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As for the heavy for caliber debate,you can't kill whitetails any deader or any faster than the 140 7mm VLD does in our 280 AI. The same bullet pushed out of a 7 STW is a sight to behold.
40 yds. to 440yds. no difference in terminal effect and we do get an occasional pass-thru.
Time has come for the U.S. to be proactive instead of reactive to those who would kill us !!
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Campfire Kahuna
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Campfire Kahuna
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Too many folks worried about bang flops IMHO.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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When would it even be more desirable for an animal to run than for him to die right there where you shot him? I guess if you could get him to run toward your truck, but that seems even less predicable than a bang-flop.  John
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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John,
I agree about the cause of expansion. In fact it's pretty much impossible for VLD's to begin expanding in the same way as conventional hollow- or soft-points, because there isn't any opening in the meplat. It's completely closed, the reason for the very small puncture-wound entrance hole.
That's an interesting theory about the expansion at different ranges. All I can say for sure is that I've never seen a VLD "expand prematurely" and also never seen one fail to expand, no matter what the range. JB, The VLD may not be the bullet for everyone but I sure like the reliable performance and the lethality. I don�t expect stem to stern penetration but I do expect lethal results from any well placed shot on my part. And sometime I get lethal results from a not so well placed shot. (liver) Just a matter of reasonable expectations from a bullet. Nothing magic.
John Burns
I have all the sources.
They can't stop the signal.
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Campfire Kahuna
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John,
Yep, the liver shot works well. I was sitting next to Walt Berger in New Zealand when he shot a HUGE red stag in the liver (not intentionally) with a 115-grain VLD from a .257 Roberts. The stag barely made it 15 feet before falling over dead!
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