Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Bowhunting So what are you guys afraid of?

If you are that scared of the woods, maybe you should stay home. miles

Real smart come back there Miles....NOT!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

You need to work on your communication skills. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

I think your own words just proved his point about bowhunters being selfish!

Please tell us what makes it YOUR season??? This is EXACTLY the selfishness he is talking about......you are afraid people using crossbows will somehow cut into YOUR season......you can deny selfishness all you want, but your words betray you!

Going Hunting, as Jay Leno would say Exactly!! To answer RWL's questions I have always been interested in Crossbows and I really do not see why bow hunters are so afraid of them taking over archery seasons as far as I am concerned Archery is Archery. Back way back when the traditionalist fought against compounds yet most use them today I do not see that happening with crossbows as they do not interest every one but for those who want to use them why not. The safetys on a crossbow are just as safe as the one on your 3006 or what ever you shoot. My crossbow shoots a 2216 (Reccomended) arrow but I can use 2117's also. Yea I can use a crossbow now and would have in the past if allowed as I think they are a interesting weapon and should not be discrimintated against.

RWL99, Well it is obvious you know all there is to know about bows and hunting and think that everyone should be limited to the type equipment you prefer to use. No advantage in fibreglass over natural wood and of course carbon arrows are no advantage over aluminum or wood. At least that is what you would have people believe by your posts.

You have more eloquently defended my positions by your previous posts, than anything I could ever say would so I will bow out and leave this to people like you that obviously know everything. Enjoy your life! TM

I thought that I communicated very well what I meant. miles

OK our bow season meaning archers, bow hunters. The special archery season was made for bows...not crossbows.

In 1946 in Michigan the Attorney General deemed crossbows as non archery weapons and therefore not to be used during the special archery season. That law still stands. I'm only defending what the law says is mine.

It has nothing to do with what you use,... wood selfbow, glass lamited recurve, compound bow, wood, aluminum, or carbon arrows.... ALL are legal to use during the special archery season. Crossbows in my state are not legal unless you have a hadicapped permit.

No one has disputed my claim that the crossbow movement is motivated by money....why?, because it's true.

JH45gun, In the first place traditionalist DID NOT fight against compounds! I know , because I worked in an archery shop in the late 60's and early 70's. Most accepted them with open arms because they make shooting a bow EASY !

In the second place archery is archery but a crossbow ain't a bow...Why?, because the Michigan Attorney General said it wasn't.

Travelingman,

First of all, no apology necessary, but I appreciate the gesture. No hard feelings here. Sounds like you had a hard day at the office. Don't they have a "happy hour" in Mexico where those kind of misunderstandings can be ironed out? Tequila is a great stress reliever, they tell me. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


I would guess that might well be the case, but it's hard to say for sure. I know for a fact, though, that none of the species I hunted have become extinct.


If that is their fear, I have to say that I really don't understand that line of thinking. Are they afraid that there aren't enough deer to go around? Are they afraid that a crossbow hunter will get a certain "monster buck" before they can? Or is it just elitism, I wonder, ... like the fly fisherman who looks down his nose at the bait caster with his can o' worms?

Hunting is not a competitive sport, or at least it shouldn't be, IMO. Personally, I really enjoy shooting and hunting with a simple recurve bow. Not sure why, but that's the way it is, so that's what I use. I couldn't care less what anybody else uses, or whether they shoot more, or bigger deer. I don't believe it's any of my business. Keeping just myself happy is a
full-time job. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


Since I've never hunted deer with a crossbow, you'd do well to take my opinion on this with a grain of salt. FWIW, here it is ....

First off, I would agree that toting a crossbow around in the woods is a pain in the arse. I've always thought they would make a great drag on a coyote set. For me, that's reason enough to leave it at home these days.

For those that don't mind all of that, I think the crossbow could be an ace in the hole, come the cold weather of the late archery season up here in the north country. Cold, stiff muscles and half-numb fingers would really appreciate such a contraption, I would think.

I sometimes wonder if marginally skilled archers wouldn't wound fewer deer if they used a crossbow instead of a traditional bow. The anti-crossbow crowd tends to promote the theory that more deer would be wounded with crossbows, but I have my doubts about that one.


Well, yeah, I can understand that (NOT!). Everyone knows crossbows are evil, just like those darned "assault rifles". <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

I sure can't argue with that. But, you know what?

The Ben Pearson Recurve Bow Movement was motivated by money, too, as was the
Fred Bear Compound Bow Movement, and the Duncan Yo-Yo Movement, etc., etc..

It's called capitalism, and I like it.

