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Need suggestions on where (who ) to have a new Light sporter
re-barreled (caliber change ) done.
Does Ruger offer cuson shop services ?

Thanks, Rabbitdog

Any decent smith can do as long as you stick to the same headsize to avoid extractor issues. Given the huge variety of #1 calibers from 22 Hornet to 470 Nitro, I can't imagine what you would want.
A AH #1 in 257 or 7x57 is a pinweight already and, unlike a rebarreled rifle, will increase in value.

7x57 on top, 375 H&H on bottom.

I'm sure you mean a No. 1-A in 7x57 or 257 Bob, as there has only ever been one AH, the Lipseys 25-06...

Bigskyguy,

I have a factory 1AH in 7x57. IIRC, there may be a couple of others out there too.

intertthem,

You can change extractors for a song, so any caliber is possible in a rebarrel job. Many of my rebarreled and rebored #1 Bs bgean life as 22.250s ,.243s, or something else. One was A 218 1S, now a .35 Whelen 1S. My .300 H&H was a .30-06 1B. my .338 Federal was a .22 250 1B. Etc....

1B

I am a 358 Winchester nut. I have 6 rifles in 358 Win NOW. I've always wanted a Ruger No.1, light sproter in 358 win. I have a NIB Number 1, Light Sporter, in 35 Whelen. Although the Whelen is a great caliber, I would rather have 358 Win.
Thats why I want to find someone who will put a 358 Win barrel on it that is the same length(22") and contour. And I would like to keep the quarter rib.
Head sizes are the same for both 35 Whelen and 358 Win. so there should be no problems there. It would be a simple matter of reaming out the existing chamber if we were starting out with a 358 and going to a Whelen...BUT we're not going that direction.
I know alot of you are thinking "Why Bother ? or that I am crazy"
but WTH, It's what I want and what I can afford !
Thanks in advance for your advice.

Rabbitdog

Give these folks a call.

http://www.mcgowenbarrel.com/

Swifty

Rabbitdog

You might go over to castboolits.com

Ben has a 358 win that is a beauty.

Rabbit,

Pac-Nor has the contours of the #1 in their database. If I were you, I'd send them the bbl'd action and tell them what you want. I'd not have them blue it (If the rifle is question is blued...) And I'd not have them install the front sight or barrel band. Any competent gunsmith can do that. Barrel bands are available from Brownell's. And likely the banded front sight is available as well.

My #1-AH in 8x57 started life as a .270 but was rebarreled with a 7x57 factory barrel rebored and rechambered to 8x57. Likely you know what twist you want, but at any rate be sure to specify. And if you want special throating, be sure to include 2 or 3 dummy cartridges.

I had a #3 in .22 Hornet rebored to .356 Win. and it works fine with either .356 Win ammo or .358 ammo. (As I'm sure you are aware, the extractors are spring loaded...) My only mistake was I errantly specified 1~16" twist... At this late date, I found I would have MUCH preferred 1~12" or at the very least; 1~14". Oh well... Live and learn, so they say...

GH

No I don't, I mean AH as in Alexander Henry from which the fore end design was "borrowed".

As the 358 Winchester is less powerful and less flexible than the 35 Whelen, you desire to change is a mystery. It's only reason to exist is to fit actions the Whelen will not (Savage 99s Win 88s etc).
On the assumption that your smith can remove it, undamaged, I'd pay 50 bucks for it to rebore to 411 Hawk to put on a 1B 25-06 I have.

Regan Nonneman did mine, only I wanted a 24" barrel. .358 Winchester



Nonneman Custom Rifles

When you said light sporter, I suspect you are referring to the No.1A series, 22" or 24" light tapered barrel.

The ejector in the No.1 is a 10 dollar part, and is unique to case head size. Sometimes a new loose ejector will need fitting for left/right movement on the action crossstud stackups, but never have seen one that the hook/face needed touching.

One could suggest reboring, but two concerns come to mind in general, one is the bore diameter versus the outside dimensions, such at the muzzle. The other is the depth of the screws for the the two forward positions on the quarter rib. Sometimes these are fairly deep. The reboring facility will counsel on these items I am sure. The idea behind reboring are many, but keeps the outside cosmetics and is somewhat more economical than rebarreling in general.

