1990s era, making it about 20 years old. I bet that 2-7 Leupold is of that same era, probably mounted new when the gun was completed. It is most likley the scope the client picked to mount on that gun. If it even comes CLOSE to doing what you need for that rifle optically, I think it would be a shame to change it. Last edited by jim62; 05/12/10. To all gunmaker critics- "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.."- Teddy Roosevelt

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? jim62 #4079451 05/12/10
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GF1 Campfire Tracker G Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,943	The late Maurice Ottmar was indeed a top drawer stocker and 'smith; you did well on that rifle. When Champlin Arms turned out its own actions and rifles, Ottmar did most of the stocks. You will also find that the closer you look at his workmanship, the better it will look. The Biesens' rifles are that way too...

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? GF1 #4079622 05/12/10
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OP nyrifleman Campfire Outfitter N Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 8,088 Adirondack Mountains	The first Ottmar I saw was at Hallowell's when he was in Greenwich, CT. The rifle was in .30-06, and priced at 3,500 IIRC. I was in college at the time, it might as well have been 10K. I've been looking for one in my LOP ever since, this one was more appealing when I learned a bit about the Grisel action. (Jim: you are quite right about the rifle being a "time machine"!!) GF, I have a Biesen in .270 (pre-64 natch) so I may have the .270 covered. Unless anyone has a Bolliger or Miller decently priced? Last edited by nyrifleman; 05/12/10. “Factio democratica delenda est"

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? jim62 #4080543 05/13/10
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mathman Campfire 'Bwana M Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,824	Quote I bet that 2-7 Leupold is of that same era Probably not. Based on the style of the lettering on the side of the adjustment housing, the +/- diopter markings on the ocular assembly and the protruding bump on the power change ring I believe that's a recent vintage VX-II.

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? mathman #4083325 05/14/10
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Ezra4570 Campfire Member E Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 178	I added that scope last year. It was my rifle which I traded to the owner of Luxus Walnut for a Mark Moon custom in 375 H&H which you can see pictures of on LUXUS Gallary page. When I got the rifle it had an older Redfield scope on it that I changed to the Leupold, which is IIRC about two years old.

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? Ezra4570 #4083360 05/14/10
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mathman Campfire 'Bwana M Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,824	It looks good on there, doesn't clutter up the rifle.

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? nyrifleman #4180559 06/19/10
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jeffcycle New Member J Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 9	Hi everyone, my name is Jeff and I am very new to this forum. I recently acquired a very, very nice Model 70 winchester chambered in 220 Swift that has the inscription "M. Ottmar - Gunmaker" written on the barrel. I am trying to research the gun and the maker. I live in Southeastern Washington State and it seems that Maurice Ottmar lived just Noth of me in Coulee City. any help that anyone could give me on my new rifle would be greatly appreciated. This is not your average run of the mill custom. This rifle is Very Nice. If I knew how to post some pictures here I would. thanks, Jeff

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? jeffcycle #4181330 06/20/10
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butchlambert1 Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,344 Poetry, Texas	Maurice only did top of the line work. We need photos. Butch

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? nyrifleman #4181550 06/20/10
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Wildcatter264 Campfire Tracker W Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,851 Back home in Dixie	Is it difficult to import a rifle bought from them into the US? Does Martini & Hagn manage the importation on a US sale? Thanks Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty of give me death! P. Henry Deus vult! Rhodesians all now

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? butchlambert1 #4181687 06/20/10
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jeffcycle New Member J Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 9	Thanks Butch, I have some photos I just took and but am not able as of yet to figure out how to post them here. Do you know how I do this? thanks, Jeff

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? jeffcycle #4181751 06/20/10
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Karnis Campfire Outfitter Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 11,654 TX & WV	Can you E-mail them?

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? Karnis #4181962 06/20/10
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jeffcycle New Member J Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 9	Sure, I can email them. My sister took a bunch of pictures and sent them to my computer so attaching them to an email is no problem. Let me know where to send them. Thanks, Jeff.

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? jeffcycle #4182042 06/20/10
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OP nyrifleman Campfire Outfitter N Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 8,088 Adirondack Mountains	Wildcatter, Martini can arrange for import into the US. In my case however, it was unnecessary, as the rifle resides in Oregon. Last edited by nyrifleman; 06/20/10. “Factio democratica delenda est"

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? jeffcycle #4182440 06/20/10
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Karnis Campfire Outfitter Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 11,654 TX & WV	Here are the pics:

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? Karnis #4182542 06/20/10
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jeffcycle New Member J Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 9	Thanks for posting my pictures for me.... If anyone can give me any information on the above rifle and perhaps a value, I would very much appreciate it. Here is what I know. It is a Model 70 Winchester, circa 1957, custom built by Maurice Ottmar. The Gun is a beautiful piece of craftsmanship and has "M. Ottmar -Gunmaker" inscribed on the barrel. There appears to be either an insert or sleeve in the barrel or perhaps that is just the way it was crowned. The bore is very shiny and nice. I have more photos if anyone would like more detail or info. The gun is from an Estate sale, recently purchased here is South Eastern Washington state. Thanks, Jeff

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? jeffcycle #4182928 06/21/10
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BobinNH Campfire 'Bwana B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 35,900	jeff: That Swift of yours is a beauty......! The 280 Remington is overbore. The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? BobinNH #4183118 06/21/10
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jeffcycle New Member J Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 9	Thanks, Do you know anything about the builder or Value? Jeff

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? jeffcycle #4183703 06/21/10
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RickF Campfire Tracker Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 4,584 East Kootenays, BC	Jeff, that is a beautiful rifle! Thanks for sharing the pics. Anybody who seriously concerns themselves with the adequacy of a Big 7mm for anything we hunt here short of brown bear, is a dufus. They are mostly making shidt up. Crunch! Nite-nite! Stolen from an erudite CF member.

