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WOW, that video really proved the terminal effectiveness of the 410 shot shell from a revolver. I mean the Winchester shot shell penetrated completely through that paper target and we all know how difficult a sheet of paper can be to penetrate. The taking of the melon was priceless with the tough reputation that they have
Let's replace that melon with your head and see if the results are the same.. Just sayin'... Oh Christ... Not that argument... Redneck, Have you ever hunted with a pistol chambered in the .410? Travis Not to mention that shooting for the head is usually not the perferred shot, center mass gives you the best chance, and unless they are on top of you, the 410 is going to be lacking.
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Not to mention jwp has such a pretty face.
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It's gotta be bettern a sharp stick!
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Not to mention jwp has such a pretty face.
Travis LOL! Who'd want to mess that up?!
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WOW, that video really proved the terminal effectiveness of the 410 shot shell from a revolver. I mean the Winchester shot shell penetrated completely through that paper target and we all know how difficult a sheet of paper can be to penetrate. The taking of the melon was priceless with the tough reputation that they have
Let's replace that melon with your head and see if the results are the same.. Just sayin'... Oh Christ... Not that argument... Why not?
Redneck,
Have you ever hunted with a pistol chambered in the .410?
Travis Why would I? It's not what they're designed for.. Not to mention that shooting for the head is usually not the perferred shot, Correct - but sometimes it's all ya got.. center mass gives you the best chance, and unless they are on top of you, the 410 is going to be lacking. With standard ammo - yes.. With the new stuff, it's a new ballgame.. Besides, it's a lot easier to miss with a single slug from a .45LC when compared to the spread from the self-defense .410 ammo.. And, there's the option of having a partial cylinder with .410, and the rest being .45LC.. Lotsa possibilities.. It's all I'm sayin'..
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Well that's why Baskin Robbins has 31 flavors of ice cream, you can get what you want. The "Judge" is just not my flavor as a self-defense gun. It may be your favorite flavor, if it is, I would suggest trying a different one.
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Ignoring that I don't believe for a minute that those "hot" .410 loads are "the stuff".....Gee Idunno - $14 for ten rounds vs $22 for 50 rounds of 230gr HP .45acp. And then there's the issue of practice ammo. I can make reloads that duplicate ballistics of carry loads for pretty cheap. I'm not even gonna entertain the idea of duplicating something like the .410 PDX.
What do those Winchester PDX projectiles weigh? 50-60 grains? At 750fps (claimed velocity on box), I am not impressed.
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OBTW - exploding melons proves nothing....except that one can be an incredible bore on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANMTKmrv_lA
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Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Well that's why Baskin Robbins has 31 flavors of ice cream, you can get what you want. Yah - as we used to say in the car biz - 'there's an azz for every seat'.. The "Judge" is just not my flavor as a self-defense gun. It may be your favorite flavor, if it is, I would suggest trying a different one. Never said it was.. Just that it's useful as one in certain circumstances, and that can be said about any handgun.. Ignoring that I don't believe for a minute that those "hot" .410 loads are "the stuff".....Gee Idunno - $14 for ten rounds vs $22 for 50 rounds of 230gr HP .45acp. And then there's the issue of practice ammo. I can make reloads that duplicate ballistics of carry loads for pretty cheap. No question - and no argument there.. What do those Winchester PDX projectiles weigh? 50-60 grains? At 750fps (claimed velocity on box), I am not impressed. I'm sure you realize that most 230 gr 45ACP loads aren't much faster.. The .45LC in a modern handgun makes the .45ACP look like a peashooter.. Note that I'm just takin' the other side here for argument's sake. As with ANY firearm there are those that like 'em, and those that don't.. Glocks for example.. There are those here who fall to their knees every night at their Glock-shrine while I wouldn't have one if it was free.. Many handguns are nearly worthless in certain situations, yet shine in others.. It's why there's a ton of various models in tons of various calibers.. Whatever pontoon floats the boat you're in works for me..
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Well that's why Baskin Robbins has 31 flavors of ice cream, you can get what you want. Yah - as we used to say in the car biz - 'there's an azz for every seat'.. The "Judge" is just not my flavor as a self-defense gun. It may be your favorite flavor, if it is, I would suggest trying a different one. Never said it was.. Just that it's useful as one in certain circumstances, and that can be said about any handgun.. Ignoring that I don't believe for a minute that those "hot" .410 loads are "the stuff".....Gee Idunno - $14 for ten rounds vs $22 for 50 rounds of 230gr HP .45acp. And then there's the issue of practice ammo. I can make reloads that duplicate ballistics of carry loads for pretty cheap. No question - and no argument there.. What do those Winchester PDX projectiles weigh? 50-60 grains? At 750fps (claimed velocity on box), I am not impressed. I'm sure you realize that most 230 gr 45ACP loads aren't much faster.. The .45LC in a modern handgun makes the .45ACP look like a peashooter.. Note that I'm just takin' the other side here for argument's sake. As with ANY firearm there are those that like 'em, and those that don't.. Glocks for example.. There are those here who fall to their knees every night at their Glock-shrine while I wouldn't have one if it was free.. Many handguns are nearly worthless in certain situations, yet shine in others.. It's why there's a ton of various models in tons of various calibers.. Whatever pontoon floats the boat you're in works for me.. Are you comparing those PDX loads to the 230gr hardball in an ACP? Travis
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It's gotta be bettern a sharp stick! You must have used some pretty schitty sharp sticks. Travis
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Lynn;
Buy it cheap. Trade it in on something worth having.
