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I have a 50th aniversery coming up soon and wife has decided to actually Bless me with a new rifle. I have decided on the rifle manufacturer, action, and barrel length. NOW the question has come down to caliber. I have narrowed it down to these two: 1. 270 Win 2. 25-06 The rifle will be used for southern whitail deer which over the last 10 yrs my 100 = kills have averaged 120-125 lbs pre-field-dressed weight. No Giants I know but Gooooood eating size. Range of kills have been from 45-280 yds. I will be mounting a Zeiss conquest 3-9x40 scope. So scope is no question.
Please stay within these caliber choices. So lets Go Campfire folks help the Ole man out. Since deer are your quarry, get the 25-06. So far in this thread we have established that both will do a great job on deer so get the lesser recoiling of the two. You sound like your hunts will be fairly local so ammunition availability should not be an issue. I've never shot a deer with a 25-06 but have had equal success and experience with a 243 and a 270 and since the 25-06 falls between the two, there is no doubt in my mind that it will surely get the job done well. If it wasn't for these internet squabbles about this kind of stuff, there wouldn't be much use for the forums. These "discussions" are always filled with nit picking, extreme thought process, and some answers that seem to get those with thin skin's panties in a wad. As long as you are shooting what works for you, why on earth would anyone get bent out of shape over your choice????? Enjoy the new rifle.
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I've been waffling over this same issue for years. Since I always keep a .270 around I never can quite justify the purchase of a .25-06 in my mind. Still the temptation is always there and it may get the best of me someday.
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One more perspective, FWIW: I have both, like both, and have used both quite extensively on Texas deer. I can see no difference in performance between a 257, 120gr and a similarly constructed 277, 130gr bullet launched at about the same velocity.
I have a slight preference for the 25/06 because, at least in my 25/06, the recoil is just enough lighter that I can see the bullet impact and watch the deer's reaction to the shot.
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A buddy of mine here in Montana started handloading the 85-grain TSX bullets designed for the 6.8 SPC in his .270 Winchester, because he's so recoil sensitive. He says the same thing: Now he can watch the bullets hit the deer!
“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck
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i've got both... never could like the 270 but i've tried. love the quarter bores though! can't know why though just personal preference. Just the opposite of Paul. I'll take the 270. With the 90 gr Sierra HP it is a heck of varmint round and going up to the 160 Partition takes care of much bigger stuff.
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270. Just seems like an awful big case to shoot 100 grain pills. Don't see how that is better than the same case with 130 or 140 grain pill.
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270. Just seems like an awful big case to shoot 100 grain pills. Don't see how that is better than the same case with 130 or 140 grain pill. Yeha, that .270 is a heck of a lot bigger than the 25/06 for 100's... Dober
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Yep, putting light bullets in the .270 would probably offend the Gods of Gack.
Oddly, though, my friend who used the 85 TSX's from his .270 on several deer last fall liked the results just fine--even if the deer didn't.
“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck
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I just happen to know of a few lopes/deer that received flight 90 Sierra HP out of our .270's..they didn't likey it
Dober
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I'm thinking a 110gr TTSX in the .270 would be completely sick on deer and pronghorn.
What could be a sadder way to end a life than to die having never hunted with great dogs, good friends and your family?
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25-06's kick noticeably less than 270's.
They are such a pleasure to shoot well. No deer will ever tell the difference - but you will - get the 25-06.
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Jordan: No wonder we're in trouble...... I mean honestly does the cartridge just piss some people off or what!They can't invent enough ways to try to discredit it..... So they make stuff like that up..... Neck a 30/06 case to 270,they all fall asleep and the IQ declines to shoe size......but Man Alive you neck it to 25 caliber they fall into a swoon...can't stand upright without oxygen...! ....too entertaining.... It's the same reason that I refuse to shoot Partition bullets, and that some people dislike the .30-06! (now you're really hooked ) When people put blind faith in something simply because it's popular, I have a tough time getting excited about said item This discussion has absolutely NOTHING to do with the capability of the cartridges in question, but simply how people feel inside when they think about the names "thirty odd-six" and "two seventy". It just doesn't have the same new-kid-on-the-block effect or Ferrarri appeal as the "TWENTY FIVE ODD SIX!"... My FILs kinda like this. Way back when, he went to get a Remmy 740 or 742 or whatever in 270. When he got to the shop all they had was a 280 so he got it. Awhile later he changes to the Partition "after losing too many deer". And now, he HATES the 270 and he'll poke fun of others in camp for running one (as if there's a difference between the two on deer with 130s/140s.) And if you're not shooting Nosler Partitions, well, you just don't know anything about hunting/shooting. So he keeps on making 150 yard shots on our average size TX deer with his mighty 280 and 140 NPTs. I picked up a mtn rifle in 280 from a guy here at the fire last year. I like it but I mentioned I was thinking about rebarreling it to 25-06 and my FIL just kinda rolled his eyes and shook his head. So, I'm thinking about either rebarreling it, or getting a Kimber MT in 25-06, and running 100-117 Horns or SGKs just to piss him off.
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Combine the two and get a .257 weatherby mag
Oh, oh, oh... I have to choose between the two = .270
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Thanks Campfirers:
Imput was great and wife and I enjoyed the read.
Choice made, ordered, and received. (Great price and service from Hunters Outlet, Inc. in MN0 via Gun Brokers.)
The 25-06 won out.
Gun is a beauty, stainless, laminate stock, 24 in. barrel, and left handed.
Will mount scope as soon as it arives.
Will give next years report of harvest.
Thanks all who replied.
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BLRNut, As the old knight said, "You have chosen wisely!" You're really gonna love this cartridge! Potent, long reach, mild recoil, versatile. Have fun with it, buddy!
Exquisitely turdlike in all of his many manifestations!!
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BLRNut- fun figuring this stuff out isn't it? Congrats on your new rig. Hope it is a honey.
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Thanks Campfirers:
Imput was great and wife and I enjoyed the read.
Choice made, ordered, and received. (Great price and service from Hunters Outlet, Inc. in MN0 via Gun Brokers.)
The 25-06 won out.
Gun is a beauty, stainless, laminate stock, 24 in. barrel, and left handed.
Will mount scope as soon as it arives.
Will give next years report of harvest.
Thanks all who replied. You, sir have made a fine choice!
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The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Frankly, I think it's a cult thing. The .270 is so ingrained with the O'Connor cult, and has been ballyhoo'ed for so long, that there is no range of emotions concerning the .270 and O'Connor...you either hate both or you love both.
Except for the fact when I started using one about 27 years ago, I'd never heard of JOC. I used it because it's what my dad had in the cabinet and it flattened every deer I shot with it. I heard of JOC long after that and after the 270 had proven itself with me as a top notch cartridge on it's own merits.
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