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#5672069 - 10/02/11 Re: VERY Disappointing 444 [Re: blanket]
curdog4570 Offline
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Registered: 02/18/01
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Keith and Russ;When y'all stumbled onto this internet "thang",years ago,did your thinking go in this direction:

"I'll bet all these guys posting this stuff about what they've done or things they've seen are lyin' like Hell 'cause they know they can't get caught at it,bein' away off over yonder somewhere where nobody can ever find 'em.I know they ain't lyin' to make money or to try and beat a rap of some kind,but I'll bet they're lyin' anyhow.They're lyin' just to make it look like they're smarter and got more money than me."

NO?

Mine didn't either.

grin
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#5672271 - 10/02/11 Re: VERY Disappointing 444 [Re: curdog4570]
blanket Offline
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Registered: 08/05/09
Posts: 2575
Loc: SE, Iowa
I think a computer has a more powerful effect than alcohol on some people in that it brings out the idiot and azzhole faster

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#5672334 - 10/02/11 Re: VERY Disappointing 444 [Re: blanket]
the_shootist Offline
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Registered: 05/21/03
Posts: 19004
Loc: NW Ontario, Canada
When I was a drinking man, I thought a little libation made my debating skills sharper, my appeal to the opposite sex irresistable, and my somewhat plain looks, dashing, as well as my knowledge on all matters irrefutable.

Seems Bill Gates has done the same for a lot of tenderfoots. grin

It wasn't so for the liquor, and it ain't so for a microprocessor.

O, and I been lied to by the best in the criminal world, and most of what goes on here can't hold a patch to it. wink


Edited by the_shootist (10/02/11)
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#5672563 - 10/02/11 Re: VERY Disappointing 444 [Re: the_shootist]
curdog4570 Offline
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Registered: 02/18/01
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Loc: North texas usa
A drunk will- at some point- pass out or get locked up.

Gates woulda done a better service to mankind had he incorporated a similar "limiting device" for intruders into the cyber world.
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#5672967 - 10/02/11 Re: VERY Disappointing 444 [Re: curdog4570]
mogwai Offline
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Most who shoot cast in a marlin 444 find that .432 size works best and that .429 will offer turrible results. What size are your cast boolits?

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#5673095 - 10/02/11 Re: VERY Disappointing 444 [Re: curdog4570]
Swampman700 Offline
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Registered: 11/14/08
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Originally Posted By: curdog4570
My "Plan B" with the H110 and 240 gr. cast didn't work either.

I'm going to switch bases , rings and scope from my 1895 and buy another box of factory cartridges and start all over.

I originally put an old Redfield widefield 4X on this rifle and zeroed with Factory 240's.The old scope was pretty dim and I knew I was going to replace it so I never actually shot it for a group.

I bought a Vari X 2 from SWFA and tried zeroing again.It became obvious that the vertical adjustment wasn't responding right , so I sent it back to the factory for repair.Again, I never got a decent idea opf a group size.

I swapped the Vari X 2 for a M8 4X and that's what I've been using.There is no discernible movement in the bases or rings , but I'm gonna start all over with something I KNOW is OK.

If that don't work , it will be for trade for sure.

I've got a 244 AI with a Shilen barrel that won't shoot a 6 in group with 100 gr bullets , but outshoots me with 70 gr bt's.


Troll!
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#5673103 - 10/02/11 Re: VERY Disappointing 444 [Re: Swampman700]
Dirtfarmer Offline
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Registered: 11/28/10
Posts: 13765
Loc: Central Louisiana
Originally Posted By: Swampman700
Originally Posted By: curdog4570
My "Plan B" with the H110 and 240 gr. cast didn't work either.

I'm going to switch bases , rings and scope from my 1895 and buy another box of factory cartridges and start all over.

I originally put an old Redfield widefield 4X on this rifle and zeroed with Factory 240's.The old scope was pretty dim and I knew I was going to replace it so I never actually shot it for a group.

I bought a Vari X 2 from SWFA and tried zeroing again.It became obvious that the vertical adjustment wasn't responding right , so I sent it back to the factory for repair.Again, I never got a decent idea opf a group size.

I swapped the Vari X 2 for a M8 4X and that's what I've been using.There is no discernible movement in the bases or rings , but I'm gonna start all over with something I KNOW is OK.

