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#6193544 - 02/19/12 Re: Highly Customized Turkey Shotguns; What Do You Run? [Re: Magnumdood]
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I've got a .660 as well but liked the patterns of the .670 a little better. I like a little more open pattern myself.
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#6194228 - 02/19/12 Re: Highly Customized Turkey Shotguns; What Do You Run? [Re: 01Foreman400]
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Have a couple. Bought a Winchester 1300 NWTF back in 88' (I believe) when they came out for the one year. Laminated stock and forearm. I have since put removable water based camo on the rest. Has killed it's share of turkeys.

Also have a couple Remington Special Purpose in 12 and 20 gauge like the one below.

All have Kick's Gobbling Thunder chokes installed with fiber optics.







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#6194759 - 02/19/12 Re: Highly Customized Turkey Shotguns; What Do You Run? [Re: renegade50]
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Originally Posted By: renegade50
i sold my mossy 835
had tru glo pro series sights
sims pad
polished the bore
rhino .680 choke with nitro ray 501L 3.5 inch 4c5c7h 2 5/8ths oz shell


was a turkey slaying machine


needed the money badly


guy got an heck of a deal for 350 dollars

with 15 nitro shells included



got another mossy 835 a couple of months ago
gonna set it up with the same sights
polish the bore out


no sims pad for it this time
the factory pad on this newer gun seems better than what was on them before

and the .670 strut stopper extreme with the 3.5 mag blend shells
easy to get the shells right down the road at midsouth shooters supply

should be good to go for turkey this spring


I also have the Mossberg 835- It's not so much 'customized', as specialized for its purpose, out of the box. I run Remington turkey loads, 3.5" 12 ga. #5 shot in it. It has accounted for 6 toms to date, all in the 20-40 yard range.
Only thing I don't care for is the rear sight- kinda flimsy, and easy to knock off center if you are not careful.
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#6196335 - 02/20/12 Re: Highly Customized Turkey Shotguns; What Do You Run? [Re: 01Foreman400]
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Originally Posted By: 01Foreman400
I've got a .660 as well but liked the patterns of the .670 a little better. I like a little more open pattern myself.

I like the option of going really long if I need to; I'm getting close to a 80%~90% pellet count inside a 10" circle at 40 yards. But, my pattern isn't much larger than a softball at 20yds~25yds. Not much room for error if one sneaks up on me.
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#6196502 - 02/20/12 Re: Highly Customized Turkey Shotguns; What Do You Run? [Re: Magnumdood]
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80-90% in the 10" @ 40yds. Really!!?? Even with 18 g/cc tungsten, which you said you shoot, I only average about 50% in the 10 with a .665". That's with #8s which tend to pattern a little tighter than the #9s from my experience. I consider a good, broadly effective pattern to yield to a 40yd pattern of 45% in the 10" and another 40% in the 20".

Personally, I like the #9s as either will kill as far as 99.9% would consider and it allows me to open the choke (.670") a bit and larger patterns yet still get 100 in the 10 to 70yds.

Using your 10ga, how much shot are you throwing? I assume you're going something like 2.25oz and shooting #8s or #9s. Otherwise, why not just shoot a 12ga. Yes?

So, you're getting something like 450 and 640 pellets with #8s and #9s, respectively, in the 10" at 40yd, assuming the low end (80%) of your estimate. I've never heard or seen anything like that before. I can't imagine getting to those percentages with lead, or 13g (Hevi-13) or 15g (Federal HW) shot. All I can say is you're consistently getting 80-90% @ 40yd is you're ready for the NWTF championships. You'd beat the best 2-3X over. Just sayin'...



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#6196595 - 02/20/12 Re: Highly Customized Turkey Shotguns; What Do You Run? [Re: 01Foreman400]
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01Foreman400,

That's a very nice looking rig! Like you, I've come to appreciate the merits of a slightly more open choke. I've used and like the Rhino .660" very much, but I like the uniformity to 15" with the .670" in my Vincis. I just bought a Jeb's in .665 and .670" and the .670" is throwing the prettiest I've ever had, although all barrels are a bit different.

I'd like to hear from your experience on that big Nitro load. From what I've heard, it was mainly made for the Mossbergs and can be fickle in others. I can see the the merits of that load with a relatively open choke with #7s. You could create a big, forgiving pattern to 45yd or so by throwing that much shot. I could appreciate going with #6s with a bit more constriction and taking longer pokes at toms.

BlueK9


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#6197141 - 02/20/12 Re: Highly Customized Turkey Shotguns; What Do You Run? [Re: BlueK9]
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Originally Posted By: BlueK9
80-90% in the 10" @ 40yds. Really!!?? Even with 18 g/cc tungsten, which you said you shoot, I only average about 50% in the 10 with a .665". That's with #8s which tend to pattern a little tighter than the #9s from my experience. I consider a good, broadly effective pattern to yield to a 40yd pattern of 45% in the 10" and another 40% in the 20".