I am a rebarreler type, I change every No.1 to an aftermarket barrel from various big name suppliers. The current offerings I have been thru, so I like the world of wildcats for my chamberings. PacNor and Lilja come to mind for the No.1A or otherwise factory contours. Not everyone in the business offers custom contouring, but those that do have large data bases, if the contour is in the database already, usually free depending on their business model(pricing criterias) or if the contour desired is not in their database, usually a fee of 30-35 dollars last time I looked. The contouring is the biggest task for the gunsmith, as most do not much contouring anymore, lots of labor/time at the lathe.

If you have ever redone a Ruger No.1 with factory sights, it is a lot of work/time. The banded front sights and swivel bands come straight bored and have to be fitted to your barrel's taper for a hairline fit. The rib has four screws and two alignment studs, and all of this has to be at TDC. Just a little off of this alignment of the barrel hardware, it is very annoying. Usually the alignment of these parts is done off a surface or surfaces of the action, some of which do not agree with a test indicator all the time.

I would ask questions as to barrel blank vendor, quality, type of bluing, chamber dimensions etc. Barrel quality varies from very basic to the very finest tolerancing/smoothness, and the costs will vary as well. Surprisingly little difference between match and their finests in costs; somewhat dependent on you and persceived requirements.

The basic work is not beyond most gunsmiths capabilities that I know, but one has to keep their mind on their work and not accept a little off to make time.

I can understand the caliber selection, I have one in 17 Bumble Bee, so I do not worry about others comments on caliber/rifle types a lot...........

intertherm:

Of course, it's hard the read the inflection in the written word, but you come across as somewhat derogatory...

Alexander Henry (Scottish Gunsmith) died in 1894. Any patents he may have held on his fore-end design have long since expired. It would seem that it is fairly common practice for the firearms industry to "borrow" designs of expired patents. (Think John Browning's 1911)

Personally I much prefer the "Schnable" design forend, but I also prefer the AH (Alexander Henry) style Ruger foreend as opposed to the obese beavertail of the 1-B.

I do believe that Bill Ruger designed the AH fore-end on the #1 as a tribute to Alexander Henry. I would suppose because he admired him.

GH

"Borrowed" does not equal patent infringement, had I said "stolen" or pirated" that would be different.

"to use, appropriate, or introduce from another source or from a foreign source: to borrow an idea from the opposition; to borrow a word from French. "

"used" from a foreign source, (England).

I was only pointing out that among #1 aficionados, everyone know what a "AH" model is.

According to Hallowell & Co.: "Alex Henry Forend - A groove at the forend tip, typical of this fine Scottish maker, (for tying a rifle into a vehicle-mounted rack?). Adopted by the traditionalist Bill Ruger for his single shot Model No. 1."

Note "ADOPTED" not adapted or invented.

Interesting to note that the AH groove had a function whereas the schnable was/is only decorative. "Schnabel - Stock detail, typical of German and Austrian rifles, where the forend tip flares out to an enlarged knob".

Bill was not building a Euro replica but and English replica.

And, yes, Scotland was part of England. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_independence

Webster's definitions aside, those are two BEAUTIFUL #1s you've got Interthem! That 7x57 raised my pulse about 15bpm.

Ruger will only install a new barrel in the chambering that the gun originally left the factory with.

Thanks. Actually the 375 has gone away as I bought another one, a red pad RIGHT HERE with wood almost as nice as the 7x57. Its stock is in the process of a redo in the "English red" color to bring out the full figure.

Also bought this ex 30-06 B model that is now a 300 H&H AH model, again the wood was a major factor although it shoots well too, with a "mere" 6X leupie.

Just for a side note, no all Alex Henry rifles had the grooved forearm.

interthem,

Just curious. That rifle looks a lot like a #1S -- 26" long barrel, sling keeper on barrel. Did you rebarrel a 1AH in .300 H&H? If so, what is the cirumference measurement for the crown area of the barrel?

1B

Beautiful wood, I'm also a fan of Hollands Super 30.

Very nice.