If that don't work , it will be for trade for sure.

I've got a 244 AI with a Shilen barrel that won't shoot a 6 in group with 100 gr bullets , but outshoots me with 70 gr bt's.


Troll!


Now, ain't that a case of the pot and the kettle. Swampy calling someone a Troll. crazy

DF

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#5673301 - 10/02/11 Re: VERY Disappointing 444 [Re: Dirtfarmer]
rahtreelimbs Offline
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Loc: The Burgh !!!
Originally Posted By: Dirtfarmer
Originally Posted By: Swampman700
Originally Posted By: curdog4570
My "Plan B" with the H110 and 240 gr. cast didn't work either.

I'm going to switch bases , rings and scope from my 1895 and buy another box of factory cartridges and start all over.

I originally put an old Redfield widefield 4X on this rifle and zeroed with Factory 240's.The old scope was pretty dim and I knew I was going to replace it so I never actually shot it for a group.

I bought a Vari X 2 from SWFA and tried zeroing again.It became obvious that the vertical adjustment wasn't responding right , so I sent it back to the factory for repair.Again, I never got a decent idea opf a group size.

I swapped the Vari X 2 for a M8 4X and that's what I've been using.There is no discernible movement in the bases or rings , but I'm gonna start all over with something I KNOW is OK.

If that don't work , it will be for trade for sure.

I've got a 244 AI with a Shilen barrel that won't shoot a 6 in group with 100 gr bullets , but outshoots me with 70 gr bt's.


Troll!


Now, ain't that a case of the pot and the kettle. Swampy calling someone a Troll. crazy

DF



Amen to that!!!
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#5673450 - 10/02/11 Re: VERY Disappointing 444 [Re: mogwai]
curdog4570 Offline
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Registered: 02/18/01
Posts: 15936
Loc: North texas usa
Originally Posted By: mogwai
Most who shoot cast in a marlin 444 find that .432 size works best and that .429 will offer turrible results. What size are your cast boolits?


The 320 fr. Cast Performance are .432.

The 240 gr.Kead are .43005 .

I put the base , rings , and 1X4 luepold from 45 70 on this rifle , went to town and got another box of the Rem 240 gr. jacketed bullets and just got thru zeroing it at 80 yards off my portable bench.

I was shooting pairs and "walking" it into the bull and it was putting the pairs within an inch of each other , so it appears the barrel is OK as far as jacketed bullets are concerned.

I mounted the original scope with stuff I had laying around , and I suspect the base may have been moving slightly as I could only get one screw in the rear mounting holes.The setup I have on now is one my 'smith installed when he cut the barrel off and recrowned my 1895.

I'm obliged for all the suggestions.

I wonder how many Campfire members the swamprabbit has hunted with? Is that something "trolls" do?

I don't know much about this internet deal , but I was at this campfire when the kindling was still burning.
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#5673571 - 10/02/11 Re: VERY Disappointing 444 [Re: curdog4570]
Dirtfarmer Offline
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Registered: 11/28/10
Posts: 13765
Loc: Central Louisiana
Originally Posted By: curdog4570
[quote=mogwai]

I wonder how many Campfire members the swamprabbit has hunted with? Is that something "trolls" do?



I think Swampy marches to his own drumbeat. I posted earlier of the lady watching a military parade who was heard to say, "Look at my boy Johnny. He's the only one in step." Swampy reminds me of Johnny. And not only is he out of step, I suspect he's the only one hearing the music.

He's rigidly narrow in his outlook and isn't going to be changed by any factual input. In fact, input isn't his game, just output.

So, to answer your question, to my knowledge, not many. At least they're not speaking up. Either they aren't out there or they are too ashamed to stand up and be counted.

And, yes, that's what Trolls do. They bait and antagonize their prey. Most are onto Swampy and just throw him a bone now and then. I don't see too many taking his proclamations seriously. I know I don't.

DF

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#5673630 - 10/02/11 Re: VERY Disappointing 444 [Re: Dirtfarmer]
Swampman700 Offline
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Registered: 11/14/08
Posts: 11207
I would welcome some factual imput....if there were any. I'm rigidly narrow in my outlook because I'm right.