Personally, I like the #9s as either will kill as far as 99.9% would consider and it allows me to open the choke (.670") a bit and larger patterns yet still get 100 in the 10 to 70yds.

Using your 10ga, how much shot are you throwing? I assume you're going something like 2.25oz and shooting #8s or #9s. Otherwise, why not just shoot a 12ga. Yes?

So, you're getting something like 450 and 640 pellets with #8s and #9s, respectively, in the 10" at 40yd, assuming the low end (80%) of your estimate. I've never heard or seen anything like that before. I can't imagine getting to those percentages with lead, or 13g (Hevi-13) or 15g (Federal HW) shot. All I can say is you're consistently getting 80-90% @ 40yd is you're ready for the NWTF championships. You'd beat the best 2-3X over. Just sayin'...


I load 2 oz of #4 Tungsten, with 30 grains of filler over 34 grains of STEEL with the accompanying felt to get the shot & filler right to the top and then crimp.

With regard to the NWTF championships, I know the top shooters and I'm not worthy of cleaning their shotguns after each flight.
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#6197236 - 02/20/12 Re: Highly Customized Turkey Shotguns; What Do You Run? [Re: Magnumdood]
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Interesting choice. There'd only be about 160 pellets in that load given the density. I'd have enough penetration to kill at 100yd+. A common rule of thumb with HTL shot, including tungsten, is patterns degrade by 30% every 10yd beyond 40yd. I've found that to be more or less accurate out to 70yd, but haven't patterned beyond that range.

Your load is good only to 50-55yd before density thins to 100 pellets in the 10" if that rule of thumb holds true. Of course, you may have an outlier there as I've never heard of any load that will consistently deliver 80-90% in the 10" at 40yd. I've had a few loads at 60% during summer dog days when temps are in the low- to mid-80s early in the morning with humidity levels over 80% and no wind -- essentially when the air is thinnest and most stable.

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#6198889 - 02/20/12 Re: Highly Customized Turkey Shotguns; What Do You Run? [Re: BlueK9]
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I had a 30" barrel honed by Denny Tubbs so there are no imperfections in the bore and the I.D. is consistent. I also had the barrel cryoed and then I coated the bore with UBC. Denny also machined a choke (also cryoed) for me that was made to go with the wad I use (TPS). In fact, I had everything metal in my SP-10 cryo-treated. I killed a Jake last year with it on the last day at 68 yards. I hit him once in the head and twice in the neck. I couldn't find any in the body.

It is true, the pellet count is awful low when you compare it to a lead payload, but the HTL shot patterns more consistently than lead with a higher % of the load staying in the center of the pattern.
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#6199381 - 02/21/12 Re: Highly Customized Turkey Shotguns; What Do You Run? [Re: BlueK9]
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Originally Posted By: BlueK9
...you may have an outlier there as I've never heard of any load that will consistently deliver 80-90% in the 10" at 40yd...

A dubious statitician or college prof...
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#6204655 - 02/22/12 Re: Highly Customized Turkey Shotguns; What Do You Run? [Re: Magnumdood]
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Originally Posted By: Magnumdood
I had a 30" barrel honed by Denny Tubbs so there are no imperfections in the bore and the I.D. is consistent. I also had the barrel cryoed and then I coated the bore with UBC. Denny also machined a choke (also cryoed) for me that was made to go with the wad I use (TPS). In fact, I had everything metal in my SP-10 cryo-treated. I killed a Jake last year with it on the last day at 68 yards. I hit him once in the head and twice in the neck. I couldn't find any in the body.

It is true, the pellet count is awful low when you compare it to a lead payload, but the HTL shot patterns more consistently than lead with a higher % of the load staying in the center of the pattern.


This is why I found your choice of #4s curious. Frankly, you were very, very lucky to get that many pellets in him at 68yd with #4s given the likely pattern density. Yes, tungsten will pattern tighter, on average, compared to lead other HTL shot. However, it's not enough to overcome the fact that you're shooting #4s of 18g shot, which has far few pellets per ounce than lead.

Why not go with #8s or #9s? To me, and everyone else that I know who shoots tungsten, that's the whole point of going that direction -- dropping shot size to increase pattern density and still retain adequate penetration at extended range. Tungsten #8s offer adequate penetration to 90+yd and #9s to nearly 75yd. Why handcuff yourself with #4s?


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#6204756 - 02/22/12 Re: Highly Customized Turkey Shotguns; What Do You Run? [Re: BlueK9]
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This is why I found your choice of #4s curious. Frankly, you were very, very lucky to get that many pellets in him at 68yd with #4s given the likely pattern density. Yes, tungsten will pattern tighter, on average, compared to lead other HTL shot. However, it's not enough to overcome the fact that you're shooting #4s of 18g shot, which has far few pellets per ounce than lead.

