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Never mind...reading on, looks like im way behind here...moral...stay away from cheep junk
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Thanks for following up Steve NO. Good to know it was an end-user fubar and not a manufacturing issue.
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So, where'd the lawyer go?
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if i asked for a gun and you refused to order it, i would walk out and never come back again. your job is to sell me a gun, not be Obama and tell me what i REALLY want. I missed this fr some reason back when it was posted... But the ATR has come back up and I need to respond to this comment... I transfer guns for friends for free. If you decide not to inconvenience me because of your own horrible taste I can live with that!  Gene L asked why I refuse to deal with Mossberg and that is simply because they sponsored Buck McNeeley and refused to dump him even after Buck got popped for same day airborne caribou hunting here in AK. After it was pointed out how Buck was spinning a Mossberg shotgun muzzle into a concrete pad while talking to the audience they refused to even respond... And there are other reasons atop the junk factor. art
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Well worth the read if you are interested in this injury case...
http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/florida/flmdce/8:2007cv00262/190822/185/
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I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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Changing SNs...or getting friends, family, and employees to help?! CLass act. Well worth the read if you are interested in this injury case...
http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/florida/flmdce/8:2007cv00262/190822/185/
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The link worked for me. You have to down load the PDF.
"According to Willey, a second incident involving the gun being thrown resulted in
a long rod inside the bolt action, including springs and half-moon washers, falling out of the
rifle."
If there were such parts inside the bolt it would lead credence to this guys story.
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The guy took the bolt apart trying to "smooth it up" & "fix it" (sounds like a tweaker) Also hitting it with a hammer to get the bolt closed??? (also sounds like a tweaker) Wasn't legally entitled to own a gun because of his criminal background? (more tweaking?  ) Neighbor testified they were drunk every day before 8:00 AM. Plaintiff testified he couldn't remember if he got [bleep] up on the day it happened??? IMO the plaintiff & his girlfriend should both be sitting somewhere in bright orange jumpsuits thinking about the lifestyle they're pursuing... Not sitting in a courtroom looking at collecting "Damages" from a situation they created...
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A total of 3 men have suffered extensive injury from the Mossberg 100 ATR (which is a bolt action rifle). The assembly pin (sometimes referred to as the bolt head pin or retaining pin) is breaking. The gun will then fire when the locking lugs are not locked causing the gun to blow a user's face off. This happened to two of the men --and both were airlifted to a local trauma center, and the third has injuries to his hand. I am set for trial in April in Tampa Florida. Any information/input would be welcomed. Over the last two years I have learned alot but am always trying to understand all this a little better. This is a lie...
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The guy took the bolt apart trying to "smooth it up" & "fix it" (sounds like a tweaker) Also hitting it with a hammer to get the bolt closed??? (also sounds like a tweaker) Wasn't legally entitled to own a gun because of his criminal background? (more tweaking? ) Neighbor testified they were drunk every day before 8:00 AM. Plaintiff testified he couldn't remember if he got [bleep] up on the day it happened??? IMO the plaintiff & his girlfriend should both be sitting somewhere in bright orange jumpsuits thinking about the lifestyle they're pursuing... Not sitting in a courtroom looking at collecting "Damages" from a situation they created... Darwin nominee.....
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A total of 3 men have suffered extensive injury from the Mossberg 100 ATR (which is a bolt action rifle). The assembly pin (sometimes referred to as the bolt head pin or retaining pin) is breaking. The gun will then fire when the locking lugs are not locked causing the gun to blow a user's face off. This happened to two of the men --and both were airlifted to a local trauma center, and the third has injuries to his hand. I am set for trial in April in Tampa Florida. Any information/input would be welcomed. Over the last two years I have learned alot but am always trying to understand all this a little better. This is a lie... You are the one that is lying, because one of them is the son of a man that I went to school with
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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The link worked for me. You have to down load the PDF.
"According to Willey, a second incident involving the gun being thrown resulted in
a long rod inside the bolt action, including springs and half-moon washers, falling out of the
rifle."
If there were such parts inside the bolt it would lead credence to this guys story.
This link will work , but doesn't as posted above if I try to clink on it Link
Last edited by jwp475; 02/17/12.
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Still don't believe any of this.
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Stick your head in the sand, the young man that I know needed reconstructive face surgery.
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Horrible, I will never buy one and advise against it as well.
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After reading that court document, I wouldn't award the plaintiff anything but another ATR!
That idiot is a perfect example of morale hazard. Bet he can't get insurance either!
I can't believe he actually hammered the bolt back in! And the gunsmith testified that would be a symptom of improper assembly/damage.
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In my opinion all guns should be sold with a tag that reads "buyer assumes all risks".
The first thing everyone does when they buy a new rifle is they start tweaking or they think they are a certified gunsmith and start hammering the bolt back in. whether it be adjusting the triggers, polishing a bolt smothing the lugs or cooking up some reloads; all risks associated with these common practices are NOT the manufacturers problem. YOU DID IT, NOW LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES. Quit trying to blame someone else for your lapse in good judgement. one other thing, Beer and guns do not mix. It's fine by me if you want to go to camp and get drunk but stay away from the firearms.
I believe in the owners manuals it does say problems with the firearm should be handled by a certified gunsmith. doubt the guy was a certified gunsmith that hammered the bolt back in. case dismised.
Seems we constantly hear about how Social Security is going to run out of money but we never hear about welfare or food stamps running out of money. What's interesting is the first group WORKED for their money but the other group didn't.
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The gentleman that I personally know did nothing but purchase the rifle and factory ammo and the sight the rifle in and go hunting. He shoots a deer (killed BtW) and the bolt flies out and hits him in the face
Hardly see how it is his fault
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Still don't believe any of this. What you "believe" doesn't matter at all.....the design is lousy.A broken or missing pin is completely foreseeable,in which case the locking lugs would not engage;nevermind that it is likely a cheap hunk of metal,likely to break or fall out.....I mean the lugs would not engage when the bolt handle was turned down!What a complete piece of junk..... In addition, there was testimony the rifle would still fire without the lugs engaging,sort of reminiscent of the old Ross rifle,or the old two piece firing pin of the original Springfield.Bad design. Even a drunken,incompetent stiff shouldn't have to suffer having his face blown off by a cheap design of that type.Mossberg will likely get what they deserve for putting crap like that on the market.
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