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You do realize that every time you pull the trigger on a heavy bullet in a 30-06, you shorten your life by the same amount of time the bullet spends in the barrel?
TC I believe if thats true that your life would be longer the faster you push the bullet through the barrel. 
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I posted my 180vs.200 numbers over on the thread I started on the Elk Hunting site. The difference is about 2% which is nothing. The recoil is about 2 ft/lbs more with 200's but that is predictable. Unless like Dober said, a better chance of a pass through or with the "raking" shot......... The 200 is not flight ballistics but terminal ballistics.
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Yes--though the flight isn't bad at all!
The 200-grain Nosler Partition is perhaps the most predictable bullet I've ever used on big game. It shoots flatter than most people would guess, penetrates VERY deeply, and kills well without messing up much meat.
It's also very accurate, at least for those who play around with variables the same way they would with a supposedly more inherently accurate bullet.
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Or, one could ask what kind of pressure are we talking that allows for 2-3 rounds per case...  Honestly, most of my loads will allow for the cases to be loaded 9-10 times. Do you feel that's abbynormal? Dober Dober, You are right on track looking for a load that allows 10 firings from a case. I occasionally go to the range with some ol' boys who are retired, and have nothing better to do than hotrod the snot out of 06's. They got the moolah to go through custom barrels on a whim.....mostly 24 and 24 in bbls. I've seen some pretty amazing velocity through our chrono's with RL22--Like 2900+ fps with 180gr Sierras. It took some quizzing on my part, but they finally admitted after a few firings their cases were toast. Back in the early/mid 90's several of us had unlimited access to a Oehler M43 Ballistics Lab. My 06AI w/22 in bbl does about 2800fps with 200gr Noz Pt's and 57gr of IMR4831. Try as I might, I couldn't match that velocity with H4831. I be skeptical of 22 in bbl 06's breaking 2700fps with 200 grainers and stay under pressure. Now, if we want to ignore SAAMI max pressures, and make the 06 run the same pressures as the 30-06 Improved.......... Casey
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Seafire 10/01/07 I did some posting of testing out the 30/06 with 200 grain bullets and using H 4831 SC.. I was able to get fine accuracy and great brass life.. loading 5 cases 6 times each.. with the primer still going in tight... with a worked up load of H 4831 SC to 62.5 grains.. I got an MV of 2850 out of an Enfield.. and the same thing out of a Model 70, with a 24 inch barrel.. out of a Browning A Bolt and a Rem Model 700 with 22 inch barrels I got 2800 fps....accuracy was excellent....
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after that testing posted above.. I went further and verified to myself, that one could go 10 reloads with that load and still have a tight primer pocket on the 11th reload...
I was using Large rifle primers.. with Win and Rem 30/06 brass...
so with Lapua brass.. brass life would be.....???
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My highest velocity this past Monday was 2606 fps with an 17 shot string average of 2575fps. That was with a 200 NP with 58.5 gr. H4831 and a Fed 210. Nosler #6 has velocities on either side of 2600. My 84L has a 24" barrel. But accuracy trumps velocity for me all the time.
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My notes show that in 1990 I tested some 200 Sierra G/Ks and worked up to 60.5 grains of old H-4831 ($1.65 was on the can). I got 2730 fps out of my M.70 and 5 loadings on the cases before I decided 200 grains wasn't quite needed for 130# W/T deer.
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I calculated the recoil of a 200/2700/60gr, 175/2950/65, and a 130/3100/60 with rifle weight of 7. The numbers for the 30-06 load and the Big 7 are identical-27.5. The 270 is 18.7. Interesting.
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I calculated the recoil of a 200/2700/60gr, 175/2950/65, and a 130/3100/60 with rifle weight of 7. The numbers for the 30-06 load and the Big 7 are identical-27.5. The 270 is 18.7. Interesting. Mmmmm.......................yes, interesting.... 
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What kind of pressure are we talking here that yields 9 or 10 loads per case?
If you can't get 9 or 10 reloads per case you're flatly running too hot IME. Not particularly scientific, but true none-the-less.
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Just for the sake of interest, I was looking at my copy of Lyman's 49th addition reloading manual.. and under the 06 on page 225 is listed the following:
1. 60 grains of H4831SC, 180 grain Sierra HP, 2840 fps and 50,000 CUP.
2. 59 grs of H4831SC, 190 grain Sierra HP, 2724 fps and 47,200 CUP.
3. 58 gr of H 4831SC, 200 gr Sierra HP, 2620 fps, with a 46,300 CUP pressure..
even tho the load is compressed, noticing that the pressure is 46,000 CUP range, also notice that even tho the bullet weight has increased, the pressure is declining from the load with a 180...
so working up from the 58 grain mark, I was getting higher velocity, but it still did not hurt the brass life from Overpressurization...as tested with 10 reloads...
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[Yep! Like them whizzy bang mags. But my first rifle at 9 years old was a 30-06.
An `03 Enfield sporterized conversion my dad had converted over.
Had it for quite awhile growing up. Was a nice piece. What is an '03 Enfield exactly? Never heard of a .30-06 '03 Enfield. Sounds interesting.
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[Yep! Like them whizzy bang mags. But my first rifle at 9 years old was a 30-06.
An `03 Enfield sporterized conversion my dad had converted over.
Had it for quite awhile growing up. Was a nice piece. What is an '03 Enfield exactly? Never heard of a .30-06 '03 Enfield. Sounds interesting. ..........IIRC, it was an old Enfield military rifle made in 1903 or thereabouts, that my dad had converted over to a sporterized 30-06 hunting rifle.
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Could have been an M1 Garand? I only saw the rifle once before the conversion was done in early 1961. I remember my dad saying it was an Enfield.....Maybe it wasn`t.
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What's the optimum impact velocity for deepest penetration?
I know there are variables pertaining to different bullet designs.
speaking of a 200gr cup/core bullet in the 30-06, will 2700 fps pentrate more, or less, than the same bullet at 2500 fps, or 2300 fps?
As speed goes up, so does bullet deformation, which inhibits penetration.
Obviously bullet expansion is desired, but there must be a happy medium where balance between expansion and penetration is optimum.
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[Yep! Like them whizzy bang mags. But my first rifle at 9 years old was a 30-06.
An `03 Enfield sporterized conversion my dad had converted over.
Had it for quite awhile growing up. Was a nice piece. What is an '03 Enfield exactly? Never heard of a .30-06 '03 Enfield. Sounds interesting. ..........IIRC, it was an old Enfield military rifle made in 1903 or thereabouts, that my dad had converted over to a sporterized 30-06 hunting rifle. 1917 Enfield 1903 Springfield Two different rifles
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Could have been an M1 Garand? I only saw the rifle once before the conversion was done in early 1961. I remember my dad saying it was an Enfield.....Maybe it wasn`t. Was it a semi-auto?
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