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#6204993 - 02/22/12 Rainier Hollow Points won't feed in my 1911
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Fellas,

I could use some help:

I recently bought some Rainier Plated HPs and loaded them up. I have tried two different COL's (1.215" and 1.200") and have gotten the same problem: The first round out of the magazine won't feed. It goes forward until it jams against the top of the feed ramp at the base of the chamber.

Everything else has fed just slick--factory ammo of all kinds, Berry's plated, cast lead flat points, cast lead round nose, and SWC. Bullet weights from 185 gr to 230 gr all feed fine. The only problem I've had is with the Rainier 230gr Hex HP as stated above.

I've tried with several proven magazines. The mags and the gun are clean. My other pet load (230gr cast lead TCBB from Penn at 1.215") still feed/function fine.

I made a couple dummy rounds just to see if a different OAL would make a difference. Longer rounds didn't change anything. Shortening up to 1.185" to 1.190" made things a lot better. They go into battery, but not by a lot.

So...a couple questions:

1. Can I take loaded ammo and seat the bullet deeper and then re-crimp or am I going to blow myself up?

2. Any other ideas regarding this bullet to feed?


Thanks all!
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#6205090 - 02/22/12 Re: Rainier Hollow Points won't feed in my 1911 [Re: Waders]
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Here is an idea for you, use that stuff as is at the 24hrcf Bowling pin shoot! smile
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#6205113 - 02/22/12 Re: Rainier Hollow Points won't feed in my 1911 [Re: safariman]
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Maybe you'd like me to shoot my Sig .380 instead of my .45! smile
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#6205173 - 02/22/12 Re: Rainier Hollow Points won't feed in my 1911 [Re: Waders]
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I would seat a few of them deeper, so that the entire bearing surface is inside the case and the ogive starts at the case mouth. Assuming you have used a taper crimp, you should be able to seat loaded rounds deeper and recrimp. As long as you are not already pushing the limits, you should have no safety issues.
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#6205227 - 02/22/12 Re: Rainier Hollow Points won't feed in my 1911 [Re: Waders]
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Originally Posted By: Waders
Maybe you'd like me to shoot my Sig .380 instead of my .45! smile


That'd work too! I MIGHT have a prayer then. smile
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#6205273 - 02/22/12 Re: Rainier Hollow Points won't feed in my 1911 [Re: safariman]
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It my understanding that its Mark that should be using a Single Six for next year's shoot smile smile
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#6205939 - 02/22/12 Re: Rainier Hollow Points won't feed in my 1911 [Re: Waders]
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Originally Posted By: Waders
Maybe you'd like me to shoot my Sig .380 instead of my .45! smile


If that is the smallest you have then it would be OK with me. grin
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#6205950 - 02/22/12 Re: Rainier Hollow Points won't feed in my 1911 [Re: avagadro]
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Originally Posted By: avagadro
It my understanding that its Mark that should be using a Single Six for next year's shoot smile smile


Mark knows what he is doing with a 45. He cleaned my clock and did it with style. Looking back perhaps it would not have been the best time to show off my trick shooting skills by hanging the tops of five pins off the back of the table with five shots. crazy
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#6205959 - 02/22/12 Re: Rainier Hollow Points won't feed in my 1911 [Re: wildhobbybobby]
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Originally Posted By: wildhobbybobby
I would seat a few of them deeper, so that the entire bearing surface is inside the case and the ogive starts at the case mouth. Assuming you have used a taper crimp, you should be able to seat loaded rounds deeper and recrimp. As long as you are not already pushing the limits, you should have no safety issues.


That is exactly how I load my 230 cast truncated cone.

Wade, you can seat the loaded ones deeper then rerun the Lee factory crimp die. Try a handful and see if it does not fix the problem.
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#6205963 - 02/22/12 Re: Rainier Hollow Points won't feed in my 1911 [Re: Waders]
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Originally Posted By: Waders
Fellas,

I could use some help:

I recently bought some Rainier Plated HPs and loaded them up. I have tried two different COL's (1.215" and 1.200") and have gotten the same problem: The first round out of the magazine won't feed. It goes forward until it jams against the top of the feed ramp at the base of the chamber.

Everything else has fed just slick--factory ammo of all kinds, Berry's plated, cast lead flat points, cast lead round nose, and SWC. Bullet weights from 185 gr to 230 gr all feed fine. The only problem I've had is with the Rainier 230gr Hex HP as stated above.

I've tried with several proven magazines. The mags and the gun are clean. My other pet load (230gr cast lead TCBB from Penn at 1.215") still feed/function fine.

I made a couple dummy rounds just to see if a different OAL would make a difference. Longer rounds didn't change anything. Shortening up to 1.185" to 1.190" made things a lot better. They go into battery, but not by a lot.

So...a couple questions:

1. Can I take loaded ammo and seat the bullet deeper and then re-crimp or am I going to blow myself up?

2. Any other ideas regarding this bullet to feed?


Thanks all!
Clean it and make sure it's got enough lube. Check your magazines. Check the feed ramp. The latter is probably the culprit in which case getting and old school feed ramp job is probably in order.

As to the first question, the safest route would be to pull the bullets and do it over.
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#6206526 - 02/22/12 Re: Rainier Hollow Points won't feed in my 1911 [Re: EthanEdwards]
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Originally Posted By: ColeYounger
[/quote]Clean it and make sure it's got enough lube. Check your magazines. Check the feed ramp. The latter is probably the culprit in which case getting and old school feed ramp job is probably in order.


