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The Blaser is an aquired taste. Most guys that understand the concept, really like them. Sure they cost 3500.00, but they are one of the best 3500.00 rifles you could buy. Some are not willing to spend that much, and there is nothing wrong with that. I still shoot my Marlin lever actions fairly regular. But most of my hunting I prefer the Blaser.


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The SR21 is a nice normal looking rifle...well, the cutouts on the side for grasping the detachable mag are a little jarring on a rifle that is otherwise classic looking.


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Originally Posted by RIO7
as someone above mentioned,the saftey/decocker,really turned me off on the 2 rifles i shot, they shoot real well but i hated the saftey,so i passed on 2 guuns that were used but pretty cheap.rio7



Thats the beauty of the Blaser system. You can carry a fully loaded rifle that is uncocked and has no way of discharging. What's so hard about pushing a button to cock?

And as far as cost. I bought most of mine used for an average of around $1500 each.

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at $1500 I would try one, $3500 value I do not see.


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Don't know much about their rifles but they make some fine shotguns.

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Perhaps my memory is not what it once was but I seem to recall that some European nations allow only a small number of firearms to be owned by their citizens. Having one rifle on which you can fit many different barrels allows citizens of those countries to have multiple chamberings they could not own with fixed barrel rifles. I think there are some other European brands that have the capacity to swap barrels. We do not need that capacity here in the USA so far. I hope we never do.

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I've owned a Blaser 93 with 30-06 and 6.55 barrels and a K95 243 Win. Both rifles were well made and accurate with very good triggers. The scope mounting system was great, but expensive at something like $250 a set. The thumb-cocking system required what, to me, seemed a lot of pressure. Enough pressure that, as I practiced taking it on and off to familiarize myself my thumb began to hurt! Certainly not as easy as pushing off a standard model 700 safety or something. The K95 didn't have an ejector which bothered me for hunting applications.

I didn't warm to either of them and, as a churner, they ended up being traded.

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Originally Posted by Steve_NO
I would venture to guess that Americans annually purchase more rifles costing three grand and up than the rest of the world combined. While the price tag obviously eliminates some people from the prospective market, it is the fact that they are just plain weird looking to most shooters that has limited their sales in this country. That plus most people don't find much utility in all this modular parts stuff....

I've got more than a few firearms that cost more than a Blazer....but never had the slightest interest in owning one.


Spot on as usual. The rest of the world isn't even close to what we spend. Notropis mentioned the factual reason for the Blaser's success in Europe: Restrictive gun laws. With a Blaser, you can buy one gun yet own many barrels without having to get permits, licenses, etc. You know like the democraps want us to be like. Also it's an "un-natural act" to work that bolt. Laslty, it's hideous!


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For that kind of money you can get a really nice rifle.


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Also it's an "un-natural act" to work that bolt. Laslty, it's hideous!


It's very easy to learn the push pull bolt. Even a caveman could do it. I'll have to agree on the hideous part but like some women. Nothing a paper bag wouldn't take care of.

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Also it's an "un-natural act" to work that bolt. Laslty, it's hideous!


It's very easy to learn the push pull bolt. Even a caveman could do it. I'll have to agree on the hideous part but like some women. Nothing a paper bag wouldn't take care of.


Well some cavemen obviously can't figure out the 'in and out' system. Wonder what their sex life must be like? grin Getting back to the Blaser, etc., I bought my first Sauer in 1974. It was a Colt Sauer. Later I bought several Sauer 202s. Had 7 at one time. They all shot very well and are lightweight with some great features. I bought my first Blaser R93 in Oct. End of October I killed a very nice mule deer on the run with it. One shot and it was over. The gun is easy to shoot, easy to bring up to shooting position, and for a 270 Wby it shot a bud's handloads into 1/2" and has done the same with factory Weatherby ammo. I'll be ordering a 300 Wby mag in the new R8 probably within the next few weeks. And yes I'm selling some American made guns to do so. Unfortunately I don't have enough of them to be able to buy the R8 without selling some German guns too... frown

The concept of a souped up Remington 700 has always amused me. Mainly because I also spent quite a bit of money trying to turn a Chevy (Rem 700) into a BMW. In the end I still have a Chevy and the resale value is reflected as a Chevy when you get ready to sell it. All the custom work on that rifle is worth damn near zilch, maybe 10-20 cents on the dollar on a good day. Other than buying a McWhorter or a limited number of 'brand name' converted 700s you can spend quite a bit of money on one and you better enjoy it because come time to sell it most of what you spent is history. No doubt you can make a 700 shoot. Spend enough money on plastic surgery an ugly heifer can look pretty good. Why not start with a work of art that's also an investment? My 36 year old Colt Sauer will still outshoot the vast majority of guns ever made. I've seen the term 'boringly accurate' and it describes that rifle. These guns aren't for everybody and as someone else pointed out everybody has their priorities and their particular interest/hobbies. There are those who might drink a 12 pack a night, smoke a couple packs a day, play golf, go fishing, gambling, chase women, eat out at fancy restaurants, wear high dollar clothes, drive 4x4s with all the bells and whistles, spend $10,000 on a Texas deer lease to shoot one buck and some does, the list could go on and on. In most of our cases we're not rich elitest in any sense of the word. We simply enjoy a fine high quality rifle that we can hunt with or simply shoot and enjoy. I would say that from the Blaser, Sauer and Mauser owners I've met none are wealthy or snobs. Most could sit at any table with anybody here and other than if you saw their gun you'd never think they bought rifles for that kind of money.

There was a comment made in an earlier post about that blue barrel rusting in the weather. They are nitrited and almost (I said almost) impossible to rust. My 700 (the Chevy - BMW) was nitrited a few years ago at a cost of $285.00. It now is as tough as a Blaser, at least when it comes to fighting the weather. It had a continous corrosion issue and given the options I chose 'QPQ' which is nitriting the barrel, action, bolt and misc parts. I do recommend the process to anybody who really wants to keep their gun in great condition.

The url below is a bit bulky to copy and paste but worth seeing and reading what happened when Sweden conducted test on 8 different rifles and found out which ones did blow up when an obstruction was placed in the barrel. Only hint I'll add is it was American brands that failed...and failed rather dramatically!


Here is the write up concerning the test and everything that went into it. Being that they're translated they may or may not come through well on your computer. Copy and paste the entire two lines into your address bar:

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http://www.testfakta.se/sport_fritid/article14852.ece&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhgQd41pK8t8nLAsqmU53PHiTvxwGA

Here is the video link: (turn your volume down for this one..)

http://www.vmgo.com/yt/video/e4AqMl...-Mannlicher-Antonio-Zoli-Howa-Tikka.html

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Blaser buds.com!

Post an engineering link or two to where you find that Nitrided steel is "more" corrosion and rust resistant!

I will not dispute the increase in surface hardness for nitrided steel as used in cutting operations but your faith is misplaced in this process as a corrosion inhibitor.

On the internet folks claim a lot of stuff, if only half of it was true...I would be as happy as smiling Bob and rich as Bill Gates.....

In my examination of the engineering facts nitrided steel is simply not anymore corrosion resistant than blued steel. Several papers I have read indicate that nitriding of stainless steel even raises its susceptibility to corrosion!

If I am missing something please bring some facts and figures and links to an engineering site or two to help me understand.

I am not sure I would make it on the blaser forums, it sounds too tame.... we have a number of resident bullies, blowhards, troublemakers, trolls, and other Neanderthal hunting type azzholes here on this form driving their blue collar Remington rifles with McMillan lipstick (their is one particularly large obnoxious fellow here that likes brownings but we tolerate him as well), this place would be as boring as a retirement home for nuns without them. I like German optics, yet the straight pull German rifles whose only innovation is a switch barrel and a T-bolt type pull handle I just don�t know.

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interesting more nitrided parts...

The destroyed R93 had a lock guide or rail system ("Verschlussf�hrung") made of plastic.
DEVA attempted to simulate the accident with a similar rifle. The ammo used for this test was well inside max. pressure, but was prepared for case ruptures:
- primer perforation: no effect
- annealing: no effect
- a ring cut above the case bottom: still no effect, as the remaining case wall above the bottom still sealed the gas
- drilling a small hole in the case bottom, to direct gases backward: lock was instantly destroyed, lock parts were propelled backwards.

Conclusion: in case of gas escape the R93 with plastic lock rails is unsafe. Owners of such rifles should have replaced these parts by aluminum parts.


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I sure do like my R-93 and K-95. They go everywhere with me.

1 rifle I have .22 LR, 7mm-08 and .300 WSM barrels for it. Everything that I really need for all my hunting needs.

So many benefits to the R-93, so I will try and explain the value you get.

1) 1/2 MOA Accuracy
2) crisp triggers
3) Great stock, which allows you to use a removable recoil reducer
4) Light weight 6.75 pounds.
5) Short overall length.
6) transportable in a breakdown shotgun case. Great for flying
7) easiest rifle to clean, because you can break it down so easy
8) Safest rifle in the world with easy to use safety
9) detacable scope mounts with no tools required
10)Nitride finish that never scratches
11)Fantastic wood stocks if that's your thing
12)Easy, fast cycling bolt.
13)Easy to find used componets
14)Resale value has been great

A lot of comments made on this thread are just flat out wrong, You can tell who has experience with these rifles and who has never used one.

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I wish you people would quit bringing up the K95. This thread is obviously about the R93. My 2 R93's with multiple barrels form the backbone of my hunting battery. I really don't need anything else. But that doesn't mean I don't lust after one of those slick little K95's, and your incessant talk of them just makes it worse. So cut it out.


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Blasers are excellent rifles, but somebody said life is to short to hunt with an ugly rifle.
Who ever said Melonite QPQ was mot corrosion resistant needs to check this link. http://www.burlingtoneng.com/corrosion_resistance.html
If this and other things on this website are not scientific enough for you I nwill do the searching for you.
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Originally Posted by hotsoup
i believe they lack popularity in america for 3 reasons.

first, their price is far above what most will pay (or are able to pay).

second, their appearance is unusual when compared to the typical bolt, pump, or semi-auto almost every hunting american uses (and has seen used by family/friends). most people want to "fit in" or "be accepted", and toting a blaser doesn't fit that catagory.

third, few people (even those with 3-4k to burn on a rifle) want something others might consider "gaudy". i realize blasers function as designed, and are as accurate as the next design, but i have heard them described as the only rifle trying to make a "fashion statement". certainly that is untrue, but the perception is out there.

i watched one fellow shoot one at a range a few years back. his rifles was quite accurate, and pretty too. however, i just can't warm up to the design. ymmv.



I agree with the above. Americans are conservative in their taste for rifles and don't like unconventional rifles. I just bought my first Remington Model 700 a month ago and bought 2 Remington Model Sevens three years ago; I guess I finally warmed up to the lack of the Mauser extractor. Of course, it took me 40 years to accept the Porsche 911 styling (I like the 356 though).

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Originally Posted by Brazos_Jack
I wish you people would quit bringing up the K95. This thread is obviously about the R93. My 2 R93's with multiple barrels form the backbone of my hunting battery. I really don't need anything else. But that doesn't mean I don't lust after one of those slick little K95's, and your incessant talk of them just makes it worse. So cut it out.

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K95/6.5X55 = 5 shot groups under 1/2" with Federal Fusion on a regular basis... laugh
I love it!.. grin


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Originally Posted by butchlambert1
Blasers are excellent rifles, but somebody said life is to short to hunt with an ugly rifle.
Who ever said Melonite QPQ was mot corrosion resistant needs to check this link. http://www.burlingtoneng.com/corrosion_resistance.html
If this and other things on this website are not scientific enough for you I nwill do the searching for you.
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Thanks for looking that one up. I'm sure the Rem specialist will find something wrong with it. The best proof I have that it works is something that I saw with my own eyes and isn't documented on the net where the armchair QBs can look at it. My gunsmith had a barrel done when he first started offering the service. It was a piece of a barrel, not a complete one. His son took the barrel and put it in the wood stove that they heat the work shop with. After leaving it in the stove for a while he took it out and put it outside in the rain. They left it on the table for several months and it looks as good as it did when it was done. If someone doesn't understand nitriting there isn't much one can do to change their mind. Bottom line it works. I know my Rem 700 that was a rust bucket from Remington no longer has a problem. I have friends who hunt with their Blasers in the wet and cold of Alaska and they have reported no problems. That even carries over to the treatment/finish that they put on the wood stocks. No one has reported an issue using the Blasers in the worst conditions for days at a time.

Easy enough though. If you don't like them don't buy them. Kind of like me buying a Ruger again. Every one I've owned was pure junk. Yet I know some folks who love their Rugers. If they work for them that's great. Maybe I was just blessed with the lemon editions. Same thing goes for me ever buying another Remington product. Won't happen ever again. Lots of folks happy with theirs and Remington's parent company thanks them for contributing to the bottom line and the rest of us are happy some folks have jobs here still. Something that's vanishing as we write. I have to say when I first laid my eyes on a Blaser I wasn't sold on it and prefered my Sauer rifles. As time has gone by I've come to realize that they just do some things extremely well and believe them to be better than or at least equal to anything else out there. When was the last time you saw somebody open a case take out a Remington, screw the barrel in, mount the scope and put the first round in the bullseye? For that matter the Mauser M03 does the same thing and the Sauer 202s are right there in the same groove too. Or for that matter see the Remington owner be able to swap out different barrels for different game? Or swap out different scopes for different hunting conditions and both be sighted in? Hunting in brush today, a 1.5-6, hunting open fields tomorrow you swap to a 6-24. All in a matter of seconds without having to check zero.


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Originally Posted by Brazos_Jack
I wish you people would quit bringing up the K95. This thread is obviously about the R93. My 2 R93's with multiple barrels form the backbone of my hunting battery. I really don't need anything else. But that doesn't mean I don't lust after one of those slick little K95's, and your incessant talk of them just makes it worse. So cut it out.


Just go get ya one! They had a K95 at the shoot here in San Antonio, believe it was a 7 mag. Pretty rifle. Since it was a display model they probably still have it at the warehouse... just trying to help... grin

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