Why not go with #8s or #9s? To me, and everyone else that I know who shoots tungsten, that's the whole point of going that direction -- dropping shot size to increase pattern density and still retain adequate penetration at extended range. Tungsten #8s offer adequate penetration to 90+yd and #9s to nearly 75yd. Why handcuff yourself with #4s?



Agreed. The whole point of shooting TSS is to drop down to small sized shot like 8's in order to get amazing pattern density without the penetration limitations you would normally suffer with number 8 lead shot. No doubt a TSS number 4 pellet would kill a turkey a hell of a ways out there if it hit a lethal spot but 4's just aren't going to hold a dense pattern nearly as far as 7's, 8's or 9's. So all that energy and power of a TSS 4 is pretty much rendered irrelevant because the pattern with 4's is going to fall apart waaaaaay before the individual number 4 pellets run out of lethal energy. TSS 8's or 9's will hold a lethal pattern way farther than the 4's and kill just as far as they will hold a tight enough pattern.

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#6207918 - 02/22/12 Re: Highly Customized Turkey Shotguns; What Do You Run? [Re: Todd_Bradford]
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I can't refute anything either of you've said. Hal asked me the same question when I ordered the #4 shot. Luckily, I have a good supply of #7.5 TSS I bought from the web-site while he was closing out his business. I also have several pounds of #5 TSS.
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#6208075 - 02/22/12 Re: Highly Customized Turkey Shotguns; What Do You Run? [Re: prairie dog shooter]
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Put a slip-on recoil pad on it-one of the hardest kickers I've owned. A Merkel 12 gauge.
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#6258285 - 03/06/12 Re: Highly Customized Turkey Shotguns; What Do You Run? [Re: MnFn]
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Not really "highly customized", but I've killed...a bunch...of toms with it.

20 Enore Turkey Shotgun w/Aimpoint, and Bellm worked trigger. Factory choke for all but last years birds. I bought into the hype, and tried an Indian Creek.


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#6258851 - 03/06/12 Re: Highly Customized Turkey Shotguns; What Do You Run? [Re: yukonal]
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Glad you ended that 'yote's career of predation.
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#6259489 - 03/06/12 Re: Highly Customized Turkey Shotguns; What Do You Run? [Re: Magnumdood]
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She was putting the sneaky sneak on "Henrietta" when she recieved a load of 5's in the ear at 15 yards. grin
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#6294387 - 03/15/12 Re: Highly Customized Turkey Shotguns; What Do You Run? [Re: yukonal]
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Mine came pretty well set up out of the box:
Ithaca Model 37 Turketslayer Storm,12g, 3", Realtree HD Hardwoods Camo, parjerrized,Limbsaver pad,24" ported, free floated barrel,Truglo adjustable sight, 6.75lbs. Shooting Nitro 4x5x7 Hevi-Shot. It will kick some turkey azz!




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#6299797 - 03/16/12 Re: Highly Customized Turkey Shotguns; What Do You Run? [Re: prairie dog shooter]
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About the only customizing I have ever done to any of my turkey guns is maybe putting a different fiber optic bead on the end of the barrel or adding a indian creek choke to each gun. Besides a good cleaning these two items are all the "customization" I have ever needed to kill a turkey. I have went to H13 ammo and that has also helped my turkey guns shoot better.
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#6322563 - 03/22/12 Re: Highly Customized Turkey Shotguns; What Do You Run? [Re: Turkeykiller12]
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The Ithaca scored again last week. It took 3 hours and 4 set ups ,but I finally got him.



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#6324293 - 03/23/12 Re: Highly Customized Turkey Shotguns; What Do You Run? [Re: Cruiser1]
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20 is a Rem 870 that started as a youth 21" barrel with Rem Super Full. Stock replaced with Knoxx SpecOps, forearm for synthetic, barrel polished, end cap replace with sling swivel, Limbsaver recoil pad, receiver drilled and tapped with rail, and Burris Fast Fire II with Warbird guard.

12 is a 24" barrel with Indian Creek .665 choke. Stock replaced with SureGrip, receiver drilled and tapped with rail, topped with a Burris FF II with Warbird guard, and tree bark dip job. Killed 9 birds with it last year. Almost wasn't fair with 2oz TSS #9 loads.





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#6338327 - 03/27/12 Re: Highly Customized Turkey Shotguns; What Do You Run? [Re: Dawn2Dusk]
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Old 870 12 gauge with a slightly shortened barrel and Briley turkey choke.
Scope and sling swivels.
Not highly customized, but can't remember it missing with me or anyone else.

JCC

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