NIKON PROSTAFF - 480 CLICKS OF CAN-DO!
 

Topic Options
#6131209 - 02/04/12 What to buy in a colt saa
foogle Offline
Campfire Regular

Registered: 12/26/05
Posts: 842
Loc: Iowa
Which to buy for some shooting and collector value in 45 colt
_________________________
"We are building a dictatorship of relativism which recoqnizes nothing as definitive and whose ultimate goal consists solely of ones own self ego and desires."Cardinal Rathzinger

Top
RV 728 BP
CLICK HERE for GREAT PRICES on LEUPOLD OPTICS at CAMERA LAND!
#6131299 - 02/04/12 Re: What to buy in a colt saa [Re: foogle]
shrapnel Offline
Campfire 'Bwana

Registered: 06/05/07
Posts: 12857
Loc: Bozeman, MT
For the best investment, a second generation Colt is the way to go. A first is also a great investment, but they are a bit pricey in any condition that you would want to shoot.

I prefer 7 1/2 inch barrels, but the 4 3/4 inch is probably the most desirable, with the 5 1/2 inch the least desirable.
_________________________
Originally Posted By: deflave
If you want to fit in with a new crowd, ask them if they know shrapnel. There is no friggin' way they won't know who that man is. He is the Chuck Norris of Montana and you will have a nice icebreaker to discuss.
Travis



Top
#6132241 - 02/04/12 Re: What to buy in a colt saa [Re: shrapnel]
bamagun01 Offline
Campfire Regular

Registered: 12/13/08
Posts: 1004
Loc: N, AL
Why would the 3rd Generation not be a good investment?
_________________________

Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he's too old to fight, he'll just shoot you!

Top
#6132400 - 02/04/12 Re: What to buy in a colt saa [Re: bamagun01]
T LEE Offline
Campfire Oracle

Registered: 02/20/01
Posts: 69406
Loc: Punta Gorda, FL
Take longer to appreciate is all.

First Gens will bring from $10,000 & up depending on caliber & barrel length.

2nd Gen will bring from $900.00 & up depending on caliber & barrel length.

3rd Gen seem to top out about $1,800.00 unless engraved but with time will eventually be a good investment.
_________________________
George Orwell was a PROPHET, not a novelist!!!

Old cat turd!



Top
#6133280 - 02/04/12 Re: What to buy in a colt saa [Re: T LEE]
Dirtfarmer Online   content
Campfire 'Bwana

Registered: 11/28/10
Posts: 13805
Loc: Central Louisiana
One of my Cowboy Action Shooting buds picked up a 2nd Gen. SAA in .38 Spec. for his wife. He got it right several years ago. Needless to say, he did good... smile

1st Gen guns are already quite expensive, although still appreciating. With any used gun, condition is everything.

3rd Gen SAA's are very nice, especially later ones with the cylinder bushing. I like those better than the early 3rd Gen. guns.

If one is just wanting to collect guns that are appreciating, I think 50's large frame S&W's are interesting, especially 5 screw pre-27's and such. They can often be found for reasonable prices, as they aren't as hot as Colts, except for the Registured Magnums.

DF

Top
#6139221 - 02/06/12 Re: What to buy in a colt saa [Re: foogle]
EthanEdwards Offline
Campfire Oracle

Registered: 11/05/05
Posts: 34379
Originally Posted By: foogle
Which to buy for some shooting and collector value in 45 colt
I have to respectfully disagree with my friend Shrapnel. I would go with a 1st generation all the way. This is leaning heavily on the "investment" side. If you are more into the shooting side, go with a 3rd.

If you go with a 1st, get one of the latter ones in the highest condition you can afford, assuming a decent price. Condition simply cannot be replaced. You can refinish, but the collector's value is generally ruined, even with a Turnbull or real Colt refinish. The latter 1st gens will have good, strong steel in them for limited shooting with smokeless loads. To keep it in top condition, I would shoot only conventional or cowboy level loads in it or the same level of good quality reloads. No black.

I just can't warm up to the 2nd's. They are great guns, but people want a lot more than a 3rd and many times, even more than 1st gens.

If you're primarily interested in shooting it, just get a 3rd. If you buy it right, it should hold its own money-wise, even if not appreciating that much.

Don't get a real old SAA and expect to shoot it a lot and maintain its condition.
_________________________
Tell those protesters to kiss my ass.

