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#5715840 - 10/15/11 05:39 PM Re: Bear self defense with a hand gun... [Re: Eremicus]
jwp475 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Eremicus
I'm another one who has no faith in chemical sprays of all kinds for stopping any determined assailant, human or otherwise. BTDT, and have paid dearly for it. Never again will any chemical spray be my opening move in any kind of serious confrontation with man or beast.
I believe bear spray can be a very appropriate choice for nuisance bears or other animals. Since lots of bear caused injuries are apparently from this type of bear problem, it's probably worth having for such things. E



Spot on "E"..... Spray for nuisance bears, but leave the condiments at the table for a determined attacker
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….they WAY over penetrate on deer...


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#5716318 - 10/15/11 07:54 PM Re: Bear self defense with a hand gun... [Re: Eremicus]
RoninPhx Offline
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Registered: 10/26/05
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this was a LONG time ago, before they started adding pepper to the sprays for humans. Another guy and i were having to fight this guy to get cuffs on him that was royally drunk. Had him on the ground and dumped most of a can of the I think cs spray directly in his face. It was running like water down his face.
He was laughing cause we were slow close it was gagging the other guy and i, not a good situation.
We drove him back to the jail and he was laughing all the way as we had our heads out the window etc.
Now about an hour later he didn't think it was so funny and was begging for something to flush it out.
I wonder if a bear reacts that way?
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#5717664 - 10/16/11 10:24 AM Re: Bear self defense with a hand gun... [Re: 222Rem]
dla Offline
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Registered: 02/08/04
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But it did work.

There seems to be a lot of dense-bobs on this thread who can't seem to process the fact that OC does work. Bear spray works. When you can't carry a gun, or can't carry enough gun, or suck with a gun, then carry bear spray. A $50 can of spray that you can use is infinitely better protection than a $800 gun you can't use.

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#5717762 - 10/16/11 11:16 AM Re: Bear self defense with a hand gun... [Re: RoninPhx]
Raisuli Offline
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Registered: 07/24/11
Posts: 3100
Originally Posted By: RoninPhx
this was a LONG time ago, before they started adding pepper to the sprays for humans. Another guy and i were having to fight this guy to get cuffs on him that was royally drunk. Had him on the ground and dumped most of a can of the I think cs spray directly in his face. It was running like water down his face.
He was laughing cause we were slow close it was gagging the other guy and i, not a good situation.
We drove him back to the jail and he was laughing all the way as we had our heads out the window etc.
Now about an hour later he didn't think it was so funny and was begging for something to flush it out.
I wonder if a bear reacts that way?


It would depend upon how much a bear had drunk of what type of spirits. Bears guzzling Jack Daniels can become quite belligerent, especially while playing Texas Hold 'en. In contrast, bears are usually happy with a beer buzz so long as either the Cubs or Bears are winning.


R

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#5717765 - 10/16/11 11:18 AM Re: Bear self defense with a hand gun... [Re: Raisuli]
Raisuli Offline
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Registered: 07/24/11
Posts: 3100
dla,

If bear spray does work, why?

Would you trust your life to it?


Thanks,

R

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#5717779 - 10/16/11 11:25 AM Re: Bear self defense with a hand gun... [Re: dla]
Eremicus Offline
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Registered: 03/01/01
Posts: 18881
Loc: Placerville,CA,USA
Great advice for people who don't own guns and can't shoot one. But that hardly applies to those of us that post here. E

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#5718089 - 10/16/11 01:47 PM Re: Bear self defense with a hand gun... [Re: dla]
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Registered: 07/12/06
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Loc: New Hampshire
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There seems to be a lot of dense-bobs on this thread who can't seem to process the fact that OC does work.


Sometimes against some people....yep. I wouldn't bet from one person to the next if it will or won't nor would I hand my wife a can and consider her "safe". How many times have you used OC on someone?

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Bear spray works


I have no personal experience, but it seems to have worked for some of our members. If it works for them (or you) then go for it.

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When you can't carry a gun, or can't carry enough gun, or suck with a gun, then carry bear spray


I can carry a gun and I'll carry enough gun. If someone sucks with a gun they can practice. If it's a "nerve" thing that makes 'em suck, I doubt they'll be any cooler with spray.

You only have to make yourself happy, though.

George


Edited by NH K9 (10/16/11 01:48 PM)
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#5718815 - 10/16/11 05:47 PM Re: Bear self defense with a hand gun... [Re: Raisuli]
dla Offline
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Registered: 02/08/04
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It works for two reasons, one of which was bit surprising to me:
(1) It is a nasty irritant (2) the "SWOOSH" noise surprises the bear.

I've seen a couple of videos where the bear starts turning before the spray actually hits him. Maybe it is a learned behavior from a skunk encounter - just a guess.

Bear spray has a better track record than handguns. Absolutely I trust my life to it. And it gives you a non-lethal way to deal with somebody's dog.

I'm not knocking hog-legs - they work. But $50 makes more sense for somebody who is only going to wander into the back country rarely and doesn't have the means or interest to shell out $800 - $1200 for a revolver and then the $ and time for 1k rounds of practice.

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#5718924 - 10/16/11 06:18 PM Re: Bear self defense with a hand gun... [Re: dla]
Raisuli Offline
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Registered: 07/24/11
Posts: 3100
dla,

Thanks for the info.

I'll be back in the Sierra this week huntin' brown trout. My primary strategy is avoidance, bear not trout although sometimes I think I'm avoidin' trout, too. Thank God, it's worked so far. The way I got it figured, and I ain't done a lot math lately, if I can carry a handgun, that's the way I'll go. I can't see my carrying a handgun & bear spray, too.

There is a healthy population of black bears in the Eastern Sierra. The wilderness belongs to them. I do not want to shoot a bear. I don't hunt them either. As long as they have no designs on us & they allow us to trespass unharmed into their domain, I prefer to leave 'em just like I find 'em.

There is an excellent trout fishin' hole I've fished that's at the base of the Eastern Sierra. I haven't taken a gun while fishing it because it ain't bear territory. A couple weeks ago I was walking to it a 0 dark thirty. Suddenly the thought came to me that it's classic mountain lion territory. I fear lion more than bear. When I fish it next week I'm thinking I might take a handgun.


Buena Suerte,

R

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#5718930 - 10/16/11 06:20 PM Re: Bear self defense with a hand gun... [Re: Raisuli]
JBGQUICK Offline
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Registered: 12/15/10
Posts: 1922
carry an air horn. loud one.

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