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223AI because it works from p'dogs to whitetails.....and no case trimming.
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"...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe
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Your varmint rifle is a deer rifle too I have killed 3 nice bucks with the 22-250 Ack
A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to do that for Two Bucks.
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Mine too is the 30-06 AI--but 99% of that is due to the handling qualities of the particular rifle--practically perfect in every way, just like that flying broad...
I had a 7x57AI that I really liked but sold it for some inane reason. It would touch 3100 w140s easily and the pockets held up.
My 280AI is the most all-around useful for me--it probably negates the need (I have) for most of the rifles on hand. Sad situation.
Defend the Constitution
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223AI because it works from p'dogs to whitetails.....and no case trimming. The tiny weak 223 is not humane nor even legal on deer for good reason. Reloaded brass needs to be trimmed from time to time. So called AI does little but pull the neck in shorter on fire form. If your just neck sizing with say a Lee collet die then ok. Otherwise sized brass stretches.
All guns should be locked up when not in use!
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Obviously, you have little real world experience with AI rounds nor the 223 version topped with TSX bullets on medium game or you would not say such. Even a plain vanilla 223 with a Barnes bullet is a reliable and deadly deer round. We are not limited to cup and core bullets anymore. The game has changed, much for the better.
LOVE God, LOVE your family, LOVE your country, LIKE guns and sports.
About 2016 team "R" candidates "We definitely need a crew with a sack of balls the size of hot water bottles, bloviated estrogen leaking feel-gooders need not apply." Gunner 500
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I got my first rifle chambered for a so called 'improved' cartridge in 1959. I met and talked with Lysle Kilbourn. Do you know who he was? I designed my own improved cartridge on the 375 H&H case and have dies that will headspace it on the shoulder. It makes no sense to shoot a nice big game animal with a 223 unless you don't care how it dies and think that you will impress someone when you say: "Thats all you need." <--- Typical statement from a small bore shooter of big game. John Barsness reported that Barnes type mono bullets were the slowest killers of deer. But then they may not know any better or perhaps don't care!
All guns should be locked up when not in use!
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These 2 deer from a couple weeks back must have missed the memo that they weren't supposed to drop in their tracks and die when hit with .22 cal 62gr TSX
My dog is a member of the "Turd Like Clan"
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That's a campfire fav of mine, I could use a 22/250 like that!
Dober
"True respect starts with the way you treat others, and it is earned over a lifetime of demonstrating kindness, honor and dignity"....Tony Dungy
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Campfire Oracle
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223AI because it works from p'dogs to whitetails.....and no case trimming. The tiny weak 223 is not humane nor even legal on deer for good reason. Reloaded brass needs to be trimmed from time to time. So called AI does little but pull the neck in shorter on fire form. If your just neck sizing with say a Lee collet die then ok. Otherwise sized brass stretches. Sweet Jesus, I bet you don't wipe your ass because of a bad experience with corn cobs in 1803.
"Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"
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Did your parents have any kids that weren't retarded, just curious?
"Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"
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223AI because it works from p'dogs to whitetails.....and no case trimming. The tiny weak 223 is not humane nor even legal on deer for good reason. HAhaha! No really!!!! Your joking.....right? Really??!!??
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A 223 AI I put together in '95 for West Texas coyotes and a 250 AI I put together in 2000 for my son's to use on whitetails, hogs and the like. Haven't shot the 223 in years.
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.250 AI is the only one I've had and I think highly of it. Works great in a 2.8" box and offers much performance for such a small package. The 25-06 AI is interesting to me. Pretty darn close to .257 Wby performance but without the hassles of a belt.
John
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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And, in the case of mine, quite an improvement in horsepower. 250gr Barnes Original style RN pills at 2600fps is a thumper!
LOVE God, LOVE your family, LOVE your country, LIKE guns and sports.
About 2016 team "R" candidates "We definitely need a crew with a sack of balls the size of hot water bottles, bloviated estrogen leaking feel-gooders need not apply." Gunner 500
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My '06 improved was a 338-06...not acklerized 200s 2909, yes O 9 23"......and there was always a 225 2670 on tap. Now a 243 improved is a 6mm Benchrest IMHO 2/3 Powder, 90-95% speed, ALOT more bore life...and deer deadly - confirmed/tested to 400 yds by yours truly! I could like a 6mm-308 AI if Saami had one.. Maybe Big Green would do a 6mm-08 30 degree...Nahhhh... Olin won't b/c it would get mixed up w/243 Win On that 223 is too small and mono's kill slower.... Well I'd say there are alot of variables...shot placement, bullet, etc. The least significant in my book is headstamp. Unless someone can tell me of any animal that died from a brass case? Bullets thru vitals kill, never brass cases...and deer don't read...nor are surrounded by 'Chronograph bullet proof shields.'
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I haven't messed with any AIs yet, but I'm pretty sure my first will be a .280, then maybe a fast-twist .223, then fast twist .243. Others I've thought about: .22-250 6mm (in a #1) .250 Savage 7x57 .338-06
This is a shooting forum, there is no place here for logic.
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Please tell me it's a 1 in 2 twist so you can use the 1000 grain A-Maxes.
Gunnery, gunnery, gunnery. Hit the target, all else is twaddle!
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