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This has probably been asked before, I just forget. Picked up a bunch of small primered .45acp brass at the range today, too many to just ignore and leave[128!]. Now, can these be loaded with the same charges I'm using now? Currently the two loads are:
200gr XTP's and 4.1gr Clays
230gr LRN and 3.8 Clays
And sometimes 230gr fmj and 5.6gr Universal
I know, three loads, opps.

Yep, the primers won't make any difference AFAIK. I have loaded them with the same data as my LP ones and noticed no difference.

I was wondering the same thing as I bought some CCI Blazer Brass loads after shooting deprimed them and found out they are small pistol primers.

Well, I'm going with T LEE here; I think I take what he says is true. But, I'm still listening shooters. I do like opinions.

It works the same for me. I have picked up almost 400 that others do not want to mess with.

Are the small primer loads reliable in cold weather? I read somewhere about experiments with small primers in some cartridges causing hang-fires.

I have made extensive tests with the .45 ACP revolver and found the LP primer will move bullets out before good ignition.
The SP brass cut groups by 2/3's and was even better in the 1911. Do some testing and you might like the SP brass.

The same holds true with the .44 mag and .45 Colt, LP mag primers are not as good as standard primers. Even Federal is loading mag loads with the 150 primer.
I do not go to the LP mag until the .475 and up.

Powder ignites in milliseconds, how can one determine that the bullet moves out before ignition? To violent of ignition for the case capacity effectively speeds up the burn rate and can cause poor groups

I have shot some nice groups with large pistol primers in the 45 ACP

Not sure what you mean by "good". According to my chronograph, mag primers greatly reduce the Extreme Spread when using H110, W296, Enforcer and LilGun in 44 mag. I take the lower ES to mean that ignition and combustion are more consistent.

+1, me too

I can list 100 things as to why ES and SD is bad in a revolver.
I have been testing the primers in the .44 since the early 70's and used standard primers with 296 for IHMSA, won Ohio state with 79 out of 80. All of my hunting has been with standard primers. Any weather. The chrono never gets used for working loads, it is useless.
These are average groups with my old SBH that is close to 62,000 rounds. 50 yards and I shot the can at 100. Hit the rail so I aimed higher for the last shot.

Here is a group at 200 yards while doing a drop test. Different boolit.
Then the .45 Colt Vaquero at 50 yards.

There is no way I ever did this with a mag primer.

This is one of thousands of primer tests with the .44.
This was done at -10* with a lot of wind. The standard still did better.

Here is one of many tests with a .45 ACP revolver, LP and SP primers. I don't do this for fun. I do it for knowledge.

ES and Sd are now meaningless??? Only in WV!!!

While I am impressed with your shooting skills, I'm not so impressed with some of your statements on ES and SD. Yes, at the short ranges of handguns, velocity variations don't mean much.

You can always find certain sweet spot loadings with H110/296 that will work fine with standard primers (I have no idea what your loading specifics are since you don't post them). But magnum primers enable a wide range of loadings without the worry of a stuck bullet or flintlock-like ignition.

I believe my chronograph. It tells me plainly that ignition and combustion are much more consistent shot to shot with mag primers. I don't see "minute-of-can" accuracy being much of a challenge for the ammunition at 100yds - shooter yes, ammo no.

dla, whitworth test a lot of factory loads (handgun round) that shoot extremely well at bfr's place. Some ofthose loads use LR primers. The LR primer is has a much greater force of ignition than a magnum pistol primer and yet he ignores any and all evidence that doesn't agree with his opinion

He is wrong in so many ways

I shot and hit these 2 12 guage shotgun hulls at 50 yards with Winnchester white box loads purchase at Wal Mart.





I did that with the iron sights, you either use an Ultra Dot or a scope

I have and I will continue to use Mag pistol primers with H-110/296 despite you rants

I have to ask where my pictures went, none came up.

I need to try pictures again.
Nope, photobucket changed something.

You have no idea what primers are use. Most large calibers like the .475 use LP mag primers and they are needed.
Some .500 S&W brass was cut for a LP mag primer and others cut for a LR primer. Did you know guns have been blown up when LR primers were used in LP brass because a proud primer can fire against the frame.
But you said it right---FORCE! Force not needed, heat is needed.
You have not proven a single time what you say.