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#4700089 - 12/13/10 11:03 PM .338 Lapua for dangerous game???
Polska Offline
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This may seem crazy... i know it's a sniper round..but i was browsing through my midway catalog last night and saw some of the number for the .338 lapua...i knew it was a souped up version of the .338 win mag and .338 RUM, but i didn't think it was this impressive... some of the numbers I found:

300 grain bullet @ 2,900fps!!!

I forgot who made the ammo.. but i'm not lying I think it was federal or norma or one of those other non big name brands.

This is INSANE... thats more than a .375 H&H and a smaller bullet, this thing must penetrate like heck..

Think it could suffice for the big 5... i'm not talking about what the laws are... the law says you must use a .375 diameter bullet, but laws aside... I think it would even be better then the bigger rounds, except maybe for stopping


Edited by Polska (12/13/10 11:05 PM)
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#4700098 - 12/13/10 11:09 PM Re: .338 Lapua for dangerous game??? [Re: Polska]
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Corbon .338 Lapua. 300 grain hollow point boat tail2800fps, 5,225 ft pds

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=578724

Black hills, 300 grain@ 2800fps
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=773237

I think nosler was the one that had the 300 grainer at 2900
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#4701049 - 12/14/10 09:12 AM Re: .338 Lapua for dangerous game??? [Re: Polska]
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#4701304 - 12/14/10 10:19 AM Re: .338 Lapua for dangerous game??? [Re: jackfish]
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It is the same league as the 340Wby and the .338 Ultra Mag so should work just fine on the same crtitters as those do. It is no super round, but simply one designed for long range military applications.
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#4701321 - 12/14/10 10:24 AM Re: .338 Lapua for dangerous game??? [Re: 458Win]
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The 338 RUM is a better round if built in the same rifle
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#4701348 - 12/14/10 10:33 AM Re: .338 Lapua for dangerous game??? [Re: Polska]
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Originally Posted By: Polska
This may seem crazy... i know it's a sniper round..but i was browsing through my midway catalog last night and saw some of the number for the .338 lapua...i knew it was a souped up version of the .338 win mag and .338 RUM, but i didn't think it was this impressive... some of the numbers I found:

300 grain bullet @ 2,900fps!!!

I forgot who made the ammo.. but i'm not lying I think it was federal or norma or one of those other non big name brands.

This is INSANE... thats more than a .375 H&H and a smaller bullet, this thing must penetrate like heck..

Think it could suffice for the big 5... i'm not talking about what the laws are... the law says you must use a .375 diameter bullet, but laws aside... I think it would even be better then the bigger rounds, except maybe for stopping

Weatherby 338/378 will go 2850fps- no problem with the 300 SMK. The 338Lapua IM will go over 3000fps. same bullet. My 378 spits out 300 grain bullets at over 3000 fps-what's the big deal. The best deal though is not in the speed it's what you do with the brass after, the 338 lapua IM can be simply renecked and shot over and over up to 10-15 times before full lenght resize which is what you have to do right away with all the other rounds that every one speaks of. This is why my Lapua will outshoot the bees and rums.
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#4701352 - 12/14/10 10:34 AM Re: .338 Lapua for dangerous game??? [Re: Polska]
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Originally Posted By: Polska
Corbon .338 Lapua. 300 grain hollow point boat tail2800fps, 5,225 ft pds

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=578724

Black hills, 300 grain@ 2800fps
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=773237

I think nosler was the one that had the 300 grainer at 2900



The usel;ess FPE numbers rears it's ugly head again


Since when has a 338 bore been elevated to the big bore classification
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#4701357 - 12/14/10 10:35 AM Re: .338 Lapua for dangerous game??? [Re: bea175]
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Originally Posted By: bea175
The 338 RUM is a better round if built in the same rifle



How is it better??
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#4701398 - 12/14/10 10:50 AM Re: .338 Lapua for dangerous game??? [Re: jwp475]
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I'm thinking boltface, as that would be my concern. Can't speak for bea175.

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#4701568 - 12/14/10 11:27 AM Re: .338 Lapua for dangerous game??? [Re: Rman]
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That is an over blown concern


388 Lapua on a M-700 action with Seekins detachable box magazine that allows for a COAL of 3.9"set up for long range hunting


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#4701591 - 12/14/10 11:30 AM Re: .338 Lapua for dangerous game??? [Re: jwp475]
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I'd much rather have a 416 pushing a 350 gr @ 2700 fps. It's more gun up close, and a 300 yd gun with no holdover, which is further than one should be taking pokes at dangerous game.
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#4701647 - 12/14/10 11:42 AM Re: .338 Lapua for dangerous game??? [Re: 458 Lott]
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Agreed, +1.....
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#4701923 - 12/14/10 12:57 PM Re: .338 Lapua for dangerous game??? [Re: jwp475]
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Originally Posted By: jwp475


That is an over blown concern


388 Lapua on a M-700 action with Seekins detachable box magazine that allows for a COAL of 3.9"set up for long range hunting








You know, I don't doubt that it is, or they wouldn't be doing it. When I look at the difference between the 700 boltface, and the one on my Sako, it still concerns me, there just isn't much material there on the 700 face. Not saying I would never shoot one, or own one, or anything like that. It is something I would inspect often, that's all. Nice rifle, and even nicer OAL. That would get 'em moving.