99 Traditionalist did so look down on the compound so your arguement is BS there maybe the guys in the bow shops did as it ment extra money as you are so worried about. SO you would take the meaning of a Att Gen who probably never hunted before????????? WI Att Gen Doyle NOW GOV DOYLE is one the the most anti gun liberal Democrats to come down the pike .Not all politicians are friendly to hunting or guns or other forms of hunting in fact some fit real well into the peta camp.

I have been accused of being an eliteist snob on another forum for stating that i didn't want modern inlines in a traditional season.
Same as crossbows in an archery season.
I have absolutely no problem if a disabled person wants to use any type of weapon to hunt with, even from a vehicle.
I do not think that crossbows should be allowed in an archery season, however, EXCEPT for a disabled person.

it has to do not so much with the traditional description of a bow, but with the attitude of those money grubbers that sell that stuff, and the attitude of the idjits that only want another tag and don't give a dam about anything else but bragging.
There are some other issues, but these are the main ones.
And before I get nailed with the "eletist snob " thing again,
let me infoprm all here that I have all typees of firearms and bows except for copmpounds and inlines, which I do not own , only because I don't want to. If that makes me an eletist snob, so be it. I will not appologize for it.

Catnthehat

How would you feel if they gave us crossbowers a four and a half month long season of our own? miles

Whatever.
I really don't think that there should be ANY special seasons!
That is what some people don't understand about me.
I was hunting with a muzzle loader and bow before any of the special seasons, and most of the people that call me stupid because I refuse to hunt with an inline or compound would not be doing it themselves unless they had these so-called "special " seasons.

That is my beef.
hunt with what you want, just don't tell me that I should consider someone else "special" , unless they are a challenged hunter.
That changes everything, to my way of thinking.
Catnthehat

When people get rich by not caring who and what they are hurting, I call that immoral greed, not capitalism,

You are right, in that a crossbow or bow, or muzzleloader would not be my first choice for deer. That said, I decided for myself that if I killed a doe last year, it would be with my crossbow. I watched doe all year that I could have killed legally with my rifle or muzzleloader. On new years day I killed a doe with the crossbow and posted in the bow forum. Gator1 took exception with that. If I had shot the doe with a rifle, I would have gotten a lot of "atta boys" and "way to go" and "congrats", but the bow crowd do think that their way is the only way. Most people that are not handicaped in some way, do not shoot a crossbow much because they are too unhandy. Nearly all go back to a regular or compound bow. I have arthritis in my shoulders and can not even hold a rifle up for long. Crossbows are legal in Arkansas for the entire bow season, and I have no problem with "ANYONE" using them. miles

Archery season here in Michigan is 2 1/2 months. Crossbows have their own season, it's called gunseason!

Big freaking deal.......as I recall, lots of the most learned scholars of the day claimed that the earth was flat.....and the jury said OJ wasn't guilty......doesn't make it true.........what credentials made the AG an expert worthy of deciding what is and isn't "archery weapons"??? Wonder if he knows anything about history and how long the crossbow has been around as an "archery weapon"???



So, what you are saying is that it's alright with you for people to use what they chose as long as it's legal???? Then I guess you don't have a problem with people using crossbows if the are made legal???? If you hadn't noticed, laws change all the time...... There is NOTHING primitive about fiberglass, compound bows, aluminum or carbon arrows or modern broadheads.......but you think they are alright because YOU say they are alright????? Who died and made you archery god???



I agree, but that has NOTHING to do with this discussion.......tell me, who is getting rich here??? The archery manufacturers???? You think Matthews, Bear, Person, Black Widow, Hoyt, Parker, Jennings, Shakespear BowTech....etc....haven't made a bundle off their bows??? How about Easton.....think they haven't done very well making aluminum arrow shafts???? Maybe you think Muzzy, NAP, etc are making broadheads just because they need something to do??? Guess it's alright for those guys to make money (get rich) in the industry but it's wrong for barnett or excalibur or horton to make money???? Maybe you are a mind reader??? Do you have a "sixth sense" that lets you know which companies are in it to get rich without "caring who and what they are hurting"???? Guess all the people that make equipment you use are in the business to make the world a better place????

Who and what, besides your silly "romantic" notion of how things should be, is being hurt by allowing crossbows in regular archery season???

Can you provide any evidence that allowing crossbows into regular archery season has caused any significant increase in the harvest of game???

Can you provide any evidence that allowing crossbows in the regular archery season has resulted in shortening or closing archery season???

Why don't you just admit that you don't like crossbows for selfish reasons.......and leave it at that........the other "reasons" you are proclaiming sure don't fly!!!

Not only do they not fly they don't even get off of the ground! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />