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#4673883 - 12/07/10 03:19 PM Re: Why are German Cars So Unreliable? [Re: Bristoe]
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#4673957 - 12/07/10 03:32 PM Re: Why are German Cars So Unreliable? [Re: Bristoe]
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American BMW 3 series are now made in South Africa.

Nothing screams quality like Africa....
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#4673960 - 12/07/10 03:33 PM Re: Why are German Cars So Unreliable? [Re: Barkoff]
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Originally Posted By: Barkoff
I mean I hear what you are saying, but then you tell me you have two Japanese cars in the driveway.

I was toying with the idea of buying a used BMW or Audi someday, when I looked into it I was discouraged. My friend has an expensive BMW, big heavy car with a V-12, he told me that when his brakes need replacing he just can't change the pads, the pads and rotors come as one now, very expensive brake jobs. Parts and service very expensive. Unreliable translating to expensive trips to the dealer.


I was taking issue with the CR and JD powers position that claims german cars are as unreliable as american cars, they aren't. Germans typically sell only their luxury models in the U.S. I'd buy them if they weren't so danged expensive but my wife and I put a lot of miles on vehicles and I can't afford to wear out a $50K car every five years. I've also been around long enough to know that I come out better financially if I buy a toyota camry and drive it for 300,000 miles than if I buy a chevy that dies after 150,000 miles, hence the japanese cars in the driveway.

Your friends BMW is a perfect example of what I was saying about expensive maintenance on german cars. Brakes are a wear item, sooner or later they're going to have to be replaced. That expensive brake job is another reason I don't have a german car, I can replace the brake pads on a camry for $12. If your friend bought a $70K V12 BMW then it would seem intuitive that maintenance on it was going to be expensive.

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#4673982 - 12/07/10 03:37 PM Re: Why are German Cars So Unreliable? [Re: Bristoe]
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Yes, replacement parts and service for German cars is very expensive. I've generally stopped going to the dealer for servicing and have been doing repairs after having dropped $4k for two new catalytic convertors, 4 O2 sensors and labor to install it all.

Your best bet on getting a German car is to get one that is 3-5 years old, with 20-40k on the Odo. It's taken a big hit in depriciation, the new car gremlins have been worked out, and you shouldn't have any major repair items or uber expensive 100k services to worry about. When the odo hits 99k, sell it.
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#4674012 - 12/07/10 03:43 PM Re: Why are German Cars So Unreliable? [Re: 458 Lott]
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I just sold a 2004 325I sedan that was bought new, driven easy and regularly serviced.

It became a lawn ornament. I refused to take it on road trips because of it's history of problems.

Went to Florida in the Spring and Michigan in September. I drove my 12 year old Mazda Millenia instead of the BMW both times because it's been totally trustworthy since new.

The BMW was replaced with an Acura.

BMW=hype

Acura=quality
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#4674054 - 12/07/10 03:53 PM Re: Why are German Cars So Unreliable? [Re: Bristoe]
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I think some of the compaints with Mercedes and BMW are due to fussy owners. I've known some owners for whom every little thing was a big deal, a major inconvenience, and they whine about little things that most of us take in stride.
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#4674070 - 12/07/10 03:57 PM Re: Why are German Cars So Unreliable? [Re: Foxbat]
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Originally Posted By: Foxbat
American BMW 3 series are now made in South Africa.

Nothing screams quality like Africa....


BMW has been building cars in South Africa since the 70's.

One of my customers has a 2003 X5 4.4l that has over 410k miles on it. Engine is original, never had a valve job. Replaced the trans at 260k miles, and replaced the oil pump at 400k. Its been pretty bulletproof for him so far. Japanese car tend to nickel & dime you less, German cars just feel so much better on the road. For those that drive them, and are prepared for the extra maintenance, its worth it. (Great job security for me too smile ).


Edited by badger (12/07/10 04:00 PM)
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#4674078 - 12/07/10 03:59 PM Re: Why are German Cars So Unreliable? [Re: doubletap]
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Originally Posted By: doubletap
I think some of the compaints with Mercedes and BMW are due to fussy owners. I've known some owners for whom every little thing was a big deal, a major inconvenience, and they whine about little things that most of us take in stride.


I'm not particularly fussy,...but when I buy a vehicle that's touts itself as being premium quality, I don't expect the ball joints and control arm to be completely trashed at 56,000 miles and I also don't expect them to have been made in China.
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#4674108 - 12/07/10 04:07 PM Re: Why are German Cars So Unreliable? [Re: Bristoe]
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Originally Posted By: Bristoe

The BMW was replaced with an Acura.

BMW=hype

Acura= quality



You will enjoy that Acura... Wife has a TL and it has been flawless.

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#4674113 - 12/07/10 04:07 PM Re: Why are German Cars So Unreliable? [Re: Bristoe]
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http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2008/11/benz-and-beemer-start-food-co-op-for-chinese-parts/

Daimler AG plans to increase its sourcing of automotive components from China nearly eight-fold within four years. The luxury car maker will buy $3.25b worth of car components per year in China. Now, BMW is itching to get in on the act. Not that BMW is new to buying parts in China, they have done that for years, mostly unbeknown to their well-heeled customers.
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