A truck window is no place to shoot from and likely it isn't legal to hunt from. The guy's an idgit.
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#5674363 - 10/03/11 Re: VERY Disappointing 444 [Re: Swampman700]
Dirtfarmer Offline
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Registered: 11/28/10
Posts: 13765
Loc: Central Louisiana
Originally Posted By: Swampman700
The guy's an idgit.


They all are, Swampy.

They all are, no doubt, just 'cause you said.

You da man. smirk

DF

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#5674597 - 10/03/11 Re: VERY Disappointing 444 [Re: Dirtfarmer]
Patrick_James Offline
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Registered: 01/16/05
Posts: 1305
Loc: out west
Swampytroll, why don't you get lost. I was waiting to see how long it will be 'till your Ruger #3 45/70 is a piece of shitt because it key holed on one of your reloads or you tried 20 grains of bullseye as a reduced load.( Don't try it)

By the way guys, Swamptroll joined the Ruger forum.
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#5675273 - 10/03/11 Re: VERY Disappointing 444 [Re: Patrick_James]
Dirtfarmer Offline
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Registered: 11/28/10
Posts: 13765
Loc: Central Louisiana
Originally Posted By: Patrick_James


By the way guys, Swamptroll joined the Ruger forum.


Lucky them. frown

DF

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#5675349 - 10/03/11 Re: VERY Disappointing 444 [Re: Swampman700]
Dirtfarmer Offline
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Registered: 11/28/10
Posts: 13765
Loc: Central Louisiana
Originally Posted By: Swampman700


A truck window is no place to shoot from and likely it isn't legal to hunt from. The guy's an idgit.


What about shooting from a golf cart...?

DF

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#5675400 - 10/03/11 Re: VERY Disappointing 444 [Re: Dirtfarmer]
curdog4570 Offline
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Registered: 02/18/01
Posts: 15936
Loc: North texas usa
I put the son of a bitch on "ignore" but I still get treated to all his posts by way of the quote button.That's OK,though,since I don't have to respond directly to him.

Of course you can establish a VERY stable shooting position from under the steering wheel,especially now that they lock when you kill the engine.And it's legal to shoot from them on private land, even while hunting, as long as you're in Texas.

Guys like the Swamprabbit-and THEY REALLY ARE A DIME A DOZEN at their core- inhabit a fantasy world.They can imagine themselves to be whatever they choose , and imagine you and me to be whatever he decides to "make" us be , write a script for his own little drama and imagine us following his script.

THAT last part is why some of his responses are so out of touch with reality.

Now,most guys afflicted with Swamprabbit's particular mental ailment will populate their fantasy world with good-looking , horny , women.

Why he want's to use a bunch of us guys as his props , is a question I'll leave for someone else.It's beyond my comprehension.
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#5675522 - 10/03/11 Re: VERY Disappointing 444 [Re: curdog4570]
Dirtfarmer Offline
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Registered: 11/28/10
Posts: 13765
Loc: Central Louisiana
Trolls are cowards, hiding behind a computer screen. I don't think they'd say to a man's face what they so often write from the obscurity of their den. They've got to put others down to make themselves look big, at least in their own eyes. They dogmatically spew out information as to appear expert, only to reveal their ineptitude. It's a function of the electronic age, I guess. I like modern gadgets, but cherish the old days when a man was a man and worms didn't dare crawl around in daylight. Even skunks move mostly at night. Daylight skunks, at least in my yard, tend to get blasted. Now, if those skunks just had a computer... eek

IMHO,

DF

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#5676030 - 10/03/11 Re: VERY Disappointing 444 [Re: curdog4570]
the_shootist Offline
Campfire Kahuna

Registered: 05/21/03
Posts: 19004
Loc: NW Ontario, Canada
Ah, Gene, you're so genteel . . . . . . . . . and so right about this nutpack.

I've seen Swampthang on a number of sites in the last 8-10 years. His . . . . ahem! "following" is always the same. Tough being right all the time . . . . . . . just ask him. grin
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#5676461 - 10/03/11 Re: VERY Disappointing 444 [Re: the_shootist]
temmi Offline
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Registered: 06/09/06
Posts: 10068
Loc: Texas
So Did you get it worked out?