Top
#6139226 - 02/06/12 Re: What to buy in a colt saa [Re: bamagun01]
EthanEdwards Offline
Campfire Oracle

Registered: 11/05/05
Posts: 34379
Originally Posted By: bamagun01
Why would the 3rd Generation not be a good investment?


The trouble with the 3rd's is some that were fairly low-quality giving the rest a bad name. Current SAA's are considered 3rd's and from all I've seen and heard, are fine weapons. Plus they have been made in pretty large quantities.
_________________________
Tell those protesters to kiss my ass.

Top
#6140145 - 02/06/12 Re: What to buy in a colt saa [Re: EthanEdwards]
Dirtfarmer Online   content
Campfire 'Bwana

Registered: 11/28/10
Posts: 13805
Loc: Central Louisiana
Agree with Cole. Some at one time referred to the late 3rd Gen. guns with cylinder bushings as 4th Gen. The early 3rd Gen guns, IMHO, weren't as good as the "4th Gen" or current 3rd Gen guns.

For a shooter, current production should satisfy most anyone. They aren't cheap, but should hold their value fairly well, better than most guns bought new.

DF

Top
#6140605 - 02/06/12 Re: What to buy in a colt saa [Re: Dirtfarmer]
257wby Offline
Campfire Guide

Registered: 01/20/04
Posts: 2560
Loc: Minnesota
If you're going to shoot it, buy a used 3rd generation. That first shot out of a new one is going to cost someone $300-500. Might as well let someone else take on that first trigger pull.
_________________________
"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man." --Robert Duvall.
"Fill your hand, you son-of-a-bitch!" --John Wayne.

Top
#6167542 - 02/13/12 Re: What to buy in a colt saa [Re: 257wby]
bamagun01 Offline
Campfire Regular

Registered: 12/13/08
Posts: 1004
Loc: N, AL
What is considered "early" 3rd generation years? What or when did the better 3rd generations start being produced?
_________________________

Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he's too old to fight, he'll just shoot you!

Top
#6170534 - 02/13/12 Re: What to buy in a colt saa [Re: bamagun01]
Dirtfarmer Online   content
Campfire 'Bwana

Registered: 11/28/10
Posts: 13805
Loc: Central Louisiana
To me, the early 3rd Gen guns were the one without the cylinder bushing, like current and like the 1st Gen guns. I don't know exactly when that change occurred. Like I posted earlier, some tried to call these 4th Gen, as they are different. That never went over, and they're all considered to be 3rd. Gen.

Maybe someone can comment on when that change occurred. The workmanship and attention to detail seems better, at least to me, on these later guns vs. the early 3rd Gen's. Current SAA's are pretty nice. Buffing prior to case hardening and bluing seems better without dips and waves around the screw holes, etc.

DF

Top
#6171373 - 02/14/12 Re: What to buy in a colt saa [Re: Dirtfarmer]
Dirtfarmer Online   content
Campfire 'Bwana

Registered: 11/28/10
Posts: 13805
Loc: Central Louisiana
Here is a set of cowboy action, late 3rd Gen Colts in .38 Spec. Ivory by Nutmeg Sports. They were bought new by a CAS pard in Dallas, engraved by a retired Weatherby master engraver living in TX. I bought them used, then sent them to Nutmeg for the dead elephant treatment and deep dish medallions.

These guns have cylinder bushings and shoot as good as they look. The case colors on the later 3rd Gen guns look better to me than the earlier 3rd Gens, which seem to have more of a grey appearance with less color.

DF


Top
#6181358 - 02/16/12 Re: What to buy in a colt saa [Re: Dirtfarmer]
EthanEdwards Offline
Campfire Oracle

Registered: 11/05/05
Posts: 34379
Beautiful, tasteful guns.
_________________________
Tell those protesters to kiss my ass.

Top
#6189009 - 02/18/12 Re: What to buy in a colt saa [Re: EthanEdwards]
Magnumdood Offline
Campfire Outfitter

Registered: 08/08/02
Posts: 9272
Loc: Working my way back to Texas
Originally Posted By: ColeYounger
Beautiful, tasteful guns.

+1!
_________________________
9...18...27...//...819,182,736



Top
#6189035 - 02/18/12 Re: What to buy in a colt saa [Re: 257wby]
Magnumdood Offline
Campfire Outfitter

Registered: 08/08/02
Posts: 9272
Loc: Working my way back to Texas
Originally Posted By: 257wby
If you're going to shoot it, buy a used 3rd generation. That first shot out of a new one is going to cost someone $300-500. Might as well let someone else take on that first trigger pull.

