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Like our friend Royce once said, "the only diff tween the 25/06 and the .270 is that the 25 took an extra week off at the gym"...
Dober
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I know Cactus Jack thought the .25/06 was a dandy seal and sea lion rifle. My how times have changed.
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Yepper, the only thing that would make it better is to see how many of the people had actually used both.... Dober Guilty!And I am sorta puzzled by the vision of deer running off willy nilly after taking a properly placed slug from either.....but must admit I am less than enamored by 25/06's,so ain't exactly objective on the subject either.....
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Yepper, the only thing that would make it better is to see how many of the people had actually used both.... Dober Dober...are you trying to tell me we should actually use this stuff before we voice an opinion and pontificate about it...? My post count is going to schitt now.....
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For what you use it for I would go 25-06.
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I held off from trying the .25-06 for years. I had used a friend's .25-06 to take one deer and helped clean a number he shot with the rifle and was definitely under-impressed. It killed well enough, but seemed to expand just a bit too much and thus lacked the penetration from all angles that I like.
What I wasn't thinking about was that he was using 100 grain bullets at maximum velosity.
Performance was much like that of the .270 using cup-and-core 130 grain bullets. It killed well (very well in fact), but sometimes didn't fully penetrate on angled shots or shots into the shoulders.....even on 125 pound whitetails. I had long since gone to 150 grain bullets in the .270 to obtain the performance I wanted.
I had used a .250-3000 for years and loved it. I always used 100 grain bullets as the heavier 120 grain slugs just didn't give enough velosity for flat trajectory.......so 100 grain bullets in the .25-06 seemed "right". Guess my brain just shut down for a while and I never thought about the larger case capasity of the .25-06......and so I ignored the .25-06 for years.
Then I obtained a nice Ruger 77 in .25-06 in a trade. I intended to trade it on something else, but decided to kill a few deer first. When I strted working up loads, lo and behold, the 120 grain loads weren't all that slow after all so I loaded up a batch.
What a difference!! With the heavier 120 grain bullet, the .25-06 became a killing machine and penetrated easily as well as the .270 with 150 grain bullets. In fact, the performance is almost identicle and I'd rate that loading as BETTER than the typical 130 grain loaded .270 for most uses.
If I was going to go after elk, I'd probably prefer a heavier rifle (just me....as it would work well), but for your use against deer (and smaller hogs even) the .25-06 will be near perfect as it shoots flat, penetrates well and does this with minimal recoil. If the .270 is the "perfect" sheep/mule deer rifle (and many consider it so) then the .25-06 is the "perfect" small deer rifle.
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I have 3 rifles chambered for .257 caliber cartridges and 3 rifles chambered for .277 caliber cartridges and as I grow older I am liking the .25's more and more. My .25's really shine with 100 & 120 grain Partitions.
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Both will work, ..., just not a big quarter bore fan, get the .270. ...but must admit I am less than enamored by 25/06's,so ain't exactly objective on the subject either..... I'm in this camp. Never had any attraction to quarter bore anythings, though occassionally I do think the little 250 Savage might be fun (but wouldn't have one as long as I have the 243/260/7mm-08 options in similar packages). Just me... I prefer the 270 enough to have actually just swapped a 25-06 barrel for a 270 barrel for an upcoming project. The new owner of the 25-06 barrel was happy, and I'll be happier with the 270, so everybody wins. And I am sorta puzzled by the vision of deer running off willy nilly after taking a properly placed slug from either.. So true. I'm always amazed at guys that will say that every deer they killed with a certain cartridge always fell over in it's tracks, while every deer they shot with a very similar cartridge runs off, with no blood trail, and they need GPS tracking to find them a mile away, so the one is clearly superior to the other, when both have long and proven records. That would pretty much be the case with these two.
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I hunt with a .270 Win, and I love it, it's a great, smooth firing gun. However, the 25-06 is also a good caliber. It's good for deer and also some smaller game, and even some bigger game. They are both great deer guns, and like everybody says, a 25-06 is a .270 that missed a week of workout, and it'll save your shoulder a bit. I know this really doesn't help you a whole lot, but this is my view on both guns.
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Either choice would make little difference to a properly punched deer, but I vote for the 25-06 just because I purely love the 25s. Too bad you limited it to just one of the 25s, though... there ARE other good choices.