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? jeffcycle #4184614 06/21/10
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BobinNH Campfire 'Bwana B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 35,900	jeff,I'm afraid I don't except in general terms. I had an Ottmar 300 Win Mag with all metal by Tom Burgess on a 1909 Argentine mauser for awhile.....so,I have a general idea, but that is it...You should have it professionally appraised for the best answer, I think. The 280 Remington is overbore. The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? BobinNH #4184902 06/21/10
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jeffcycle New Member J Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 9	I see, I was just hoping that someone here on the site might know. I am looking to sell the rifle also. Thanks.

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? jeffcycle #4185336 06/22/10
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rifle Campfire Tracker Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,720 now in SC	I've seen four or five in the last three years for sale. A .404 that went for about 8K,couple of .30-06 in the $4000 range,the others I don't remenber?? There is a .358 Norma mag at Cabelas.. Here's a link...maybe this will help. http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/c...inm70ottmar_whe.jsp?categoryId=SEARCH_gl Come on America, Athletes and actors are not heroes, only soldiers, airmen,marines and sailors get that respect�and let's add firemen and LEO's

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? rifle #4185552 06/22/10
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jeffcycle New Member J Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 9	Thanks, That is interesting. What research I have done and the info I have found indicates that most of Ottmars work was limited to stocking. Does that sound right? But on this gun he is the Gunmaker and it is stated as such on the barrel. This is the first rifle I have seen that bears his name on the barrel as the Gunmaker. Comments?

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? jeffcycle #4185620 06/22/10
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jimmyd223 Campfire Regular Joined: Apr 2001 Posts: 2,800 Wa. State	Jeff, go over to AccurateReloading and go to the gunsmithing forum and contact Customstox, he was a very close friend of Ottmat and should be able to give you a very good idea of value. "Until one has loved an animal, part of their soul remains unawakened."

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? jimmyd223 #4185692 06/22/10
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jeffcycle New Member J Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 9	Thanks I will. Is Customsox loacted in Washington state ?

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? jeffcycle #4185700 06/22/10
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jimmyd223 Campfire Regular Joined: Apr 2001 Posts: 2,800 Wa. State	Yes he is over on the dry side, just can't remember the town.Send me a PM and I will try to get you contact info. Sent a PM with all the contact info. Last edited by jimmyd223; 06/22/10. "Until one has loved an animal, part of their soul remains unawakened."

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? jeffcycle #4185773 06/22/10
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JRGunmaker Campfire Member Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 296 Western South Dakota	Originally Posted by jeffcycle What research I have done and the info I have found indicates that most of Ottmars work was limited to stocking. Does that sound right? Ottmar was a talented metalsmith as well as stockmaker. He used a lot of Half Moon hand lapped cut rifled barrels on the projects he metalsmithed. He went through the Gunsmithing program in Trinidad during the same time that Pete Grisel, "Boots" Obermeyer, and Ed Shulin did. gunmaker ------------------ Custom Metalsmith & Stockmaker

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? JRGunmaker #4185880 06/22/10
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jeffcycle New Member J Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 9	That is interesting because the barrel appears to have some sort of insert or sleeve. Is this possible ?

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? jeffcycle #4186062 06/22/10
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JRGunmaker Campfire Member Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 296 Western South Dakota	not likely. gunmaker ------------------ Custom Metalsmith & Stockmaker

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? JRGunmaker #4505387 10/15/10
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Brandimaes New Member B Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 1 Coulee City, WA	Hello all, I am the granddaughter of the late and great Maurice Ottmar. Reading all your wonderful comments about Grandpa has brought me to tears and am I so so proud to be called his granddaughter. I would love to talk with any of you who have stories about him, pictures of him. My family own a few guns Grandpa made for each of us along with my hunting knife he made for me on my first hunt back in 1990. I know all of us would love to talk with you about him, his work, his great adventures. I look forward to hearing more! Brandi Ottmar Maes He made a few guns.

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? Brandimaes #4505649 10/15/10
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Karnis Campfire Outfitter Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 11,654 TX & WV	He was a genius with walnut and steel.

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? Karnis #4506629 10/16/10
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butchlambert1 Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,344 Poetry, Texas	Brandi, David Christman in Louisana gives all the credit for his stockmaking ability to Maurice. David is one of the most talented American Custom Gunmakers Guild stockmakers. He said Maurice was so patient with him and was always a very kind and considerate gentleman. You are very lucky to have such a fine Grandpa. Butch

Re: Whats an Ottmar rifle worth these days? nyrifleman #11373203 08/14/16
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vixen Campfire Regular V Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 985	How can you identify his rifles? I have a Pre-64 Model 70 375 H&H with all the bells and whistles I have been told is by his making. Thanks. Last edited by vixen; 08/14/16.

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