41

No, it was a 1B in 06 24" bbl redone to 30 Super w/original 24" bbl. I added Gentry front band and King reflector (Circa 1930s but NIB) ramp front sight to make it more "British" and changed the fore end to AH style.

interthem,

Your posts continue to confuse me... (Perhaps that is your intent?) I have Ruger catalogs dating back to the early '70's. Nowhere in those catalogs is there any mention of a No 1-B with anything other than a 26" barrel! I also have R.L Wilsons book on Rugers and that also has no mention of any No 1-B with anything but a 26" bbl. Am I missing something here?

GH

GH,

You are onto, not missing, something. The tale is startign to spin out of orbit on factual matters and grandiose customizing delusions.

1B

Hmm, well I actually made an error ! So it's 26", even better to burn all the RL25.
The troll just goes nuts because I own it just like the 375 and 25-06 also bought HERE. Thanks for the correction. None of the ranting changes the fact that it is really a nice rifle and it's total cost was far less than a new one in 300 H&H while it has better wood and blue and appears to shoot reasonably well.

The only "delusion" at play is that a quite old book (the #1 book) has all the facts on all #1s. Look at the Ruger website to see how much things have changed.

I don't think anyone is "delusional" about the Ruger No.1 book having all the facts! It was written in 1983 and had about all the knowledge of collectors at that time. Certainly, in the following 30 years a good deal more historical/collector information has been learned.
One fact though, Ruger has never in any instance ever referred to the Ruger No.1 as the #1. Only the ill informed, or those trying to save key strokes.

You have a 2nd.

I don't know why in the hell anyone is entertaining any of the bullshit overtures made by Oldmanbitchlady1942 aka Larry Root's latest incarnation.

There seems to be a group salivating over the rifles in the pictures posted -- rifle this dickhead doesn't actually own, as I recall -- and one group puzzled over the knucklehead horseshit he posts.

It's Larry Root. That's all anyone needs to know.

Glad to see the fake Negro is back.

I don't own them eh ? Tell you what I'll make the Mitt bet of $10,000 that you are full of what my horses leave in the pasture. You figure out how to get your white butt out to WY next summer and we'll have a showing. If any I say I own now cannot be produced, I pay you $10,000 is US funds. If it turns out your are a liar (as about your race) you had better bring a big suitcase of Benjies as where I come from a bet is a bet and welchers are not well treated.

The only "group" puzzling are you and the other .00001 % of the membership aka the troll club.

YOU IN OR OUT, A SIMPLE YES OR NO WILL BE ALL WE NEED. Drop me a PM, I tell you where to send the contract.

You trolls sure love to run your yaps but when it comes to put up or shut up, it gets real quiet. Our LEO members are still swapping the tale about the moron from SD who made the death threat and what happened to him.

Insofar as # vs No. that's a laugh. It really makes it a different rifle eh ? like M 70 vs Model 70. It is the Internet, the home of more bad grammar, misspelling, abbreviations and yammering that would never be done by civil people FTF than anywhere else on earth.

BTW I forgot to mention that my #1 7x57, 77 35 Whelen, & 375 H&H RSM were ALSO bought from CF members, just a small part of the $10K+ we spent buying from members and sponsors.

Some members support the site, others just like to play at being big shots.

Hmm, wonder if BT is really calhoon doing a minstrel show bit ? They both feel free to call other liars but when presented with the opportunity for big easy money, you never hear another word......... interesting eh ?

Would be nice if they both came together. We could get a group photo, to post here, of them handing over all those pretty Benjamins to me.

Any side bet action out there ?

wager #1 will they take the bet(s)
wager #2 will they show up or not?
wager #3 who is telling the truth?

Fair warning: the boy on the left is a Grand-Son of Secretariat, won with a full house of Aces over Queens. Daddy taught me very well how to make wagers.

Why wait until the summer, [bleep]? I just got an extra week of vacation at work, I'll come right the f*ck now.

Larry,

The silence is deafening!!

Are you OK? Should we call 911?

Steve

You get him brickie....

I bet his eyes are crissing and crossing as he pisses his pants...

Guess it's wintertime.....

