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#6204993 - 02/21/12 08:43 PM Rainier Hollow Points won't feed in my 1911
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Fellas,

I could use some help:

I recently bought some Rainier Plated HPs and loaded them up. I have tried two different COL's (1.215" and 1.200") and have gotten the same problem: The first round out of the magazine won't feed. It goes forward until it jams against the top of the feed ramp at the base of the chamber.

Everything else has fed just slick--factory ammo of all kinds, Berry's plated, cast lead flat points, cast lead round nose, and SWC. Bullet weights from 185 gr to 230 gr all feed fine. The only problem I've had is with the Rainier 230gr Hex HP as stated above.

I've tried with several proven magazines. The mags and the gun are clean. My other pet load (230gr cast lead TCBB from Penn at 1.215") still feed/function fine.

I made a couple dummy rounds just to see if a different OAL would make a difference. Longer rounds didn't change anything. Shortening up to 1.185" to 1.190" made things a lot better. They go into battery, but not by a lot.

So...a couple questions:

1. Can I take loaded ammo and seat the bullet deeper and then re-crimp or am I going to blow myself up?

2. Any other ideas regarding this bullet to feed?


Thanks all!
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#6205090 - 02/21/12 09:20 PM Re: Rainier Hollow Points won't feed in my 1911 [Re: Waders]
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Here is an idea for you, use that stuff as is at the 24hrcf Bowling pin shoot! smile
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#6205113 - 02/21/12 09:31 PM Re: Rainier Hollow Points won't feed in my 1911 [Re: safariman]
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Maybe you'd like me to shoot my Sig .380 instead of my .45! smile
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#6205173 - 02/21/12 10:03 PM Re: Rainier Hollow Points won't feed in my 1911 [Re: Waders]
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I would seat a few of them deeper, so that the entire bearing surface is inside the case and the ogive starts at the case mouth. Assuming you have used a taper crimp, you should be able to seat loaded rounds deeper and recrimp. As long as you are not already pushing the limits, you should have no safety issues.
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#6205227 - 02/21/12 10:52 PM Re: Rainier Hollow Points won't feed in my 1911 [Re: Waders]
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Originally Posted By: Waders
Maybe you'd like me to shoot my Sig .380 instead of my .45! smile


That'd work too! I MIGHT have a prayer then. smile
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#6205273 - 02/22/12 12:03 AM Re: Rainier Hollow Points won't feed in my 1911 [Re: safariman]
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It my understanding that its Mark that should be using a Single Six for next year's shoot smile smile
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#6205939 - 02/22/12 07:34 AM Re: Rainier Hollow Points won't feed in my 1911 [Re: Waders]
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Originally Posted By: Waders
Maybe you'd like me to shoot my Sig .380 instead of my .45! smile


If that is the smallest you have then it would be OK with me. grin
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#6205950 - 02/22/12 07:37 AM Re: Rainier Hollow Points won't feed in my 1911 [Re: avagadro]
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Originally Posted By: avagadro
It my understanding that its Mark that should be using a Single Six for next year's shoot smile smile


Mark knows what he is doing with a 45. He cleaned my clock and did it with style. Looking back perhaps it would not have been the best time to show off my trick shooting skills by hanging the tops of five pins off the back of the table with five shots. crazy
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#6205959 - 02/22/12 07:40 AM Re: Rainier Hollow Points won't feed in my 1911 [Re: wildhobbybobby]
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Originally Posted By: wildhobbybobby
I would seat a few of them deeper, so that the entire bearing surface is inside the case and the ogive starts at the case mouth. Assuming you have used a taper crimp, you should be able to seat loaded rounds deeper and recrimp. As long as you are not already pushing the limits, you should have no safety issues.


That is exactly how I load my 230 cast truncated cone.

Wade, you can seat the loaded ones deeper then rerun the Lee factory crimp die. Try a handful and see if it does not fix the problem.
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#6205963 - 02/22/12 07:41 AM Re: Rainier Hollow Points won't feed in my 1911 [Re: Waders]
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Originally Posted By: Waders
Fellas,

I could use some help:

I recently bought some Rainier Plated HPs and loaded them up. I have tried two different COL's (1.215" and 1.200") and have gotten the same problem: The first round out of the magazine won't feed. It goes forward until it jams against the top of the feed ramp at the base of the chamber.

Everything else has fed just slick--factory ammo of all kinds, Berry's plated, cast lead flat points, cast lead round nose, and SWC. Bullet weights from 185 gr to 230 gr all feed fine. The only problem I've had is with the Rainier 230gr Hex HP as stated above.

I've tried with several proven magazines. The mags and the gun are clean. My other pet load (230gr cast lead TCBB from Penn at 1.215") still feed/function fine.

I made a couple dummy rounds just to see if a different OAL would make a difference. Longer rounds didn't change anything. Shortening up to 1.185" to 1.190" made things a lot better. They go into battery, but not by a lot.

So...a couple questions:

1. Can I take loaded ammo and seat the bullet deeper and then re-crimp or am I going to blow myself up?

2. Any other ideas regarding this bullet to feed?


Thanks all!
Clean it and make sure it's got enough lube. Check your magazines. Check the feed ramp. The latter is probably the culprit in which case getting and old school feed ramp job is probably in order.

As to the first question, the safest route would be to pull the bullets and do it over.
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