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Y'all are hilarious..
There are Bobcat .22LRs used in self defense.. .25ACPs, .32ACPs.. All will work in the right circumstances..
But a Judge? Nah - worthless as sand in the Gobi, according to the essssperts.. Nope - only a .454Casull's worth a hill o' beans, or a Bowie knife ...
(Pokin' ribs here.. ) Heheheee..
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Oh - I'm not saying the Judge is worthless. Just that there are way too many other guns I'd buy first, for whatever.
re: Comparing the PDX load with .45acp...Yes the 230gr loads generally aren't much faster - but they're 230gr, as opposed to three disk-like projectiles at maybe 60gr (?) a piece. I wouldn't even count the BB's. No comparison!
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Y'all are hilarious..
There are Bobcat .22LRs used in self defense.. .25ACPs, .32ACPs.. All will work in the right circumstances..
But a Judge? Nah - worthless as sand in the Gobi, according to the essssperts.. Nope - only a .454Casull's worth a hill o' beans, or a Bowie knife ...
(Pokin' ribs here.. ) Heheheee.. Coincidentally, the Judge is now available in 454 Casull.
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Well that's why Baskin Robbins has 31 flavors of ice cream, you can get what you want. Yah - as we used to say in the car biz - 'there's an azz for every seat'.. The "Judge" is just not my flavor as a self-defense gun. It may be your favorite flavor, if it is, I would suggest trying a different one. Never said it was.. Just that it's useful as one in certain circumstances, and that can be said about any handgun.. Ignoring that I don't believe for a minute that those "hot" .410 loads are "the stuff".....Gee Idunno - $14 for ten rounds vs $22 for 50 rounds of 230gr HP .45acp. And then there's the issue of practice ammo. I can make reloads that duplicate ballistics of carry loads for pretty cheap. No question - and no argument there.. What do those Winchester PDX projectiles weigh? 50-60 grains? At 750fps (claimed velocity on box), I am not impressed. I'm sure you realize that most 230 gr 45ACP loads aren't much faster.. The .45LC in a modern handgun makes the .45ACP look like a peashooter.. Note that I'm just takin' the other side here for argument's sake. As with ANY firearm there are those that like 'em, and those that don't.. Glocks for example.. There are those here who fall to their knees every night at their Glock-shrine while I wouldn't have one if it was free.. Many handguns are nearly worthless in certain situations, yet shine in others.. It's why there's a ton of various models in tons of various calibers.. Whatever pontoon floats the boat you're in works for me.. Are you comparing those PDX loads to the 230gr hardball in an ACP? Travis I'd rather compare your hardball to my Hornady Critical Defense 45 Colt's. One 45 to center mass followed by a Winchester to the noggin should do for most bad guys short of Bigfoot. Most of y'all that are hatin' on the Judge probably secretly have one that you get out before you go to bed and fondle.
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Oh - I'm not saying the Judge is worthless. Just that there are way too many other guns I'd buy first, for whatever.
re: Comparing the PDX load with .45acp...Yes the 230gr loads generally aren't much faster - but they're 230gr, as opposed to three disk-like projectiles at maybe 60gr (?) a piece. I wouldn't even count the BB's. No comparison! I don't think Lee is comparing one disc to a hardball load. I took it that he's saying that the discs should penetrate just as well as 45 Hardball which nobody knocks.
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I would suggest you not buying it for a good price only if someone would volunteer to stand 10ft in front of you while you unload 3 rounds into them showing you how ineffective the rounds are, heck they can even wear a leather jacket! After the smoke clears and they say "see what did I tell ya", I would then decline the sale. You can even alter the rounds .410 buck shot , slug, then 45 LC
It may not be the ideal self defense gun, but it still will work. Not a bad idea having a few (firearms) around the house in special hidden spots out of reach of your grandaughter JIC you need something right now and you are not near your main protective firearm.
So any volunteers?
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The 'Judge' ??? - - - - - - - - -
Not many circumstances where I'd want to be shooting .410 shotgun shells out of a 'rifled' handgun barrel. Even if the Judge 'was' an extremely accurate handgun, it's just too big and butt-ugly.
It's so ugly I wouldn't be able to close my eyes and sleep at night - with 'that' sleeping next to me on the night stand.
Just compare the Judge to a Ruger Vaquero in 45 Colt ... It's like 'Beauty and the Beast'.
(You can always shoot tight-grouping 45 Colt 'Shotshells' out ot the Vaquero anyway.)
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