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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
With factory loads at ranges up to 300 yards there isn't enough difference between the .264 and .270 to make the .264 worthwhile, due to the relative lack of factory .264 ammo.
Very true - and availability of factory ammo is of natural concern..

Look - not trying to start this big argument - just trying to give the OP some rather pertinent info as to what he has now, and what he's possibly looking to do..

IIWH, I'd keep that XTR.. Now, if this was all reversed and he had an XTR in .270, and was looking to trade for a .264WM (again assuming all things inside 300 yards) he'd still be better off keeping what that .270 and not trading.. For many of the reasons stated above; and certainly due to the no doubt limited availability of .264 ammo..


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More ammo available is one reason. Important if you don't reload.

Both good calibers. The .264 has the advantage for long shots.


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I gotta figure out how to be gay real quick� I got a big herd of .270's blush



it looks like you already figured it out. grin


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The 270 win and 264 Win are cartridges not calibers.

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I don't think that the 264 mag has much advantage. Do the trajectory comparison using MPBR at any size target you want, just the same for both. When both were sighted in dead on at 200yds, the difference at 300yds was about .5". That will not even loose you a cotton tail rabbit! The 264 will certainly still win but, the difference at real hunting ranges is so small as not to matter. The MPBR of both will be very close to the same, no real advantage to either. Beyond that neither has a real advantage either. Once you have left the range where to bullet drops so much as to require a hold over, what difference does the hold over make so long as the bullet has the ability to do its job when it gets there.

I cannot understand the manure of "good to 500yds" when you could probably kill an elk at 500 yds with a 30-30, if you hit it right. Also why worry about the 400-500 shot anyway? How many opertunites have you had at that range that you could not close that range a bunch? I doubt even one unless your just looking to take shots like that. All the plus's of the 140gr or even 130gr of the 264 over the 270 go away when you limit the range to 300yds or less. The real advantages of BC are not going to be realized till somewhere beyond 500 yds when the better BC bullet is over taking the lower one. At some point the better BC bullet will equal the lesser but you'll still have to hold over with both!

These discussion's make me think about a guy wanting one car over the other because it's a lot faster but both have the ability to get you a big fine. What's the point?

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Originally Posted by extremesolo
Rancho, the following is what I have right now. I currently own a 7mm-08, 25-06, 450 marlin, 30-30, 35 rem, 300 WM, .223, .243, 338 federal and the .264 WM. Not alot of standard calibers so that is why I was thinking of adding one or two.


I'm yet read everyone's posts but you asked if it's worth keeping the .264 over the .270. My answer is it's worth owning both depending on what rifle you might want to add.

Rancho asked you what "rifles you own" and you certainly have the bases covered with your choice in cartridges....but depending on what rifle you own in 25-06, adding the .270 might be moot!

With a .264WM and a .300WM already in your stable, everything thing else is merely for "fun". You might add to the fun by dumping the 450 and 35 remington and invest in some reloading gear!

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I don't think that the 264 mag has much advantage.


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Originally Posted by SU35
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I don't think that the 264 mag has much advantage.


And another armchair QB shares his vast experience with us.


John said the same thing. He's hardly an armchair quarterback.


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I'm glad I didn't read this thread before I shot some animals with a 270 300-400 yards away..... grin




The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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No kidding, Bob. Good thing you didn't know you had a rifle that was totally inadequate, and it made you gay besides! smile


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The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Originally Posted by extremesolo
I know everyone gets tired of all of these cartridge comparison posts but I need someone to justify a new rifle for me. I currently have a model 70 XTR .264 and recently I have been considering buying a few standard calibers. Most of my rifles are not readily available at your local wal mart. I have been shooting nosler ammo (130 accubonds) from my .264 and I see that the 130 accubond from a .270 is only 25 fps slower. I am not currently a reloader so I am forced to shoot factory ammo. I can also buy .270 shells for considerably less than .264 ammo. Is there really any benefit to owning the .264 over the .270 when the vast majority of my shots are well under 300 yards. I am thinking of selling or trading my .264 for a nice .270 or even a .308. I think the .264 is a "cooler" cartridge but is there really any good reasons to keep it over the .270? I just read on here the other day that you have to be gay to use a .270 so that is one reason why I am not sure I want one I was just wondering if there were any other reasons? Thanks.


Sell that .264 to Northern Dave and buy something in caliber for which ammo is available at Walmart. Calibers like .270, .30-06 and 7mm Remington Magnum come to mind.

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Calibers like .270, .30-06 and 7mm Remington Magnum come to mind.


The 270, 30-06 and 7mm Remington Magnum aren't calibers.

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Originally Posted by SU35
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Calibers like .270, .30-06 and 7mm Remington Magnum come to mind.


The 270, 30-06 and 7mm Remington Magnum aren't calibers.
No but they'll all do anything a .264 will inside 300 yards and a whole bunch cheaper and more conveniently for a factory load shooter.

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Originally Posted by Redneck
Yeah, let's compare.. I just ran two factory offerings through the Sierra Infinity-6 program.. The 150 gr Remington .270 vs. the 130 grain Nosler .264WM..

At 400 yards, with 200 yard zero, (just to pick one):

.270 Rem = 872.8 ft/# energy, and drops 27.49 inches

.264WM Nosler = 1375.1 ft/# energy and drops 21.85"


But....

We gotta campare bullets of roughly equal Sd--140 in the 264, 150 in the 270 for example. And equal bbl lengths, and max SAAMI pressures.

The 264 still wins (most of the time), but not by much.


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It's especially the 'ticket' when shooting beanfield country.. smile smile



As nearly everyone knows, I'm a bit (well, maybe more than a bit) biased toward the .264.. Just thought I better make that note.. .. laugh laugh


Remember when the "beanfield" thing was the rage?--I built me a 270 with a 25 inch Douglas bbl--it thinks it's a 270Wthby.........or maybe a 264WM........

Of course, the only time I ever employed it for its intended use was a Georgia whitetail-----over a peanut field.



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Who's hotter...Oprah or Michelle Obama?


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Originally Posted by ltppowell
Who's hotter...Oprah or Michelle Obama?


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Sorry, I was just making an analogy. To most of us, they look the same and we have no interest in either. To their fans, I'm sure there is a huge difference.


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Originally Posted by ltppowell
Who's hotter...Oprah or Michelle Obama?


You'll have to pick a different word than "hotter".


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