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#5669911 - 10/01/11 05:09 AM Re: VERY Disappointing 444 [Re: Swampman700]
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Not when you cushion it..used it many times to help pards on all rifles lever 45/70's included no problems.It makes a great rest if you take recoil into consideration and KNOW HOW to make it work!!
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#5669992 - 10/01/11 06:11 AM Re: VERY Disappointing 444 [Re: FlyboyFlem]
Fischer Offline
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Registered: 02/12/08
Posts: 477
Loc: Lithia - Central Florida
I've never heard of a Marlin shooting that poorly. My 444 cloverleafs at 100 yds. That 444p should be a shooter with that short stiff barrel. First thing I'd do is clean the hell out of that barrel. No telling how many barrels have been replaced that were probably just fouled.

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#5670625 - 10/01/11 11:03 AM Re: VERY Disappointing 444 [Re: Fischer]
curdog4570 Offline
Campfire 'Bwana

Registered: 02/18/01
Posts: 13715
Loc: North texas usa
One thing is for sure.The 320 gr. Cast Performance bullets are NEVER going to shoot well in THIS rifle.I shot 3 of them in front of 41 gr. of 4198 at 80 yards off the bench this morning.The minimum distance between two shots was EIGHT inches.The maximum was THIRTEEN inches!Oddly enough , the one inch bull was more or less centered in the "group".

I know this sounds like a scope mounting problem...BUT......

I found some load recipes for the TC Contender in one of my Hornady books for a 240 gr jacketed bullet.I used that data for H110 and the 240 gr cast bullets from KEAD and loaded 3 rounds.I shot them from about 40 yards out my pickup window and was in the black with the first two and pulled the third.

Considering the distance from the front of the chamber to the aft-most port , establishing the twist rate with a cleaning rod is problematic.Besides , I don't care WHY it won't shoot the heavy cast bullets.It's enough to know that IT WON'T.


For those critical of "window shooting"; if a PD stays up long enough for me to park at the right angle and poke my 22 250 AI in his direction , if the range is 200 yards or less , you can hear the sweet sound of "taps" playing before I squeeze the round off.grin

I'm going to try some more of the 240 gr cast and get some 240 jacketed.

Anybody want to buy some 320 CP bullets ?

Or trade?
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#5670635 - 10/01/11 11:12 AM Re: VERY Disappointing 444 [Re: Fischer]
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Registered: 02/18/01
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Loc: North texas usa
You're right.But that's not the problem here.I've learned this much:

A good barrel will shoot most any thing it is SUPPOSED to shoot and will do it well.

Some barrels are finicky about their groceries , but are good for SOMETHING.

I haven't run across a completely worthless new barrel yet[unless this one proves to be it.]

If this rifle were not a gift , it would be someone else's problem already.
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#5670866 - 10/01/11 01:20 PM Re: VERY Disappointing 444 [Re: curdog4570]
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Registered: 11/14/08
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I think you're full of crap.
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#5670939 - 10/01/11 02:09 PM Re: VERY Disappointing 444 [Re: Swampman700]
curdog4570 Offline
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Loc: North texas usa
It's obvious you've earned the reputation you have on here of being a know it all smart ass that very well may not own a firearm.Now....... That's the reputation you have with other folks.

As far as I'm concerned , you are just a dime a dozen , sorry son of a bitch and I'm making arrangements right now so that I never have to see anything you type on this website.
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#5670979 - 10/01/11 02:34 PM Re: VERY Disappointing 444 [Re: curdog4570]
Swampman700 Offline
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Registered: 11/14/08
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Good, then I won't have to listen to your lies.
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#5671042 - 10/01/11 02:54 PM Re: VERY Disappointing 444 [Re: curdog4570]
rahtreelimbs Offline
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Registered: 01/18/06
Posts: 4521
Loc: The Burgh !!!
Originally Posted By: curdog4570
It's obvious you've earned the reputation you have on here of being a know it all smart ass that very well may not own a firearm.Now....... That's the reputation you have with other folks.

As far as I'm concerned , you are just a dime a dozen , sorry son of a bitch and I'm making arrangements right now so that I never have to see anything you type on this website.



I am sure many will find truth in this.............The Novice!!!
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#5671124 - 10/01/11 03:34 PM Re: VERY Disappointing 444 [Re: rahtreelimbs]
Fischer Offline
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Registered: 02/12/08
Posts: 477
Loc: Lithia - Central Florida
Your 444 has 1 in 20 Ballard rifling and should shoot cast bullets just fine. Since it doesn't, I think you should dump it cheap and make it my problem...

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#5671178 - 10/01/11 04:00 PM Re: VERY Disappointing 444 [Re: rahtreelimbs]
Swampman700 Offline
Campfire 'Bwana

Registered: 11/14/08
Posts: 11197
Originally Posted By: rahtreelimbs
The Novice!!!


Amen

He's a liar....
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