Good observation Bill N. Brickie got nothing but another way to try and duck out.
Nothing will change by summer except he will have to hope we forget the offer of the bet....... we won't.
Funny how all these "experts" who know everything about me, don't even know where the guns are and where I am. Even one of the "I'm gonna come and getcha" dipscheits figured out he would have to come to FL to "kick my azz" in the winter.
Of course once he was put on the state, county and local BOLO lists (complete with nice picture he posted on this site) he somehow failed to ever show up.
Poor dumb schmucks could not find their azzes with both hands, with a spotlight on it.
Nice try BT, you will be reminded often of your yellow streak.
Still waiting for your PM, will I be seeing you in June ?..........Laffin !
Bye, gotta go oil up my #1s, you know the ones I don't own.

Don't need to wait until June, dickhead, I'm ready right now. Don't need to transact it via PM either, we can do it right here.

Here's a good one, Larry saying he isn't always "Larry:" https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth..._An_oddball_9_3x62_111_model#Post6008187

I figure a simple picture of Larry or whatever the [bleep] interthem wants to be called (Roger?) actually holding said rifle should suffice.

Hello,
Let me guess.
The rifle is in wyo. and your in florida right larry?

And where in Florida might he be?? Say, in Key West?? Doing some...t-r-o-l-l-i-n-g???!!! Be careful, guys, or he will threaten to sic the police chief and his biker buds on ya!! Ain't that scary??!! Which is another way of saying he would piss all over himself if anybody actually showed up!! And that's why he's skeered to put where he is! Cuz he talks so much schit on the fire that he's afraid somebody like ol' BrickTop might come a'calling when he doesn't have any of his azzhole buddies to save his punk azz.

no dipchit after my uncle did a background check on you and talked to your sheriff, he confirmed what most here have already figured out, your just a dipchit loser. its nice having a fed,. agent in the family.
you flatter yourself to think I'd waste my time putting a ass whopping on a pathetic old fool.

I wonder what alias # he is up to now?

Larry doesn't ever seem to get tired of being a piece of road kill.

Post his papers and proof you own that horse

You know "boys" none of us have to "prove" thing to any of you wannabes.
BUT EH, I'll put another $10,000.00 on the table if you want to come out and see the horse's papers. Same terms as "the non-existant guns".
Maybe you an BT can share bus fare and a motel room to save what little you each have after you BOTH lose. In or out ?
We've been down this road so many times with Internet wannabes.
Amusing that STX got so concerned he changed BOTH his screen name and avatar.
Oh well boys will be boys. Guess there is nothing else to do.
Think this thread has been sufficiently pirated and trolled by all the "usual suspects".
We'll be no longer posting on it, so you boys have fun whining to each other.
BUT the bet is not forgotten, in fact Duane said it is now posted on the club's wall for all to enjoy and as a reminder to advise the "white boy wannabe boyz in the hood" phoney that we are available for the showing.
Ole Rog, who has an interesting sense of humor, said we should have told him to come now (as BT wished to) and then watch him wandering around in 20 degree weather freezing his soft midwestern butt off in vain. No, that would be nasty and unmannered, we'll wait for spring. See Y'all then.

I don't want to wait until June, your ass will be booted off before then, let's do it NOW.

Dream on Bricktop..
That [bleep] is mentally deranged..

Okay, Larry's current screen name will be banned before June.

His real name is Larry "the liar" Root......what a flake this guy is. He doesn't own a horse or any of those guns. The only law away scam artist on here.

Eventually he will end up like this guy...

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth.../1/Internet_Gun_Scammer_Paul_Webs#UNREAD

Only a matter of time.

and he is nothing but

Hey Larry,

Can I ask you some personal questions?

Nevermind that, I'm just going to ask anyway.




Is Roger your "wife"?

Was she BossLady?

Does Roger get to winter with you in Florida and if not, why?



I'm just try to open up the lines of communication and get to know you a little better. Thanks in advance.

Your bestest UBB Buddy,

fish head

Fish Head,

Judging by Olmantrannydouche's passive aggressive posts over the years, it's safe to assume he's the beotch in the "relationship".

Could be. Or ...

Maybe they're both beotchs.

I don't know how these types of relationships work.

