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I am contemplating-saving for my next scope purchase.I own 2 Zeiss scopes, a Conquest and a Diavari MC.I really like them.I don't have any experience with high end Zeiss.
I think the 1.5-6X range would be great as most of my hunting shots are under 200 yards with over 90% under 100 and in timber.
I think I am correct that this scope is FFP.I would like to know how well the FFP reticle works for close, fast moving shots.Also which reticle would be best for that application.Basically,I've never even looked at a FFP scope.I want to make sure the reticle would be heavy enough for the close moving shots.I've seen pictures on the web of different FFP scopes and don't think there would be any problem at longer ranges with the reticle being too thick.
I was thinking the #4 would be fine for close work but I also might want something with hold over points for the rare 300-400 yard shot.After all, isn't that the beauty of owning a FFP?
On the other hand I don't want the view too cluttered when I have to think fast at close range.I need reticle advice and also advice if this scope is a good choice for my needs.
Thanks for helping a mostly Leupold owner out.
Randy
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I am contemplating-saving for my next scope purchase.I own 2 Zeiss scopes, a Conquest and a Diavari MC.I really like them.I don't have any experience with high end Zeiss.
I think the 1.5-6X range would be great as most of my hunting shots are under 200 yards with over 90% under 100 and in timber.
I think I am correct that this scope is FFP.I would like to know how well the FFP reticle works for close, fast moving shots.Also which reticle would be best for that application.Basically,I've never even looked at a FFP scope.I want to make sure the reticle would be heavy enough for the close moving shots.I've seen pictures on the web of different FFP scopes and don't think there would be any problem at longer ranges with the reticle being too thick.
I was thinking the #4 would be fine for close work but I also might want something with hold over points for the rare 300-400 yard shot.After all, isn't that the beauty of owning a FFP?
On the other hand I don't want the view too cluttered when I have to think fast at close range.I need reticle advice and also advice if this scope is a good choice for my needs.
Thanks for helping a mostly Leupold owner out.
Randy You will never be satisfied with a Leupy again. If you buy one it is unlikely to be your last one. I have three of that Zeiss, One Swaro, One Meopta and one S & B. All FFP scopes. The S & B is a modified #4 German reticle, the rest are duplex. I have killed deer with them from 25 feet to almost 300 yards. I am very certain that for Minnesota deer hunting there is not really anything better and precious dam little even close. For low light work there is nothing better.
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Agree - once you get one you'll never go back to anything else.
That said I'd try to find a 2.5-10x42.
Personally i gain more out of having more top end than i do less low end.
At 2.5x i am pretty sure i can shoot anything just as fast and just as close as 1.5x and i like to have a little more than 6x on the top end.
Other than the power range i am 99% sure the scopes are absolutely identical.
There is another thread here in the optics forum on the virtues of the 2.5-10x42 Diavari that has gotten some traffic recently.
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I have one of these on a Montana, with a #8 reticle.
The 2.5 - 10 would probably have served just as well. The 6 x is enough for the extended ranges I shoot. The reticle is heavy enough for early morning/evening close moving shote, for my purposes. The field of view on 1.5 or 2 x is enormous.
There are clicky bits under the scope caps, if shooting out to longer ranges.
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I have both 1.5-6 and 2.5-10 Diavari's. Either the German #4 or #8 reticle will serve you well. Both are very bold and dark. Stand out very well, especially when the light fades.
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I also have both in Swarovski and LOVE those two powers. I personally wouldn't shoot past 175 on the 1.5x6. I prefer the heavier reticles...
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I personally wouldn't shoot past 175 on the 1.5x6 Why not?
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I need a little more mag for MY eyes.
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Does that mean you have marginal vision, or is it just a matter of taste?
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Some like more, some less. I use a wide variety of scopes. I shoot out to 300 yards with 6x scopes on 4" dot targets. After that, deer look pretty big. 
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i used to do that also. Now my eyes start to play games after the 175 mark... I have spent bunches on scopes thinking it was the scope! LOL Now I have a safe full of all high end optics cuz my eyes are not so great. Does'nt go so well with the wife though...
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i used to do that also. Now my eyes start to play games after the 175 mark... I have spent bunches on scopes thinking it was the scope! LOL Now I have a safe full of all high end optics cuz my eyes are not so great. Does'nt go so well with the wife though... You are not alone. Age can be a bitch. Also don't forget there are wife dollars, and real dollars. Only men know the difference.
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Trust me, I have plenty REAL ones down the barrels of many 12gauges... I always get asked HOW I got the new gun, scope or binos! That's funny stuff Tophet1...
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I carried a 1.5-6x42 S&B for 15 years.
I used what they called at that time a 4a.
Running jumping or standing, deer were in deep doodoo to well over 400 yards.
Hard to beat a 1.5-6.
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Got a Kahles 1.5-6x42 Helia L in new condition that came on a Sako I bought that has never been fired. Good looking scope,nice glass and build quality. Trying to decide whether to keep it or sell it. I normally carry more magnification,but its a nice scope.
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