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#4702001 - 12/14/10 01:27 PM Re: .338 Lapua for dangerous game??? [Re: Rman]
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What about the bolt fac on a 98 Mauser or the CRF M-70? Harry Shelby's 416 Rigby was mad on a 98 Mauser action. The 416 Rigby is the parent case for the 338 Lapua


Edited by jwp475 (12/14/10 01:28 PM)
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#4702030 - 12/14/10 01:34 PM Re: .338 Lapua for dangerous game??? [Re: jwp475]
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Originally Posted By: jwp475

What about the bolt fac on a 98 Mauser or the CRF M-70? Harry Shelby's 416 Rigby was mad on a 98 Mauser action. The 416 Rigby is the parent case for the 338 Lapua


I think the main difference is they don't protrude as far and thus will be more rigid. For that bolt face diameter I would prefer PF M70 or the HS Precision as the locking lugs extend to the end of the bolt.

But I think the main issue is you can have the same case capacity with the RUM or otherwise go to the 338/378.

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#4702114 - 12/14/10 02:00 PM Re: .338 Lapua for dangerous game??? [Re: Mike378]
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The problem with the RUM is the it's small amount of popularity IMHO. The advantage of the Lapua is the quality and strngth of the 338 Lapua brand brass, and that is why I went with the Lapua and glad that I did
The M-700 Lapua above shoots 300 SMKs in the .2s and is plenty accurate for LRH IMHO
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#4703672 - 12/14/10 08:21 PM Re: .338 Lapua for dangerous game??? [Re: 458 Lott]
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Originally Posted By: 458 Lott
I'd much rather have a 416 pushing a 350 gr @ 2700 fps. It's more gun up close, and a 300 yd gun with no holdover, which is further than one should be taking pokes at dangerous game.


I agree, but my qeustion is whether you could go on a safari withit and successfully take an elephant and rhino with it. Obviously for worst case scenario i'd rather have a 458 of some type or bigger
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#4703763 - 12/14/10 08:50 PM Re: .338 Lapua for dangerous game??? [Re: Polska]
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Originally Posted By: Polska
Originally Posted By: 458 Lott
I'd much rather have a 416 pushing a 350 gr @ 2700 fps. It's more gun up close, and a 300 yd gun with no holdover, which is further than one should be taking pokes at dangerous game.


I agree, but my qeustion is whether you could go on a safari withit and successfully take an elephant and rhino with it. Obviously for worst case scenario i'd rather have a 458 of some type or bigger


In short - NO. African countries tend to have caliber and energy minimums for DG hunting. Usually these have been standardized at .375 and (roughly) 4,000 ft. lbs. at the muzzle. The one exception is Leopard but there are some countries that still require a .375 for Mr. Spots.
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#4703823 - 12/14/10 09:08 PM Re: .338 Lapua for dangerous game??? [Re: Polska]
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Originally Posted By: Polska
Originally Posted By: 458 Lott
I'd much rather have a 416 pushing a 350 gr @ 2700 fps. It's more gun up close, and a 300 yd gun with no holdover, which is further than one should be taking pokes at dangerous game.


I agree, but my qeustion is whether you could go on a safari withit and successfully take an elephant and rhino with it. Obviously for worst case scenario i'd rather have a 458 of some type or bigger



Elephant and Rhino have been taken with much smaller Bell used a 6.5 to kill a lot of Elephants

The FPE is not a good indicator of a cartridges lethality
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#4703842 - 12/14/10 09:17 PM Re: .338 Lapua for dangerous game??? [Re: jwp475]
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action availably and brass easier to come by and cheaper. The Lapua may hold around 7 or 8 more gr of powder, not enough to make a difference in my opinion.
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#4703864 - 12/14/10 09:25 PM Re: .338 Lapua for dangerous game??? [Re: bea175]
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Well I gotta say that I sure like the way the .416 Rem mag or Rigby smack big game in the field. Most places I ever took those big bores of mine, I never had to shoot more than 250 yards to begin with in order to harvest my animal. The 350 grain Swift A Frame usually is recovered picture perfect in mushrooming, if it doesn't pass clean on through.
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#4703884 - 12/14/10 09:39 PM Re: .338 Lapua for dangerous game??? [Re: bea175]
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Originally Posted By: bea175
action availably and brass easier to come by and cheaper. The Lapua may hold around 7 or 8 more gr of powder, not enough to make a difference in my opinion.



Acctually the RUM and the Lapua hold about the same amount of powder. The Laupa is more popular and the brass is better and that is why I chose the Lapua. Ballistcaly they are equal
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#4704028 - 12/14/10 11:42 PM Re: .338 Lapua for dangerous game??? [Re: jwp475]
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My only experience thus far with the Lapua was with this charming model unveiled by Savage a year ago.

I wouldn't say I was inordinately enamored of it, but they DID have to pry me away from it.

Still thinking about an acquisition...

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#4704062 - 12/15/10 12:44 AM Re: .338 Lapua for dangerous game??? [Re: Kentucky_Windage]
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The 338 Lapua is great for certain applications, and with proper bullets should work fine on most game but I don't think it'll replace my short, light 375's or 458 for most work.

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#4704974 - 12/15/10 08:13 AM Re: .338 Lapua for dangerous game??? [Re: 458Win]
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Looking at FPE and thinking that a 338 is the same as a 416, 458,etc on large dangerous game is very flawed thinking

The 338 is one of my favorite bore sizes, but just as Phil stated above it ain't a replacement for the TRUE BIG BORES by no stretch of the imagination
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#4705472 - 12/15/10 10:23 AM Re: .338 Lapua for dangerous game??? [Re: 458Win]
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Originally Posted By: 458Win
The 338 Lapua is great for certain applications, and with proper bullets should work fine on most game but I don't think it'll replace my short, light 375's or 458 for most work.


Nice TRG and nice shooting range you have there.
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