Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Ask The Gunwriters JB I Just Read your article about 33s and 35s in Handloader

OK, in the Swift reloadig manual it has the 280 A-Frame at 1.345",so I guess I will try some in my 358 Norma then.

As John said: the 300 Barnes Original will stabilize in a 1 in 16" twist. I've used them in two Remingtons in .35 caliber: a .350RM and a .35 Whelen. Their length is 1.353".

As a matter of fact, I still have nearly a full box and will give them a try in my new Handi-Rifle in .35 Whelen. I don't know it's twist-rate yet, but it's probably 1 in 16. I'll find that out shortly.

Bob

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Just FYI: Woodleigh has a new .358 caliber 275 gr Protected Point that is 1.312" in length. I haven't tried them yet, though, in my Ruger M77 Hawkeye in .35 Whelen (which has a 1-16" twist).

http://www.woodleighbullets.com.au/

BTW: Woodleigh's web site has been totally redesigned and it's very nicely done.

Cheers!
-Bob F.

Thanks for the tip! I will take a look at that.

JV

Man, I gotta wake the mail carrier up. One week later and I still haven't received my issue of Handloader. What gives, does Wolfe mail out publications over the course of a week or two?

JB,

I have HL in front of me right now and am reading up. Love it. Got it w/ the white page over the cover "warning" me that it was my last issue. I rolled my eyes and threw it away... until I saw that you were featured in it!

Of course I got that right after my latest SA in which you list the "top 10". Love that publication even more than ever since you started contributing.

Fantastic. I'll be calling Wolfe and renewing all three and letting 'em know why.

Always satisfying to get the nod like this; even more so when a little crow is eaten by those who have 'dissed' in the past.

Well deserved.

It's curious: Remington's .35 cartridges have been introduced with 16" twists: 35 Rem, .35 Whelen, .350 Rem Mag. Winchester .35 cartridges have been in 12" twist barrels: .35 Win, .358 Win, .356 Win.

--Bob

Kimber7man I live in Missouri and get my issue 10 t 14 days after everyone on the internet starts talking about it. I called wolfe before and they said they did not know what the problem was because at the time they were being mailed from Michigan.

I have not got my issue yet either.

Dink

I think I will renew my subscription to HL/Rifle. I let it go for some reason that now escapes me a couple of years ago...

I'm in Maryland, and have not gotten mine yet either. I usually get it about the same time an article is mentioned on the Fire.

Will call Wolfe on Monday. Sure would like to read John's article.

Steve

Just a thought: I believe the electronic versions of the Wolfe magazines (downloadable pdf file) are released before the printed versions are mailed. I subscribe to the electronic versions of the magazines. That may be how most of the folks on here, that are posting about the 33/35 article, have read the current issue already.

-Bob F.

Bob,

Thanks for the info. I'm stuck in the past, and get the printed version. It did not occur to me that the electronic version was the first to get sent.

Best,

Steve

Bullshooter,

Even curiousier is the fact that none of the Winchester .35's needed a 1-12 twist. All could have gotten by quite well with a 1-16!

Marty, the obvious answer is that your mail carrier isn't finished reading it yet...

Edw

Would that we all could be so lucky as to have to "share" our shooting mail with our mail handlers.

Sure. So the question is whether the selection of a 1-12" twist was a rational decision, or if the guy running the Greenhill formula through Winchester's steam-powered computer back in 1903 happened to enter an incorrect number.

The 35 Win cartridge was maybe the first American 35. According to an old article (by Nonte?) in an early Rifle or Handloader, it was designed for the M1895. Because that rifle's action was built around the 30-40 Krag, the designers of the 35 Win necked up the 30-40 to 35 and stretched the case to be as long as possible and still work through the action. (The 405 Win was apparently designed the same way.) It doesn't seem likely that they were planning on a bullet of 300 or more grains.

--Bob

It was (in my opinion) given that the original intention of the 35Whelen was to have a domestic 375H&H equivalent, prior to the 375H&H being available in the United States. Cheaper to build too! As such it needed the potential to shoot a 300gr projectile to whatever distance the operator wanted.

Finn Aagaard in his article on the 35Whelen (1988) goes into the reasons why he selected a 1:12" for his personal 35Whelen ... when he tested the 300gr Barnes in a 350RemMag (1:16") they failed to stabilize. In a Rem700 35Whelen (1:16") they were accurate at 100 yards but there was evidence of tipping at 200yards.

I've also tested a Rem700 in 35Whelen (1:16") and sure enough, at 200 yards the 310gr Woodleigh soft is tipping ... the even longer 310gr FMJ wouldn't help the situation out any I'm sure. My Ruger 350RemMag (1:12") is happy at all distances with Woodleigh 310gr. The 1:16" ( a rebored M17 barrel) seems to have no issues with 275gr projectiles (or drawn down 286gr 9.3mm pills ) but its suitability with a 310gr FMJ is questionable ... and its original intention was to be a rifle capable of taking all big game including dangerous.

Interestingly ... from a 358Win ... 1:12" will stabilise the Woodleigh 310gr soft (just over 2000fps) ... but 1:14" definitely wont.
Cheers...
Con
PS: The 375H&Hs twist rate of 1:10" or 1:12" will stabilise a 300gr and 350gr projectile more than adequately. In the case of the 300gr projectile ... it will continue to stabilise it even when the barrel is rechambered to a 375/08.

Mean while my old "slightly tweaked" factory tang Ruger M77 RS 35 Whelen throws 225 gr TSX's very safely at 2700 fps and has killed moose, elk and black bear to date quite readily. Next year it will chase BC grizzly. RL-15 is really all that is needed gents.

I have a .358 Win, .350 Rem. mag., Whelen and Norma and have run 1 in 16, 14 and 12 barrels over the years in 35s. I certainly would not question your arithmetic and experience in this regard, but 1 in 12 barrels have always given me the most consistent results in 35s with 200-250 gr. bullets. Perhaps it is just coincidental or pure ass luck, but 1 in 12s in 35s work best for me. CP.

Chris, I remember Finn Aagaard opining the 1-14" was likely the "best" twist for the 35 Whelen. How does yours do?