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Looking for help with some smokeless loads. I tried 25gr IMR 4198 out of the old Cartridges of The World book, but it was SLOW, around 1200. Factory loaded ammo from 10X and a 305gr lead pill yields 1450. Thanks in advance! jorge
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Jorge, I have 68 loads for the 45-60 if you're interested. I could post them here or if you prefer could PM them to you.
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My loads are from Loaddata and are for both cast and jacketed bullets and both smokeless and black powder.
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I'm shooting lead bullets. 305gr hardcast. Posting here would be fine. Appreciate the help. jorge
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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This is some data from Mike Venturino.
.45-60 WCF / .45-60 Winchester (Venturino Lever Gun Data) Warning! Notes: test gun: Winchester Model 1876 28"; Federal Brass shortened to 1.89 inches; Federal 215 Magnum Large Rifle Primers; group - two 5 shot groups @ 100 yds. ("Shooting Lever Guns of the Old West") Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data. Wt. Bullet Powder Manufacturer Powder Charge Velocity (FPS) 324 RCBS #45-300FN Goex FFg 60.0 1,310 Remarks: groups: 3.38 & 5.25 324 RCBS #45-300FN Goex Cartridge 62.0 1,328 Remarks: groups: 2.75 & 3.63 324 RCBS #45-300FN Hodgdon Pyrodex Select 42.0 1,351 Remarks: groups: 4.75 & 4.50
From Handloader #44.
.45-60 WCF / .45-60 Winchester Warning! Notes: Velocities instrumental at 7.5 ft. Rifle: Winchester Model 1876 with 28-inch barrel. Cases: Winchester .45-70 brass trimmed to length, neck sized only. Primers: Remington 9 1/2. Over-powder Wad: 2" square of single ply toilet paper over all charges. (Handloader Issue #44) Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data. Wt. Bullet Powder Manufacturer Powder Charge Velocity (FPS) 300 JHP Hornady IMR IMR-4198 28.0 1,295 Remarks: T.P. wad; energy: 1,116 fp; MAX in M-76, duplicates original; accuracy fair 300 JHP Hornady IMR IMR-4198 27.0 1,246 Remarks: T.P. wad; energy: 1,033 fp; mild 300 JHP Hornady IMR IMR-4198 25.5 1,171 Remarks: T.P. wad; energy: 912; very mild 298 No. 457191 hard .457" dia. IMR IMR-4198 26.0 1,290 Remarks: T.P. wad; factory dupl.; MAX. in M-76, Whitney, Colt's rifles 300 JHP Alliant 2400 21.0 1,300 Remarks: T.P. wad; MAX. in M-76, Whitney, Colt's rifles 300 JHP Alliant 2400 20.5 1,273 Remarks: T.P. wad; energy: 1,075 fp; good accuracy 300 JHP Alliant 2400 18.0 1,089 Remarks: T.P. wad; energy: 789 fp; very mild; good accuracy
Finally, 58 loads using a variety of powders and bullets. (no 305gr though)
.45-60 WCF / .45-60 Winchester Handloads Warning! Notes: For use in Modern 1876 Reproductions ONLY. DO NOT USE IN ORIGINAL WINCHESTER MODEL 1876 RIFLES. A Chaparral Repeating Arms Model 1876 with a 22-inch barrel was used to fire all loads. Cases were Starline .45-70 trimmed down. Maximum case length: 1.89 inches; trim-to length: 1.88 inches. Overall cartridge length: factory loads, 2.17 inches; handloads, 2.250 inches. Bullet diameter: cast bullets sized to .458 inch. CCI BR-2 Large Rifle primers used throughout. Temperature during testing was 18 degrees Fahrenheit. Read entire article at loaddata.com under Load Development. Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data. Wt. Bullet Powder Manufacturer Powder Charge Velocity (FPS) 292 cast Lyman 457191 IMR IMR-4198 23.0 1042 292 cast Lyman 457191 IMR IMR-4198 26.0 1199 292 cast Lyman 457191 IMR IMR-4198 29.0 1366 292 cast Lyman 457191 Accurate AAC-5744 21.0 1085 292 cast Lyman 457191 Accurate AAC-5744 23.0 1181 292 cast Lyman 457191 Accurate AAC-5744 25.0 1280 292 cast Lyman 457191 Accurate AAC-5744 27.0 1387 292 cast Lyman 457191 Accurate AAC-2015 32.0 875 292 cast Lyman 457191 Accurate AAC-2015 34.0 1005 292 cast Lyman 457191 Accurate AAC-2015 36.0 1151 292 cast Lyman 457191 Accurate AAC-2015 37.5 1248 292 cast Lyman 457191 Accurate AAC-2015 39.0 1359 292 cast Lyman 457191 Hodgdon Pyrodex Pistol Pellets 60.0 1553 Remarks: two Pyrodex 30-grain Pistol pellets 292 cast Lyman 457191 IMR Trail Boss 10.5 1069 292 cast Lyman 457191 IMR Trail Boss 14.8 1256 292 cast Lyman 457191 Hodgdon Varget 31.0 883 Remarks: do not reduce 292 cast Lyman 457191 Hodgdon Varget 33.0 961 292 cast Lyman 457191 Hodgdon Varget 35.0 1043 292 cast Lyman 457191 Hodgdon Varget 36.5 1089 292 cast Lyman 457191 Hodgdon Varget 38.0 1154 292 cast Lyman 457191 Hodgdon H-4895 30.0 848 Remarks: do not reduce 292 cast Lyman 457191 Hodgdon H-4895 32.0 931 292 cast Lyman 457191 Hodgdon H-4895 34.0 1044 292 cast Lyman 457191 Hodgdon H-4895 36.0 1160 292 cast Lyman 457191 Hodgdon H-4895 38.0 1272 292 cast Lyman 457191 Hodgdon Triple Seven FFg 32.0 1164 Remarks: charge by weight 330 cast HP Lyman 457122 Accurate AAC-5744 20.0 1044 330 cast HP Lyman 457122 Accurate AAC-5744 22.0 1119 330 cast HP Lyman 457122 Accurate AAC-5744 24.0 1205 330 cast HP Lyman 457122 Accurate AAC-5744 26.0 1284 330 cast HP Lyman 457122 Accurate AAC-2015 32.0 1074 330 cast HP Lyman 457122 Accurate AAC-2015 34.0 1141 330 cast HP Lyman 457122 Accurate AAC-2015 35.5 1192 330 cast HP Lyman 457122 Accurate AAC-2015 37.0 1252 330 cast HP Lyman 457122 Hodgdon Varget 28.0 819 330 cast HP Lyman 457122 Hodgdon Varget 30.0 924 330 cast HP Lyman 457122 Hodgdon Varget 32.0 1031 330 cast HP Lyman 457122 Hodgdon Varget 34.0 1144 330 cast HP Lyman 457122 Hodgdon Varget 36.0 1248 330 cast HP Lyman 457122 IMR Trail Boss 10.0 992 330 cast HP Lyman 457122 IMR Trail Boss 12.0 1065 330 cast HP Lyman 457122 IMR Trail Boss 13.0 1098 330 cast HP Lyman 457122 IMR Trail Boss 14.0 1143 330 cast HP Lyman 457122 Hodgdon H-4895 27.0 881 Remarks: do not reduce 330 cast HP Lyman 457122 Hodgdon H-4895 29.0 985 330 cast HP Lyman 457122 Hodgdon H-4895 31.0 1086 330 cast HP Lyman 457122 Hodgdon H-4895 33.0 1177 330 cast HP Lyman 457122 Hodgdon H-4895 35.0 1267 330 cast HP Lyman 457122 Hodgdon Triple Seven FFg 32.0 1167 Remarks: powder by weight 300 Sierra JHP Accurate AAC-5744 24.0 1206 300 Sierra JHP Accurate AAC-5744 25.0 1236 300 Sierra JHP Accurate AAC-5744 26.0 1278 300 Sierra JHP Accurate AAC-5744 27.0 1310 300 Sierra JHP IMR IMR-4198 25.0 1075 300 Sierra JHP IMR IMR-4198 26.0 1124 300 Sierra JHP IMR IMR-4198 27.0 1175 300 Sierra JHP IMR IMR-4198 28.0 1219 300 Sierra JHP IMR IMR-4198 29.0 1276 Hope you can use at least some of this.
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Looks like this one: 292 cast Lyman 457191 IMR IMR-4198 29.0 1366, is about as close to the Tex-X factory I can get and it doesn't look like he has to use TP for wading. The 10X rounds don't have any in them either as you can hear the powder when one shakes the brass. My rifle is a Uberti which is identical to the Cimarron and when I bought it, the manufaturer recommends the 10X loads which are of course a lot hotter than the original loadings. Of interes, Buffalo Arms loads closer to original specs with trimmed 45/70 brass right at 1280 fps. Thank you very much for the info. jorge
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