the whole thing dont bug me so long as you dont claim its something it aint.....it aint hunting and your buying per inch but in the end, it aint different than shooting the beef steer for the freezer.....
I have no problem with shooting your own meat, either, but something tells me that's not what we're looking at, here. JMO, Dutch.
in the end its no different, i want to shoot a buffalo but refuse to do a wild hunt, my knees and back are [bleep] and i aint packing one out, ill wind up shooting a ranch bison, have a full freezer, a skull for the wall and a hide....will it be a hunt? nope, not at all but sometimes you just want a freezer full of meat....dont see the shooting of the above elk and red stags as any different.....dont see why it should be illegal either, your shooting livestock is all.....
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cant stop that, know ppl that snipe whitetail off hay stacks that think they are great hunters cause they kill a buck every year but are completely lost if i take them out after mule deer and they have to spend the day glassing and stalking.......
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yeah, no problem with it if yah call it what it is, expect chit if yah try to make it what it aint but either way i dont have a single problem with it legally speaking....your shooting livestock, not a wild animal and i dont have a problem with anyone shooting livestock.....thats basically what i was getting at....
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Preserve or estate hunts are not for everyone but they still play a part in hunting. Some people for what ever reason find this type of harvest suitable for them or their kids.......It is their choice and they shouldn't be chastised for doing so. Nothing is going to waste, from meat to antlers! Any meat that might be left behind is donated to a food bank....and.....they really appreciate it when we arrive with a cooler full of much sought after venison!
since we live in the same state I'll chime in: if you want to run such an operation that's fine with me. it's unfortunately legal. however, we should be clear: it has nothing to do with hunting and everything to do with shooting animals. second, you further demean the whole notion of hunting when you refer to it as a "harvest". you harvest corn, you kill animals.
you continue to give the antis plenty of reason to keep screaming.
since we live in the same state I'll chime in: if you want to run such an operation that's fine with me. it's unfortunately legal. however, we should be clear: it has nothing to do with hunting and everything to do with shooting animals. second, you further demean the whole notion of hunting when you refer to it as a "harvest". you harvest corn, you kill animals.
you continue to give the antis plenty of reason to keep screaming.
Call it what you want ,the results are the same..... a dead animal, killed either in the wild or in a preserve.
Do you really think an anti hunting proponent would think your killing a deer is any different just because you think it is the only ethical way to put venison in your freezer.
Remember...... they are anti hunters, no matter where you choose to hunt!
The results are the same to a point; the end point being a dead animal. And I can certainly respect your willingness and desire to defend the business which feeds your family however, while the end point may be the same, let's not for a minute think shooting animals in a pen, excuse me, a preserve is the same as hunting wild animals with unrestricted movement.
I really believe if push came to shove hunting wild untrapped animals versus what you do would occupy two very distinct placed on the antis continuum.
I have no problem with kids or handicap people shooting game in a pen. In fact as soon as my boys are old enough I am going to let them shoot some hogs on a preserve here.
For a grown person with no disabilities shooting big game in a pen and think they have accomplished something is just them being foolish or wanting everyone to think they are "trophy hunters".
I shoot alot of tame birds with my birddogs. I have to to keep my birddogs in good shape. There is no doubt though that tame quail, pheasants or chuckers are nothing more than chickens that can fly a short distance.
"To pick a rifle and bullet for use on game by muzzle energy alone is, at best, foolish...and can be dangerous to your own health..." Bill Steigers, April 23, 1980
There's more than feed involved. These are bred by experienced breeders who understand genetics. It's impossible to get this in the wild because of the odds of getting right sequence of matings for the desired result.
These are just cattle and a farmer has every right to harvest his cattle any way he wants to. If he can find a stooge willing to pay tens of thousands of dollars to shoot a cow in a pasture, more power to him. Just don't call it hunting.
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It's not over when you lose. It's over when you quit.
I've held back from saying this on this forum for quite a while but I'm drunk enough now I'll say it. I worked on a farm like this a while back. People would come shoot elk from the 4 wheeler or side by side and would claim their prize. I would yank the ear tag out before pictures came. It was fun, but not totally for me.
I never once met a client who thought it was real hunting. Most were really old or handicapped. The rest addmittedly recognized it as nothing more than a cattle like operation. A money transaction. They didn't have a problem wth it and neither did I.
You dont get stags like that without a LOT of steroids, feed and genetics. These stags are monstrous freaks - no way in the wild even with the most optimum conditions would a wild red deer grow a head like that ever. Overhere in NZ in February the roads fill up with stockstrucks with stags being trucked from the farms where they were handraised and sold to game estates at auction, where they are shot in April by (most prominantly) American and German trophy hunters. They pay a fortune for the taxidermy as well. The stags even have names like racehorses. It mostly happens outside of the hunting culture here in NZ, but more and more it is getting noticed because the operations are advertising on the net, and some hunters put there 'trophys' on websites and so forth. It's giving American hunters generally a bad name over here. They think all Yanks are like that... Maybe these people think its real hunting - I dont know. Certainly the guides try to make out it is to them and walk them over the hills for four days before they take them to where the animal was the whole time. They get the client to shoot them quick lest the animal walk right up to them to get a bit of apple... Dont pay money to go hunting in New Zealand. They make out you have to because of the chopper shooting, but its completely untrue. I am sad to see this kind of thing also going on over there.
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You dont get stags like that without a LOT of steroids, feed and genetics. These stags are monstrous freaks - no way in the wild even with the most optimum conditions would a wild red deer grow a head like that ever. Overhere in NZ in February the roads fill up with stockstrucks with stags being trucked from the farms where they were handraised and sold to game estates at auction, where they are shot in April by (most prominantly) American and German trophy hunters. They pay a fortune for the taxidermy as well. The stags even have names like racehorses. It mostly happens outside of the hunting culture here in NZ, but more and more it is getting noticed because the operations are advertising on the net, and some hunters put there 'trophys' on websites and so forth. It's giving American hunters generally a bad name over here. They think all Yanks are like that... Maybe these people think its real hunting - I dont know. Certainly the guides try to make out it is to them and walk them over the hills for four days before they take them to where the animal was the whole time. They get the client to shoot them quick lest the animal walk right up to them to get a bit of apple... Dont pay money to go hunting in New Zealand. They make out you have to because of the chopper shooting, but its completely untrue. I am sad to see this kind of thing also going on over there.
Sad but true.
My first Red was probably the hardest hunt I ever experienced. No monster at all, but a cherished trophy for me. I have been on other hunts that were considerably easier but still free range, which is as it should be.
John
When truth is ignored, it does not change an untruth from remaining a lie.
Dutch. 