Was it a bullet "Size" issue?


T
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#5676541 - 10/03/11 Re: VERY Disappointing 444 [Re: Patrick_James]
rahtreelimbs Offline
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Registered: 01/19/06
Posts: 4602
Loc: The Burgh !!!
Originally Posted By: Patrick_James
Swampytroll, why don't you get lost. I was waiting to see how long it will be 'till your Ruger #3 45/70 is a piece of shitt because it key holed on one of your reloads or you tried 20 grains of bullseye as a reduced load.( Don't try it)

By the way guys, Swamptroll joined the Ruger forum.


Funny how he claims that Ruger No.1's are inaccurate but yet he buys one!!!
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#5676627 - 10/03/11 Re: VERY Disappointing 444 [Re: rahtreelimbs]
Dirtfarmer Offline
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Registered: 11/28/10
Posts: 13765
Loc: Central Louisiana
Originally Posted By: rahtreelimbs
Originally Posted By: Patrick_James
Swampytroll, why don't you get lost. I was waiting to see how long it will be 'till your Ruger #3 45/70 is a piece of shitt because it key holed on one of your reloads or you tried 20 grains of bullseye as a reduced load.( Don't try it)

By the way guys, Swamptroll joined the Ruger forum.


Funny how he claims that Ruger No.1's are inaccurate but yet he buys one!!!


That's because he's consistently inconsistent.

DF

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#5676636 - 10/03/11 Re: VERY Disappointing 444 [Re: temmi]
curdog4570 Offline
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Registered: 02/18/01
Posts: 15936
Loc: North texas usa
Yep!I even got pictures.I've got pictures showing all the targets when it was spraying instead of grouping.I had the pictures when Swamprabbit claimed I was lying.I just havn't uploaded them to photo bucket.

I carry a digital camera in my pickup most all the time.When something waaaaay out of the ordinary happens -like a modern rifle shooting this bad - I'll take pictures in case I want to illustrate a thread or make a point.

It was a combination of things:Switching shooting positions , ranges , and loads just made it harder to figure out.It must have been the scope base was loose , although it seemed tight even when I removed it.

I've not much experience shooting lever actions off the bench and I find that this one is more sensitive to forearm placement than even a Ruger No.1.That obviously doesn't explain the spraying , but I can get a 6 inch vertical variation by moving the front rest.

Anyhow : It will put two factory 240's in the black at 80 yards , about an inch between them.It puts 2 of the 320 gr. cast performance within an inch of each other but about 6 inches below the factory bullets.

The 240 cast won't shoot and I expect it's due to the smaller diameter as someone on here suggested.

I'm going to leave thi 1X4 Leupold on it and just let my 45 70 take a rest this Fall .I'll get the old Redfield back from repair by next Fall.

I'll soon find out what the 320 CP's will do to a hog.

THAT's when I'll post some pictures!

Thanks to all .
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#5676650 - 10/03/11 Re: VERY Disappointing 444 [Re: rahtreelimbs]
curdog4570 Offline
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Registered: 02/18/01
Posts: 15936
Loc: North texas usa
Originally Posted By: rahtreelimbs
Originally Posted By: Patrick_James
Swampytroll, why don't you get lost. I was waiting to see how long it will be 'till your Ruger #3 45/70 is a piece of shitt because it key holed on one of your reloads or you tried 20 grains of bullseye as a reduced load.( Don't try it)

By the way guys, Swamptroll joined the Ruger forum.


Funny how he claims that Ruger No.1's are inaccurate but yet he buys one!!!


I've got a Ruger No.1 in 270 Wby that's bone-stock except for a set trigger and I'll shoot it against anybody's factory 270 for money,marbles , or chalk.That's with 130 XXX and IMR 7828 .
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#5678373 - 10/04/11 Re: VERY Disappointing 444 [Re: curdog4570]
Dirtfarmer Offline
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Registered: 11/28/10
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Loc: Central Louisiana
CD,

With the narrow forearm on lever guns, I like to hold the forearm in my hand, resting my hand on the front rest with the toe of the stock on the rear pad. It seems to be more consistent that way. I hold the gun tight with good pressure against my shoulder and a good, solid cheek weld. I get my best groups with that technique.

RKR

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