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One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that the 270 is usually available in a lighter rifle, and it gets along with a 22" barrel better. I've owned both for years,also a 25 WSM, a Roberts, and a 270-308 and could never see any difference in the effect of any of them, even with longer shots.
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Tikka T3 with 22.5" barrel in .25-06 is light enough and does pretty well with a "short" barrel- 3312fps average with 100gr bullets
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So true. I'm always amazed at guys that will say that every deer they killed with a certain cartridge always fell over in it's tracks, while every deer they shot with a very similar cartridge runs off, with no blood trail, and they need GPS tracking to find them a mile away, so the one is clearly superior to the other, when both have long and proven records. That would pretty much be the case with these two.
Sometimes I think the differences we perceive between cartridges is really "bullets";and while I never had any difficultes with either the 257 Roberts(which I ran giving velocities within 100-150 fps of the 25/06 with anything from 100-120 gr)the 25/06, or the 270,what I did notice is that 270 bullets just tended to be more ruggedly constructed, expanded to wider fontal areas, and in general penetrated deeper. After watching a 117 gr Sierra from a 25/06 fail to get very far on a long angling shot on a big mule deer,in fact coming completely unglued after about 6-7" of penetration,where I knew a 130 270 would have made it into the chest;and seeing the best 25 bullet we had back then,the 120 Partition, ground up pretty badly on a couple of other bucks, it was apparent to me that it lacked the punch of the 270,and would not penetrate as well even with things like the 130 gr Speer from the 270,which would pretty reliably make very nasty exit holes from reasonable angles.We won't mention what you get from other stuff like a 130 Bitterroot,Swift Aframe, Barnes, and stuff like that in the 270. I watched a pal drive a 130 gr Partition from a 270 almost end to end on a big Colorado buck at about 300 yards and send him cascading down slope....I never saw a 25 caliber come close with the bullets available back then, Over the years and having observed plenty of results I just relegated the 25's to the status of fun guns,and while I love them,the 270 just struck me as a better mouse trap on the big northern deer I mostly chased around.It just tossed more flack,made bigger wounds,penetrated better......and I could only carry one rifle at a time..... I know the playing field has changed a bit with todays more modern bullets, but the same advantage accrues to the 270 as well... If I get a hankering to shoot 25 caliber-weight bullets because normal 270 recoil causes me to get light-headed, I can drop back today to the 110 TTSX,drive them 3200-3300 fps,and likely outdo anything the 25's will provide with more frontal area to boot. I still love the Roberts best of all 25's
Last edited by BobinNH; 04/13/11.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Sounds like somebody needs to send ol' Bob some 100gr TSX/TTSX's so he can see just what the .25's are capable of I've seen that bullet penetrate stem to stern on our large-bodied AB deer, when started out at about 3300fps, and I've never yet recovered one Animals tend to fall on their legs when hit, too. I've had a couple animals run a few feet, but that's the exception, not the rule. Did I mention that I like to hit bone?
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The first WT I ever shot with the 25/06 was with a Sierra 117 gr. Spitzer and that was the crappiest job I have ever had a bullet do on a deer. I immediately stopped loading them and tried a 120 gr. Core-lokt and shot quite a few WT's before I had one take a step after I shot it. So if the 117 didn't perform well on the WT I would never expect it to on a Mulie. IMO they are too thin walled to hold together and penetrate as they should. But I also will tell you I am no expert. I just know my experiences.
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I don't mind the recoil on my 270 at all,its that hellacius muzzle blast.How does the 25-06 weigh in on that score
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Less hellacius
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Sounds like somebody needs to send ol' Bob some 100gr TSX/TTSX's so he can see just what the .25's are capable of Jordan, Did you shoot your moose eerrr whitetail last fall with your 25 cal?
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Congratulations to you both on your 50th anniversary.
One of my sons kills deer with a .270 and another kills them with a 25-06 so I stepped up a notch and built a 6.5X55.
Jim
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Sounds like somebody needs to send ol' Bob some 100gr TSX/TTSX's so he can see just what the .25's are capable of Jordan, Did you shoot your moose eerrr whitetail last fall with your 25 cal? Hey Scott, Which one??? I shot a couple whitetails last fall, but the big one (as well as a smaller one) was shot with the .280 and a 130gr GS Custom HV. I got my MD buck with the .25-06 and 100gr TTSX.
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