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Good pics and thanks for sharing.


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very cool.....hoping i can go in 2013, plan is to take my oldest girl there hunting for a high school graduation present.....


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Very cool!! Congrats!! Great quality pics! What did you shoot (gun , caliber, bullet, etc) and how many did you take? Looks like at least two different guns and two bulls!



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Are those buff the same species as the domestic ones we see plowing in SE Asia rice paddies? I understand those free range ones can be a bit "sporty" smile

Great pics - looks like a super hunt to do.


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same species but dont remember if water buffs are split into different subspecies as there is a difference in horn shape depending on where in Asia you are....IIRC the water buffs in Oz originated from Indonesia, wanna say the island of Java but im not 100% sure on my memory......


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nope not Java, from Timor, my memory was off several hundred miles grin ......brought as a beast of burden and for meat but the ppl that settled that part of Australia gave up and just turned the buffs loose when they left early in the 19th century and established the feral population......

BTW if your interested in buffalo or the top end of Australia in general Tom Cole's autobiography Hell West and Crooked is a good read, he was basically a cowboy and a buffalo and croc hide hunter in that part of Australia before and around WWII.....really good read, just finished it a week ago....

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I borrowed Paul's 375H&H Remington to shoot both (only travelled with a 15# carry-on from US). Although we got close to lots of buffalo, the two I shot were at the back of herds/batchelor-groups, and were at 200 and 175 yds, because there were buffalo between us, and they had us spotted.


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Originally Posted by las
Are those buff the same species as the domestic ones we see plowing in SE Asia rice paddies? I understand those free range ones can be a bit "sporty" smile

Great pics - looks like a super hunt to do.


The British imported the buffalo to a place called Fort Essendon (sp) in the late 1700's/early 1800's located in the Northern Territory. By about 1813 the British abandoned the fort as the "most indsufferably hot place on earth". All the animals were turned loose.

The the 1980's the Hawke government (socialist anti gun of course) organized a government funded helicopter cull and decimated large herds on the claim that they held brucelosis and would hurt potential beef exports. They are starting to come back in numbers.

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According to MAMMALS OF AUTSTRALIA (1995, edited by Ronald Strahan and published in America by the Smithsonian Institution Press) there are two major subspecies of Asian buffalo, one with curl-tipped horns native to western Asia, and one with straighter horns native to eastern Asia. The subspecies introduced to Australia is Bubalus bubalus kerabau, the eastern subspecies, which makes sense, as that part of Asia is closer to Australia.

Would love to hunt them in northern Australia, mostly because I have never been there, and it sounds like the part of "Oz" I'd like the most!


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Usually, water buffalo are divided into Swamp and River types. They have different numbers of chromosomes and do not easily interbreed. The buffalo in Australia are of the Swamp type. Where they are domesticated, they are used for beasts of burden, meat, and milk. The River-type is from the western part of Asia, and is the type hunted (when feral)in Argentina and other places in south America. It is also called "milch" buffalo and the milk is used to make certain cheeses. There are numerous types of "milch" buffalo, and they can interbreed.

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I have hunted the river buffalo (Bubalis bubalis bubalis) but not the swamp buffalo, which is why I want to head to Oz!


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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
According to MAMMALS OF AUTSTRALIA (1995, edited by Ronald Strahan and published in America by the Smithsonian Institution Press) there are two major subspecies of Asian buffalo, one with curl-tipped horns native to western Asia, and one with straighter horns native to eastern Asia. The subspecies introduced to Australia is Bubalus bubalus kerabau, the eastern subspecies, which makes sense, as that part of Asia is closer to Australia.

Would love to hunt them in northern Australia, mostly because I have never been there, and it sounds like the part of "Oz" I'd like the most!


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We do not have the curled type as compared to the buff found in Sth America but there is a style of horn growth that is quite bowed and the more common as noted in the herd photo's. The straighter version is very desireable and locally called the "Sweeper". The 2 buff taken in the pic's above are sweepers. It is harder to judge the horn length with the curled horns when they look down their noses as the width is less with the horns growing more rearwards than outwardly as in hte sweepers.


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JB, given i have always been into scaly critters, have kept a number of Aussie pythons and lizards over the years, going to Australia has been a dream since i was a lil kid...... which is why im saving up to go in '13.....my daughter just wants to go overseas hunting something big and she was all for water buff in Oz so we are planning to go.......


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I appreciate the pictures you have been sharing but I can't help but visualize a certain resemblance to the Dos Equis spokesman...The Most Interesting Man in the World laugh

Everytime I see one of your threads, I think of "The Most Interesting Man in the World on Safari"..."Stay thirsty my friends." grin

Great pictures by the way. Very jealous of your travels.

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War Eagle,

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That Dos Equis guy always has a bevy of chicks at the end. I seem to be missing that part.


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Steve, beautiful pics! Would love to go to Oz someday and hunt buff, Argentina, too. Keep up the good work with pics/posts.grin


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Originally Posted by SteveG
That Dos Equis guy always has a bevy of chicks at the end. I seem to be missing that part.


I think a lot of us are missing that part!

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Very cool pics, Steve. You've had some amazing travels!

Thanks for sharing!!

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