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It all comes down to the platform. I only have experience with the 10. Have killed a black bear and a large mountain lion with mine. Out of curiosity, what load, where did you hit, and what was the penetration?
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I do recall a fellow on another forum, dropped his large cougar using a Tracker 4" w/170 JHP Sierra's, mid range load around 1150-1200 mv IIRC.
Good info above guys. Bob, appreciate the twist comment also.
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I have killed 2 hogs, a med sized 150 pounds deer, a couple large dogs and a few smaller critters with my glock in 10mm with a 6 inch ported barrel,,, that being said were I carrying a handgun just for hunting I'd go with a 41 or 44 mag, Passthroughs are rare it seems on hogs and deer with the 10mm if you hit a shoulder, on ribs they zip through, shot one hog in the shoulder and the ribs, 150 pound pig and the rib shot exited after hitting no ribs and the shoulder shot stuck on the inside of the off shoulder, pig died. Deer shot the 1st round hit behind the shoulder and lodged in the front of the chest, 2nd shot hit behind the ribs going away and disapeared in the gutpile,,,2nd pig died of a 10mm migrane and flopped right there. All shots taken with a factory winchester silvertip load, my carry load
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I handload for my 10mm & I'm getting 1300fps with the Hornady 200gr XTP bullet. It's basically a max load using AA9 powder. Holly crap thats kicking butt,,,
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just out of curiousity went back and looked at some of my notes. out of a buckeye shooter blackhawk in 10mm: with 200 grain xtp And AA#9 1.1318 2.1302 3.1305 4.1290 5.1301 6.1295fps out of a redhawk .41magnum with a 215 grain bullet 1.1289 2.1381 3.1173 4.1285 5.1277 6.1242 fps different powder in the redhawk, and cast bullet I got to thinking about this a little more, and i would summarize it this way. With the .41, you can use much heavier bullets than the 10mm. With the 10mm, you can go down to 135 grain, but i haven't seen any 250 grain like with the .41mag. And the 10mm casing is just more efficient. I thought i might add to the above for references sake: this with a glock 20 10mm with hornady 180gr xtp and AA#7 first column is with a 6inch KKM barrel and the second column with a standard glock barrel 1. 1268 1167 2. 1265 1188 3. 1291 1198 4. 1263 1173 5. 1277 1178 feet per second on chrony with a hornady 200gr xtp the first column a kkm regular barrel on a glock 20, the second a six inch length kkm barrel on a glock 20 using AA#9 1.1212 1298 2.1211 1285 3.1218 1266 4.1213 1283 5.1224 1265feet per second
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I do recall a fellow on another forum, dropped his large cougar using a Tracker 4" w/170 JHP Sierra's, mid range load around 1150-1200 mv IIRC.
Good info above guys. Bob, appreciate the twist comment also. I emailed with that guy who killed the cougar with the Tracker as I also have one of them and was interested in his load... It was pretty light and the bullet didn't hardly expand at all. Most shooters don't realize that the Sierra HPs are made for hunting...as in high velocity impacts. The 170 .41s and 180 .44s don't "blow up" on impact as many think. I hit a deer in the chest coming almost straight on at 30' with a 180 .44 coming out of a 7.5" Redhawk. Velocity was 1700+- fps. Turned the heart to Jello and broke two ribs on the way out...a good 18" of penetration. Gary Reeder has used the 170 .41 in his .41 GNR (.44 Mag. necked down to .41) to take elk. Bob
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You are correct the Sierra bullets are deigned to pentrate and expansion is minimal. I like there bullets. The 170 in the 41 mag at 1500+ FPS is a very effective deer and anti personel bullet in experience and opinion
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It all comes down to the platform. I only have experience with the 10. Have killed a black bear and a large mountain lion with mine. Out of curiosity, what load, where did you hit, and what was the penetration? Hahaha.. you are silly. Seriously, it is a matter of experienced in a particular gun.
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Seriously, it is a matter of experienced in a particular gun. Wow! I had no idea that simple experience could affect how deeply an XTP or hardcast would penetrate into bone and muscle. Until your post, I just thought it was simple physics! Thanks internet, for clearing up that misconception.
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You are correct the Sierra bullets are deigned to pentrate and expansion is minimal. I like there bullets. The 170 in the 41 mag at 1500+ FPS is a very effective deer and anti personel bullet in experience and opinion
Not to hijack JWP, but I agree on the Sierras, 300 gn Sierras from an old 44 mag of mine penetrate like a danged solid, damn tough bullet. Guner
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reference the sierra 170grain JHC bullet in the .41 mag, hodgdens online is showing two max loads at 1887fps with different powders. I haven't done that yet. I remember reading somewhere where a guy would buy those old cast iron skillets to shoot with that load just to watch them fly apart. Got to try that some time. I do have some 10mm loads with a 135grain nosler that i haven't run through the chrony yet that should be quite speedy.
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The .41 Magnum does not run it's best with AA#9. That's why those velocities are so close. E
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H110/Win. 296 will run 170s to it's highest velocities with lowest pressures. I am also wondering about AA1680..also a ball powder that is just a little slower than H110. From a 20" carbine barrel the 170 will run 2100 fps with 26 grains of H110.... Will have to look at my notes to see what they were doing from handguns...
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Yeah, burned mostly 110 but a good bit of 296 as both were standby's in jacketed hi vel loads in 357/41/44s.
I do know the Fed 180/44 load spec'd at 1800, ran 1910 in a 10" contender I had back in college, on a chrony. Man that would get to 100 yd rams in a hurry!
Bob, no doubt, the 170 load that guy shot the cougar w/were on the very mild side, but goes to show you ...shot placement wins nearly every time...so long as you take out vitals, and he must have...nice cat I recall. Heck, even Stoney...SLG888 shot a big cat w/a 9, and it died...not sure he even knew what bullets, he finally hit it on the last shot IIRC, in his hi cap mag...no more bullets - all back at the truck!
I used to think my bulk 210 JSP RP bullets were GTG on deer and maybe black bear but heard since, some say they are rather 'soft'....that said, I have ALOT of XTPs....figure they may be tougher if I need something more for 'larger than deer' sized game.
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Yea, as along as you put the round where it belongs, a .22 will take out most anything. If you look in the new Speer #14 Manual there is a picture of a guy with a big Kat using the 200 Speer JHP...that is a great penetration and hole cutter. Like a jacketed Keith bullet. This guys cougar was a BIG one also... Don't think you are wrong about the 210 RSP being a very decent bullet. I know lots of people who have killed all manner of game with them. One of the guys over on the S&W Forums killed I think 23 deer in Alaska with his model 57 using the factory load... If you want a bullet that will expand at all velocities use a 210 Speer Gold Dot HP... 950-1250-1400 fps... And being a plated bullet it will never come apart. I fired one out of a .405 Winchester and hit a 2.5 gallon water jug...the bullet turned completely inside out but held together...don't know what I was thinking as the bullet was sitting there next to the jug, I looked at it and then threw it up on the bank... Bob
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Searched for that guy who shot the Cat...
Dick Metcalf Categories: Handguns
At the top of the Taurus Titanium Tracker lineup is a five-shot, four-inch .41 Mag. Model 425 Titanium Tracker in Shadow Gray finish. (Taurus also offers a same-scale seven-shot titanium .357 Mag. Model M627TT with four-inch or 6.5-inch barrel, and the four-inch Model 460 in .45 Colt.)
All Titanium Tracker models have titanium frames, sideplates, yokes and barrels that are drop-forged in Taurus's facility in Brazil. The titanium cylinders and titanium internal studs are CNC-machined from extruded bar stock. Since titanium is less than two-thirds the weight of an equivalent volume of steel, an all-titanium revolver actually weighs less than a same-size aluminum-frame/steel-cylinder revolver. The .41 Mag. Titanium Tracker weighs exactly 24 ounces--nearly a pound lighter than a Taurus Model 66SS .357 Mag.
As for durability, titanium comes as close to being indestructible as any manufactured material can be. Even the best stainless steel will eventually rust or corrode. Titanium will not.
The Tracker grips are the patented Taurus Ribber design, which I discussed in some detail in the September "Tech Corner." This grip, combined with the Tracker's integrally ported four-inch full-lug barrel, makes the gun genuinely comfortable to fire, even with full-power .41 Mag. ammunition. As an exercise, I've rapped five rapid-fire rounds of Winchester 240-grain Platinum Tips out of the gun just as fast as I could pull the trigger, and the ported barrel's quick recovery keeps them all in a 12-inch circle on a seven-yard target--which is as close as I'm inclined to let a mama bear get.
When you get right down to it, any of these new tools make pretty good primary handgun hunting tools, as well. I carried my Taurus .41 Mag. Tracker stuck in the cargo pocket of my Carharts up and down the Utah canyons for three days in two feet of snow a couple of winters ago, chasing cougars, and I never even had to think about it being there--until I pulled it out to drop a treed cat with a single shot.
On a belt in a nylon-fabric holster and loaded with aluminum-case CCI Blazer ammo, you'll literally have to touch it to remind yourself it's there. Pick whichever brand or model suits your fancy: These new lightweight, heavy-hitting belt guns leave no serious hunter with any excuse for not packing the security of a backup sidearm.
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reference the sierra 170grain JHC bullet in the .41 mag, hodgdens online is showing two max loads at 1887fps with different powders. I haven't done that yet. I remember reading somewhere where a guy would buy those old cast iron skillets to shoot with that load just to watch them fly apart. Got to try that some time. I do have some 10mm loads with a 135grain nosler that i haven't run through the chrony yet that should be quite speedy. two powders i was refering to was 110 and 296
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i am not sure that i like the idea of taurus porting the barrel of that revolver. I saw a 57 last year that somebody had done this to. Maybe it's just me.
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The ports work fine...can't really tell the difference between a ported 4" and a non-ported 4" except on an indoor range where one can see the flash come out the ports. They do however noticeably reduce muzzle climb. In shooting a Model 58 with ports vs a 58 without the recovery time with the ported gun is less.
I have three Taurus .41s, two 4" and a 6", a 3" 657, 4" 58 with Quad-Ports, Freedom Arms 6" and a 60-10 .357 Magnum all ported and they are some of my favorite shooters...YMMV
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