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There is nothing at all wrong with the 338 with good 250 gr bullets. I used that exact combo to kill a 7 1/2 foot interior Grizz in the Talkeetnas. It took several hits and slid down the frozen slope. No bullet trumps good shooting. Love that hide photo Phil! What did that toad square? Here is my Kodiak. 10ft 1 square. Always love your input Phil. Few folks can discuss the big bears of Alaska with the level of knowledge that you posess.
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Well that settles the Partition argument. Didn't even get to the popcorn!
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If only that had been a 210 TSX....... I know a few Kodiak guides who hate the TSX and other Barnes X bullets as they have seen bears get away after being shot with them and the hunter claims he "hit them perfectly" Pard loves that bullet (XLC version) in his 340 Wby. Might just be the difference that .002" makes over the .338 though.
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Just to prove that the first liar doesn't have a chance - here is another one you can attribute to a 30 caliber Partition. After a client had wounded it, with a 180 partiton from his 300 Wby, I had to wrinkle it out of the pucker brush with my 30-06 using 220 Partitions.
Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master Guide, Alaska Hunter Ed Instructor FAA Master pilot www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.comAnyone who claims the 30-06 is not effective has either not used one, or else is unwittingly commenting on their marksmanship.
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That's a big bear Phil. Wow!
I almost took my JC Higgins and 150 TSX bullets up to Nome for my last hunt but figured stunts and foolishness weren't in order. Based upon the penetration I've seen with the TSX its not the worse choice available.
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Mine began life as a J.C. Higgens and worked well until I wore out the barrel. A familiar 30-06 with good bullets is seldom a bad choice.
Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master Guide, Alaska Hunter Ed Instructor FAA Master pilot www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.comAnyone who claims the 30-06 is not effective has either not used one, or else is unwittingly commenting on their marksmanship.
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One 6-point bull was shot at 75 yards quartering toward me, right in the big shoulder joint. The bullet went through the joint and the important plumbing behind it, then exited toward the rear of the rib cage.
Now that's some good bullet work! Dober
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One thing to keep in mind with NPTs is they are not all built the same... A 200gr 30 caliber is quite a bit thicker-walled than the 180... and in the 375 the differences are very big.
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Personally I consider the Nosler partition a premium bullet and, when considering performance on all game, still one of the best of the best. This bear was one of the largest bodied bruins that any of my clients have taken in thirty years. A single 200 gr Nosler Partition from the hunters 300 mag. stopped it within 30 yards. It is hanging on a twelve foot ladder Phil You had to go and waste a trump card while I was still getting tugs on the chain I was pulling! I have still recovered too many to like them "for the money", but I have never said they were a bad bullet. art Laffin'.
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Killed my first Grizzly with a 180 gr Core-Lokt out of a 300 Weatherby. One shot, dead bear. Not what I would recommend, but not saying it wouldn't work either because it did for me.
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Lol... it just cracked me up to see Art do his "Partitions aren't a premium" song and dance, but then pretend it was a joke when Mr. Shoemaker opined otherwise. Carry on. I'm done laffin'.
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The truth is, there are very few bad bullets out there. Unfortunately, just as with cars, trucks, make-up, and guns, the people who mis-use them don't fall into nearly as small a category in their negligence.
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Mine began life as a J.C. Higgens and worked well until I wore out the barrel. A familiar 30-06 with good bullets is seldom a bad choice. Phil, how many bears have you killed with a 30/06?
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Phil, how many bears have you killed with a 30/06?
Not many, as my job is finding and helping other folks shoot them, and for the past twenty-five years I have primarily carried my 458 for peninsula brown bears. But if you include grizzlies I have probably killed 7 or 8 with my 30-06.
Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master Guide, Alaska Hunter Ed Instructor FAA Master pilot www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.comAnyone who claims the 30-06 is not effective has either not used one, or else is unwittingly commenting on their marksmanship.
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Taking on a new species is always justification for a new rifle. Just ask my wife. Yes, the 6mm Rem was great for whitetail, but one needs the reach of a 257 Weatherby for mule deer. I'd suggest you get a 240 Weatherby. I'd still use the 300 on the bear and moose, but a 240 would just be nice to have.
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Personally I consider the Nosler partition a premium bullet and, when considering performance on all game, still one of the best of the best. This bear was one of the largest bodied bruins that any of my clients have taken in thirty years. A single 200 gr Nosler Partition from the hunters 300 mag. stopped it within 30 yards. It is hanging on a twelve foot ladder Phil, would you happen to have a field photo of that monster? At one time I was possesed by giant brown bears. Still one of the world's greatest game animals in my opinion. 11 foot plus? The mind simply reels.
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Here is the only field photo I have of that bear and I have to make a correction as that one was not the one killed with the 300 Wby and a 180 Partition. This one was taken with a 375 Ruger. Believe it or not the one with the Wby was a couple hundred pounds larger but was taken earlier and those photos are on slides, rather than digital. I do now have the ability to digitize my slides and plan on doing so this winter
Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master Guide, Alaska Hunter Ed Instructor FAA Master pilot www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.comAnyone who claims the 30-06 is not effective has either not used one, or else is unwittingly commenting on their marksmanship.
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