I've used the Ranier plated hollowpoints in 9mm in my K9 with no problems whatsoever - but never tried them in .45acp.

If it were my gun and adjusting the load length didn't work, I would be happy that it runs with other hollowpoints and with SWC, and sell/give the remainder of the Rainier fodder to someone who can use them. It ain't worth fussing with the gun over. Really - why do you want to spend extra money on the plated HP's vs cast SWC?
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#6208540 - 02/23/12 Re: Rainier Hollow Points won't feed in my 1911 [Re: FreeMe]
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I sent Rainier an email, asking for some help.

A guy responded and said that they've had some real trouble getting that particular bullet to feed in Kimbers. (I sure appreciate his candor--that's refreshing!) He suggested an OAL of 1.190" and if that doesn't work to telephone him and he'd try to help me figure it out.

So, it looks like I was on the right track. I'm going to try some live rounds at 1.190" and see how it goes. Props (so far) to Rainier for their customer service!

...And I am off to shoot pins with that gun tonight at 7:00pm. I managed to squeak out a win last week. It's been a long time since anybody in the club has won two weeks in a row. I'm hoping for the best though...
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#6208729 - 02/23/12 Re: Rainier Hollow Points won't feed in my 1911 [Re: Waders]
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What magazine are you using?

If it's the stock Kimber, there are lots that are better, especially in a short gun.......you have a Pro, right?

MM

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#6208815 - 02/23/12 Re: Rainier Hollow Points won't feed in my 1911 [Re: Waders]
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Originally Posted By: Waders
Fellas,

I could use some help:

I recently bought some Rainier Plated HPs and loaded them up. I have tried two different COL's (1.215" and 1.200") and have gotten the same problem: The first round out of the magazine won't feed. It goes forward until it jams against the top of the feed ramp at the base of the chamber.

Everything else has fed just slick--factory ammo of all kinds, Berry's plated, cast lead flat points, cast lead round nose, and SWC. Bullet weights from 185 gr to 230 gr all feed fine. The only problem I've had is with the Rainier 230gr Hex HP as stated above.

I've tried with several proven magazines. The mags and the gun are clean. My other pet load (230gr cast lead TCBB from Penn at 1.215") still feed/function fine.

I made a couple dummy rounds just to see if a different OAL would make a difference. Longer rounds didn't change anything. Shortening up to 1.185" to 1.190" made things a lot better. They go into battery, but not by a lot.

So...a couple questions:

1. Can I take loaded ammo and seat the bullet deeper and then re-crimp or am I going to blow myself up?

2. Any other ideas regarding this bullet to feed?


Thanks all!


Use another bullet.
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#6209494 - 02/23/12 Re: Rainier Hollow Points won't feed in my 1911 [Re: VAnimrod]
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Originally Posted By: VAnimrod


Use another bullet.


Except I've got 1000 of them.
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#6209500 - 02/23/12 Re: Rainier Hollow Points won't feed in my 1911 [Re: MontanaMan]
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Originally Posted By: MontanaMan
What magazine are you using?

If it's the stock Kimber, there are lots that are better, especially in a short gun.......you have a Pro, right?

MM


I used 2 different style Kimber mags, a Tripp Research and a Wilson Combat. All are proven mags with other loads.
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#6209878 - 02/23/12 Re: Rainier Hollow Points won't feed in my 1911 [Re: Waders]
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Yeah, if the Wilson's & Tripp's won't feed than it's another issue.

If the COL doesn't do the job, then I really wouldn't waste more time on it.

MM

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#6210384 - 02/23/12 Re: Rainier Hollow Points won't feed in my 1911 [Re: MontanaMan]
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Actually, in my Kimber, the most reliable mags have been "KimPro Tac-Mags," Kimber's own aftermarket magazines. Wilson Combat have been the least reliable (probably two jams). For EDC, I use the Kimber mags.
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#6210493 - 02/23/12 Re: Rainier Hollow Points won't feed in my 1911 [Re: Waders]
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Waders, connecting the dots from your other thread - did you get the recoil spring squared away?

Using one of your dummy rounds, does the slide snap into battery if you tap the muzzle with a piece of wood?
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#6210544 - 02/23/12 Re: Rainier Hollow Points won't feed in my 1911 [Re: JOG]
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What type of 1911 do you have????
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#6210759 - 02/23/12 Re: Rainier Hollow Points won't feed in my 1911 [Re: Boococky]
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Boococky: Kimber Pro Crimson Carry II.

JOG: I am going to switch springs and shorten the OAL. I'm thinking I'll be in good shape.
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#6211623 - 02/23/12 Re: Rainier Hollow Points won't feed in my 1911 [Re: Waders]
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Originally Posted By: Waders
Boococky: Kimber Pro Crimson Carry II.

JOG: I am going to switch springs and shorten the OAL. I'm thinking I'll be in good shape.



Very nice gun.....I have seen some issues from time to time with certain hollow points jamming like yours seem to be. It was only in certain 1911s and yours is not one of them....hope you figure it out! smile
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#6211659 - 02/23/12 Re: Rainier Hollow Points won't feed in my 1911 [Re: Boococky]
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Ok, if no one else will say it.....


Trade it for Glock.
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#6213490 - 02/24/12 Re: Rainier Hollow Points won't feed in my 1911 [Re: ColsPaul]
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