Like signing on the dotted line for a new car. As soon as you sign the contract, and its yours and the finance company's, the resale value is immediately 5% less than what you purchased it for. Dang New-In-The-Box guns, guns that have never been handled by you...at ALL...would be hard to sell for what you paid unless you got a heck of a deal.

I would exempt 1st gen Colt SAA's from that rule; I think if you care for it and shoot it sparingly, in 5 years you could still recover your money plus some, provided you didn't pay too much to begin with.
_________________________
9...18...27...//...819,182,736



Top
#6201847 - 02/21/12 Re: What to buy in a colt saa [Re: Dirtfarmer]
Stetson Offline
Campfire Tracker

Registered: 01/24/04
Posts: 6004
Originally Posted By: Dirtfarmer
The early 3rd Gen guns, IMHO, weren't as good as the "4th Gen" or current 3rd Gen guns.


I would certainly agree with that. Not so long very few wanted 3rd generation Colts. I'd still much rather have a USFA or Ruger as a shooter but nothing beats the historical or intrinsic value of a first generation Colt. Even those that were rode hard and used well have appreciated a lot of the last several years.

Dave

Top
#6215102 - 02/24/12 Re: What to buy in a colt saa [Re: bamagun01]
ElmerKeith Offline
Member

Registered: 06/04/05
Posts: 81
Loc: Teutoburger Wald, Germany
According to Don Wilkerson's book "The Post War Single Action Army 1976-1986" the seperateable cylinder bushing was dropped in favor to the press fitted cylinder bushing because of lower production costs. But also according to him the seperate cylinder bushing wasn't necessary anymore because of better quality of the steel used to produce the cylinders in the 3rd Gen. Colt SAA. In former times it was less expensive to change a cylinder bushing instead of a complete cylinder when due to a steel made of less quality the cylinder was worn out and had a loose fit to the base pin. (Hope I expressed myself correctly - I'm from Germany).
So that is the reason why I won't hesitate to buy an early but not too early 3rd. Gen. Colt SAA.

Interesting for those who would like to buy a Colt SAA is this page:

http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/admin/show_inventory.php?catID=13
_________________________
Elmer Keith

Top
#6216677 - 02/24/12 Re: What to buy in a colt saa [Re: ElmerKeith]
Dirtfarmer Online   content
Campfire 'Bwana

Registered: 11/28/10
Posts: 13805
Loc: Central Louisiana
I've dealt with Collectors for years, many deals, but never a Colt. I've always thought they overpriced their SAA's, as well as other guns wearing that brand.

Better places to buy a Colt, unless they happen to have a certain piece you can't live without.

DF


Edited by Dirtfarmer (02/24/12)

Top
#6313130 - 03/20/12 Re: What to buy in a colt saa [Re: Dirtfarmer]
TwentyTwo Offline
Campfire Regular

Registered: 02/12/04
Posts: 446
ElmerKeith:

Thank you for posting the link to the Collectors' Firearms web site. Some of the detailed photographs of various pieces are extraordinary!

Top
#6511577 - 05/17/12 Re: What to buy in a colt saa [Re: bamagun01]
aaronnobu Offline
New Member

Registered: 05/10/12
Posts: 2
Quick-drying materials and extra venting keep you and your baby cool, calm and collected. The waist belt and shoulder straps have extra inches of padding to suit a wider range of babywearers.


ergo baby Australia
ergo baby carrier Australia

Top

Moderator:  RickBin, SYSOP 
RV 180 2
CLICK HERE for HUGE SAVINGS on VORTEX OPTICS at CAMERA LAND!
RV 160 1 2
RV 160 2 2
CLICK HERE for GREAT SAVINGS on SUPERB TAMRON LENSES from CAMERA LAND!
Who's Online
508 registered (007FJ, 117LBS, 10gaugeman, 1234, 17_wizzer, 1beaver_shooter, 66 invisible), 991 Guests and 327 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
RV 160 3 2
Forum Stats
53,269 Registered Members
72 Forums
687,515 Topics
9,931,155 Posts

Most users ever online: 4,830 @ 12/02/14










Copyright © 2000-2015 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved.