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Oh, the irony in your calling someone an idiot. If you're going to throw rocks - make sure they're not indicative of a 3rd grade education. I'm rather sure the proper use of a possessive is taught by that level of primary education.

John has great experience and when it comes to this - he's taking a lawyer's position.

Again - he hasn't shot as many barrels as his customers have (combined) in as many conditions as his customers have (combined).

Please point me to a place where we can see this tube of death at 0 degrees. Surely there must be SOME evidence of such danger that isn't theoretical. Until someone can show where this isn't armchair CYA - then that's all it is. Again - his barrels have been used below 0 degrees with no issue what so ever. Any issue below 0 degrees has never come up or been shown to be due to any metallurgical issue.

Or it could be as other's have said when calling Krieger and asking about it vice Remington not putting a temperature restriction on their SS - "Remington has more lawyers than I do".

Now John didn't say that to me directly - it's just what someone's reported when this question came up elsewhere - before you go get your underwear in a bind.

And for the record - I am not telling him how to do his business. Not telling others that they can or can not use Krieger barrels above or below zero degrees - just saying that I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE using his wares below zero. I also stated WHY I don't have an issue using his wares outside of what he feels (or his lawyer) comfortable allowing.

That statement alone speaks for itself...

Krieger also states a break-in procedure.

It means they're not ordering the barrels how they want them, metallurgic-ally speaking, and are willing to enact processes upon them to get them there.

Are we to then believe he's beyond being able to create or order a 416R ss barrel steel that can withstand the BRUTALITY that is zero degrees, like apparently other manufacturers can? Or is it more likely that the zero degree is lawyer speak?

It's called deductive reasoning and thinking for yourself - I know it's hard so I typed this slowly for you.


Again - waiting for the examples of Krieger barrels suffering a metallurgical failure due to extreme weather temperatures.

If Kreiger sells #4 contours & larger, there accuracy reputation has a better chance of remaining top-notch. Been told this buy other Mfr's and it makes good sense IMO. The cold weather excuse is BS.

SS in freezing temps.

So, it has nothing to do WITH RELIEVING THE STRESS CREATED DURING THE MANUFACTURING PROCESS????

What exactly changes metallurgicly by cyro treating a barrel?

Read the top of the page...

The section "STEEL"

Krieger Barrels

Increase resistance to abrasive wear (how is that stress created during the mfg process)
Changes the entire grain structure of the metal, not just the surfaces (again stress?)
Transforms most retained austenite to hard martensite (stress?)
Forms micro-fine carbide fillers to enhance carbide structures
Decreases brittleness
Increases tensile strength, toughness and stability (we to believe this is all induced into metal during mfg stress and if anything this should more than make the steel suitable for temps below 0 degrees)
Relaxes internal stresses (there's 1 advantage to your point)
Results in the orderly arrangement of crystals, increases internal bonding energy, and achieves a structural balance throughout the mass of the material
50%-75% decrease in grain size in treated specimens
Much more uniform distribution of carbon
Alleviation of grain boundaries

Again - not all of these are "stresses" put on a piece of steel during a mfg process.

Read that jack ass - and if he was getting the steel the way he wanted 100% there'd be no cryo to follow.

Again - back to my ORIGINAL POINT - dumbass - Krieger barrels have been and will continue to be used below the zero degree threshold. Any who wish to continue or NOT is fine by me but I'll not swallow this idea that even tho hundreds if not THOUSANDS of people have use 416r - specifically Krieger 416r below zero degrees without any issue what so ever - I'll continue to use mine at whatever temp I can withstand - this below zero warning is more based in the court of what "might could happen" than "happens".

YMMV...

You are completely clueless as to metallurgy, machining practices and processes...

But do keep going sunshine. I can use a good laugh!

You could use a good more than that...

Still waiting on that 416R barrel failure due to cold weather temps.


Here you go - "Due to the chance that a meteor could hit you in the head and cause loss of control, GM does not recommend using a sun roof on your car"

I don't care what you say GM makes more cars than anyone (cept Toyota) and thus they KNOW - not that they're CTA on anything....

I mean it's possible but not probable....and that's the difference.

Tho I suspect you'll not understand that either. Have your union steward read it and tell you what to believe because it's evident that's all you understand - things read to you.

ETA

Course - I bet you think Dan Lilja doesn't know his way around barrels/barrel steel -



Linky with info on Cyro as well....

How do we get from rifle barrels... to cars?

See, that's the difference. I've got actual experience working with stainless and other exotic materials. You, not so much. But you keep pretending to know what you're talking about.

And I'll keep LMAO...

So, John uses a 0� value. Never know when a dickweed such as yourself would order a #4 contour in .458, and then flute the thing.

I do a fair amount of heat treating of steel, including some stainless.

I guess theoretically there could be a concern about retained austenite kicking over and reducing toughness, in 416 stainless, but I'm fairly skeptical that it's a significant concern at only 0�.

I tried searching for "Charpy values for 416 stainless versus temperature" but came up empty. If one could find, or check those results, it could be interesting.

Maybe we could get Mythbusters to check it out?

Cyro would take care of that...

You got snow in WPB last night?

It really is some funny shidt .......non experts "pontificating" with profound "guessing" based on their "extensive" experience..... ....they might be able to polish John Krieger's boots on their best day.....

And all the other "top" barrel makers say Krieger is nuts......that includes Brux and Bartlein I assume?They agree with Krieger..... ....likely professional jealousy because you see way more Kriegers used in competition than any others.

Like a few shots at minus "0" constitutes a conclusive "test"...another joke. Most "educated" critics are just pissed off because they gotta have their skinny SS barrels and Krieger won't make them one (whining!)

BTW, those factory lightweight SS barrels are 410 SS.....not 416......

Which factory rifles use 410 SS?

The ones that don't want to cyro their barrels because Crucible can't deliver good barrel steel...