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FreeMe: Good post, you hit the nail on the head.
Have a good 4th of July.

And he has likely never exaggerated either.

No, I just live in one where people tend to get the big eye on things, spin yarns, and bullshit themselves into believing fairy tales and urban legends. That's called the real world.

Nope. A 1,000 rounds a week for practice is normal if one wants to at least show (3rd place) in a meet.

I you paid Rob Leathman to sponsor Rock Island, I have no doubt he wouldn't miss a beat with a tuned
Filipino or Croatian pistol.

On the other hand you can put a $3k tuned pistol in most folks hands, including mine, and you would still have to practice.

Its the man not the pistol most of the time.

if the ria is junk you many rounds should it fire before it breaks.

Send me some money to buy one and I'll get back to you.

Me thinks it is you that should be buying the RIA.

That's OK. You just have to admit your faults, and since you seem to be unable to buy an RIA, your poverty is only your fault. That's OK, stick to your textbooks and remain impoverished. It will only be through fault of your own.

Biker

I'd rather piss away someone else's money on something like that than mine.

You must not have seen my question on the other post. I asked just what is the proper hardness for a 1911. I do not know thew answer and am really interested. I think Ruger started out in the single actions using half hard 4140, somewhere around 46RC. I can see where the 1911 bight want to be a little harder but I have not studied the topic and would like to know. I can have mine tested and see if it fits within the desired tolerance. Not trying to be a smart ass, really want to know.

As would I. I'd like to see a comparison of the major brands; Colt, Kimber, Springfield INC., etc.

Again, my question to you Sir or anyone else in the know is just what is the ideal hardness of a 1911? At what point does the hardness at the cost of lessened elasticity and thus brittleness become an issue.

I can't answer that question, Scott - but as I understand it, some 1911's (RIA included) are "spot-hardened" so the entire frame does not have the same hardness. It is only hardened where needed. Someone other than me can get into the drawbacks/benefits of that process.

figured as an expert you would know how many shots the weaker material can handle!!!!

How weak is the metal compared to the springfield or colt etc....???

As far as the ria having weaker material nobody is arguing with you on that And the fact there is better options for the same money.

My "expert" opinion does not come for free.

Some of this is really too funny.

RIA has had a very few instances of sub-standard heat treat on some components leading to a few isolated incidents of peening(all of which BTW were warranty replaced/repaired). To equate that with all RIA 1911's being made of "soft" material is quite a leap, especially with the evidence out there of people with access to the proper measuring equipment checking the hardness of slides and frames. The results were right in line with published specs from companies like Caspian.

If you look at the anecdotal evidence around the net(which your "expert" opinion qualifies as a part of), you'll find the overwhelming majority of Rock Island owners, or even people who have handled one, to be very positive in their comments. No, they won't win alot of beauty contest compared to pistols that cost twice as much, but they work, and if they don't, Armscorp will fix them, simple as that.

Why someone who doesn't like a particular thing has to run around bashing on it is beyond me.

Me to.

You mean like the bullshit you just posted?

Name a well-known gunsmith who will warranty any builds on a RIA. And by well-known, I don't mean your cousin down at Billy Bob's Lawn Mower Repair, Bait, & Gunz.

Why on earth would someone buy a 1911 just to have to spend more money on a gunsmith rebuild anyway?

Maybe I am missing something here but hasn't the 1911 been doing a great job of erasing bad guys for a hundred years without have every one of them sent out for rebuild?

And why do you have to send one to a big named gunsmith? Is everyone too stupid of lazy to do good work yourself?

Aren't there people out there who just want a reliable carry handgun for everyday use?

Why on Earth would anyone buy something that required a lot of work? Like a RIA.