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Larry ... or Roger,

Can you help us out here. What's the real deal? Who's the Boss Lady? Do you take turns?

If you don't answer that's OK. I have nothing more than a passing interest in your choice of lifestyle.

I gotta feeling he's the 'bottom'...

Were does this end????
Link:

http://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2711043/m/7661022761?r=6851057961#6851057961
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Posted 26 November 2011 17:39
Looking for a "red pad" with wood like this 300 H&H I purchased here.



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Posted 24 December 2011 16:31 Hide Post
Been found, thanks to my dear friend Bricktop !
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Nope, not good enough, found a better one.

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F*cking Larry.

Oh yeah, fake homie, I forgot to thank you for posting the nice pics of the #1 375 H&H. Both the seller and I are pleased with your fine work that facilitated another purchase for me.
It's undergoing a redo to English red stock color (Rather expensive stain, but none to equal it). I'll post some really good pics when it is done so you can see how Ruger's "finish" degrades even the nicest wood. Also getting a red pad as an upgrade.
I'm sure, as a #1 guy, er No. 1 guy, you'll like it.
How's that 6.5x55 coming ? Mine is already done....hint:
6.5 creedmore + chambering reamer + gunsmith =s 6.5x55.

" When loaded with heavier bullets, cartridges such as the 6.5x55mm and 6.5-284 are capable of greater muzzle velocity due to their longer cases and larger powder capacity. However, due to its shorter overall length, the 6.5mm Creedmoor is more flexible in its ability to be chambered in short-action bolt rifles and AR-10 rifles." A #1 is neither of those !

i.e another faddish rather than ballistic driven choice from Ruger.

For cripes sake, why don't both of you idiots shut up, and quit wasting peoples time with your juvenile bickering!

Jeff

Yeah,

Take it outside. This segement of the fire used to be a place for adults to exchange information and differing opinions --a non-name calling and drawer-dropping zone until recently.

1B

Uh, I guess I missed the name calling and bickering on my part, although there is no shortage of it from those now wishing it didn't happen. Guess you don't follow Bricktop's gentle, courteous, civil posts eh ?

As for "information exchanged:
1. I thanked him for posting the pics.
2. I told him I was redoing the stock on the #1 375.
3. I inquired how his #1 6.5 project was coming along.
4. I told him I had already completed one using a 6.5 Creedmore #1 as a basis.
5. I offered an opinion of Ruger's choice on picking the wrong 6.5 for the #1.

That is information and opinion..... not bickering.

Think you better figure out who is saying "nice things" like
"F*cking Larry" and apply equal chastising to them.

As far as BT being a black man, he is not as anyone who bothers to contact the school at which he claims to be a process engineer. Playing the "race card" to get away with being a foul mouthed, insulting jerk is hardly "adults exchanging information and opinions".

That's all folks.

Promise?

I wish things were different thanks to Bricktop this forum is awful now, he is the first person I have ever put on ignore and if people stopped putting up with him he would go away. Thankfully most guys here are decent but it doesn't take many to ruin it.

Well one thing about Bricktop, he doesn't mince words or leave any doubt what he thinks about something. A good thing in my book. Sometimes I wonder "why so angry?", but he's helped me out when I asked. Now the other guy,

I don't want to ever have someone on ignore but he treats people so poorly hope he changes one day. Must be awful to have that much anger inside. That's all I want to say on this subject.

gerrygoat,

It's not just anger, it's self hate too.

Whatever the cause, and frankly I don't give a hoot, crapping in the fire inevitably makes good folks move on. The twisted then can have it to themselves.

1B

What a candy ass. Some of you ladies had issues before I ever arrived. LONG before then. Hell's bells, I've been registered here nearly two years longer than your bitch ass, gerrygoat; you're just looking for a reason to whine. And based on how you've dealt with this "problem," you'll have issues yet. I suspect you'd spend your spare time whining about some other petty bullshit if I wasn't here. I don't get too bent out of shape over the "internets" or any internet message board. I have weightier things to ponder. Obviously you don't.

The only "problem" is why do you lie about your race ? Sympathy ? Protection ?
"White Guilt" ?
But thanks again for the 375 !

Where has he lied about his race?